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- November 27, 2023 at 12:24 pm in reply to: Hey look we have a fan club! AKA David Gottorff is a douche. #879602
So, David Gottorff is still a douche. It’s perfect that Gottorf, like Cliven Bundy, identifies as a “sovereign citizen.” The judge said, “He’s claimed himself to be sovereign, he has no respect for the judicial system.”
Here is the full text, should ever the link die and splitboard.com lives on, the stubborn cyber fossil that it is.
Man gets 8 years for cop threats
By Erin McIntyre email@example.com, on September 20, 2023
Fearing for safety, victims seek max sentence; DA calls Gottorff ‘scourge’ on community
A judge sentenced a Ridgway man to eight years in prison after a jury convicted him of attempting to influence police with threats and following and harassing law enforcement.
David Gottorff, 47, remained blankfaced when District Judge Cory Jackson handed down the sentence Sept. 14.
In sentencing Gottorff to prison, Jackson said he was concerned about the convicted felon’s behavior, his continued belief that he is the victim, and the community’s safety.
A pre-sentence report prepared for the court by Probation Officer Terry McCoige recommended three years of supervised probation for Gottorff. But District Attorney Seth Ryan argued the crimes were too serious, and Gottorff already had a chance to complete probation in another case and refused to do so, which resulted in a jail sentence.
Calling Gottorff a “scourge on the community,” Ryan said he needs to be put away to give relief to those who have been targeted by his behavior for years.
“We believe the evidence shows the defendant is relentless in his pursuit of revenge against the victims he believed has wronged him,” Ryan told the judge. “He is either unwilling or unable to stop his behavior. There is a serious danger not only that his behavior not only will continue, but will escalate.”
Jackson said probation would “unduly depreciate the seriousness of the offenses” in this case. He also said he didn’t think Gottorff had accepted the gravity of his actions.
The judge also said he was concerned that Gottorff sent a complaint to him from the jail the day before the sentencing hearing, demanding the arrest of the district attorney.
Marked “this request is an emergency,” the message claimed Ryan committed official oppression, misconduct and aided and abetted jury tampering in a trial in which Gottorff was acquitted of stalking and criminal mischief charges in a case involving his neighbors last October.
The prison sentence came at the end of a two-hour hearing, in which the judge considered arguments from Gottorff’s attorney and the district attorney, as well as testimony from those involved in the case and from the community.
During the hearing, Ryan presented evidence of Gottorff’s demeanor in the form of emails, messages and calls from the Montrose County Jail. He has been an inmate there since his July conviction, as the judge ruled he would be taken into custody immediately after the verdict due to public safety concerns.
He is also serving a 90-day sentence for a probation violation in a previous misdemeanor case and a 30-day sentence for contempt in a civil case.
These communications from Gottorff at the jail, relayed by Ouray County Undersheriff Tammy Stroup, showed Gottorff saying he wanted to be in witness protection, that he wanted to contact the CBI and FBI and he wanted the Department of Justice to place him in protective custody. He also claimed the district attorney and local law enforcement have covered up evidence and demanded their arrest. In some communications, he demanded officers be arrested prior to his sentencing so there would be a mistrial.
Stroup also testified she feared for the community and asked the judge for the maximum sentence of 18 years. She said she thinks Gottorff needs “severe mental health help.”
She characterized him as a manipulative narcissist who isn’t remorseful and won’t accept responsibility for his actions.
“He’s claimed himself to be sovereign, he has no respect for the judicial system,” she said.
“This is the first time in my career I’ve been truly fearful for the community and everyone involved,” she said.
Prosecutors alleged during the trial that between early October 2022 and the end of January 2023, Gottorff posted a series of messages on social media and made phone calls threatening several law enforcement officers. Specifically, Gottorff targeted Ridgway Marshal Shane Schmalz, Ouray County sheriff’s investigator Bernie Chism and sheriff’s administrative officer Shelly Kuhlman. In one call, prosecutors said, Gottorff threatened to kill Kuhlman.
In some online posts, Gottorff claimed he had the legal authority to “take human life” while performing a “citizen’s arrest” of Schmalz. He also posted photos of himself posing with an AR-15, stating, “consider the bear poked … provoked and defending his den and territory.” In another post, Gottorff claimed if an officer contacted him it would be the “end of watch,” a term used to mark the date a police officer is killed in the line of duty. He also posted demands of Chism, claiming he owed him seven days in jail, money, loss of employment and compensation for emotional distress.
“This is your notice of collection … how would you like to pay? Failure to pay your debts in full will result in the collection of this debt by any means necessary without further notice,” Gottorff posted. This led prosecutors to charge Gottorff with attempting to influence a public servant.
Schmalz testified during the trial Gottorff followed him on one occasion, and that, coupled with Gottorff’s social media posts, left him fearful Gottorff would ambush him.
“I feel that he is a great safety risk to the community, to his victims, and that he would stop at nothing,” Schmalz told the judge at the hearing.
During the sentencing hearing, Stroup also cited concerns about escalating behavior, with Gottorff targeting individuals. She said her training on active shooters has shown her this kind of behavior is concerning.
“They’ll name their subjects, they’ll name their crimes and they’ll name themselves,” she said, adding she noticed Gottorff taking “substantial steps” toward more damaging actions.
Others asked the court for leniency.
Gottorff’s sister, Susan Ransower, testified that her brother stands up for injustice and isn’t violent.
She said concerns that he exhibited behaviors akin to a mass shooter were “absolutely ridiculous,” and asked for mental health treatment to help him “walk away” and “not stand up so strongly.”
However, Stroup testified earlier in the hearing she previously spoke with Ransower about her brother and “she told me that he was dangerous, that she was afraid of him, that she was afraid to testify against him in matters that she knew of because she was afraid of retaliation.”
Gottorff’s father, Kenneth, also testified and said “he hasn’t shown that in the past, that he would actually do anything,” and said his son had relinquished firearms to him last year.
Though those firearms – an AR-15 and a handgun – were transferred to Kenneth, he said they’re still in Gottorff’s garage at his Ridgway home.
His father also touted Gottorff’s community service, and his environmental advocacy in the Lake Irwin Coalition.
In June, Seventh Judicial District Chief District Court Judge Steven Patrick ruled Gottorff owes more than $104,000 in court costs and attorney’s fees stemming from a case at his home at Lake Irwin. Gunnison County won a civil suit against Gottorff for failing to install a septic system at his cabin and dumping raw sewage from a pipe into the forest, a situation that persisted for at least six years.
Gottorff has been involved in more than 50 civil cases, including one in which he was ordered to stop targeting and harassing Colorado Boy Brewery and its owners, and numerous protection orders requiring him to stay away from others. Much of the conflict stems from an incident in 2019 in which Gottorff was banned from Colorado Boy after an altercation with his former boss, Andy Michelich. He was convicted of a misdemeanor in that case.
Gottorff’s attorney, Nick Kreider, argued he has been treated as an outcast in the community, was portrayed as an “unrepentant monster” and deserved probation with “social media literacy” education and other community-based options.
At the end of the sentencing hearing, Gottorff spent 20 minutes addressing the court. While he started by saying he took responsibility for his actions, his speech quickly turned to accuse others of targeting him and how he was victimized.
“I’ve been made to feel unsafe in my community not only by law enforcement. I don’t feel safe in my home because of the conduct of my neighbors which has been aided and abetted by law enforcement,” he said.
He said he’s the one being harassed and justified his posts on social media as efforts to make others aware of injustices and stand up for himself.
“I made some Instagram posts that tried to expose what was going on,” he told the judge.
“I want to go on being the decent human being that I’ve been for the past 48 years,” he said.
He asked the judge not to lock him away with “people who have serious drug problems and mental health issues.”
“I’m a good, decent person. I have been my entire life and I’d like a little bit of recognition for that,” he said. “I just want, as so many other people in this room do, justice.”
The prison sentence is on top of other sentences he’s received recently in other cases.
In August, County Judge Sean Murphy found Gottorff in contempt of court for more than 300 social media posts and stickers, which Gottorff has claimed are protected free speech. Murphy previously ruled in 2021 that Gottorff hadn’t complied with court orders to take down more than 100 stickers and social media posts targeting Colorado Boy and issued a $2,500 fine.
The order last month included a $10,000 fine and a 30-day jail sentence. Murphy also ordered Gottorff to take down social media pages and posts targeting the brewpub, destroy the stickers he still has, retrieve all the stickers he placed anywhere else and provide evidence he did so to the court. He also ordered Gottorff to pay court costs and attorney’s fees for Colorado Boy and said there would be a $50 per day fine if he did not comply with the order to take down the posts, pages and stickers.
Gottorff remained in custody at the Montrose County Jail on Wednesday, awaiting transport for processing in Denver with the Colorado Department of Corrections. He will be placed at one of the state’s prisons located across Colorado.
His estimated parole eligibility date is in May 2027, according to the Colorado Department of Corrections.
The Key boot looks sweet. I’d be stoked to read a real review.
Maybe, as in the olden days, this will compel a soft boot binding industry douche to weigh in and, without disclosing the conflict that he works for a soft boot binding company, he can douche rag on AT boots and split tech generally.
Nice to see your hard bottom, soft top idea come to fruition, Scooby. It looks elegant and functional.March 3, 2021 at 7:22 am in reply to: Hey look we have a fan club! AKA David Gottorff is a douche. #863129
Oh yes, this is rich–a blizzard of restraining orders. This thread deserves both articles be pasted in full.
Judge bans man from contact with others
By Erin McIntyre on Wednesday, March 11, 2020
Rejected mayoral hopeful accused of vandalism, stalking
A judge granted a permanent restraining order barring a rejected mayoral candidate from interacting with his former boss and the Colorado Boy Brewpub in Ridgway.
During a 5 1/2-hour hearing featuring testimony about alleged vandalism with dog feces and distributing stickers disparaging the brewery, the court heard from witnesses who all said they feared David Gottorff and his recent practices of surveilling brewery customers and reporting them for suspected drunken driving to 911. Stating they felt his behavior was “unpredictable” and “odd,” they told the court they had become nervous, anxious and felt like they always needed to look over their shoulders as long as Gottorff might show up.
Judge Kurt A. Beckenhauer ruled Gottorff must avoid contact with Colorado Boy and its owners, as well as his former boss, Andy Michelich, whom Gottorff is accused of harassing in a related criminal case. Gottorff was arrested after an argument he had with Michelich at Colorado Boy last fall, according to court records. The argument stemmed from Michelich telling Gottorff he could no longer drive certain routes for him at Western Slope Rides, because a parent expressed concerns about Gottorff driving her children after she said he harassed her for not hiring him at a Ouray guide business.
Gottorff was arrested for alleged harassment of Michelich after the confrontation at Colorado Boy, after he refused to accept a summons from the marshal, according to court records. He’s scheduled for a jury trial in that case in May.
The latest complaints involve allegations that Gottorff retaliated against Colorado Boy, its patrons and employees after he was banned from returning to the brewery after the Oct. 16 incident with Michelich.
Attorney Roger Sagal, representing Colorado Boy and Michelich, argued Gottorff has a pattern of behavior where he retaliates against others and harasses them.
“He has an inability of self control and to stop himself from harassing and stalking behavior,” Sagal told the court. Sagal previously represented RIGS Fly Shop and Guide Service in a civil case Gottorff filed and lost after he was fired from working there in 2018.
After he was “86’ed” from the brewery, Colorado Boy owner Daniel Richards said stickers with a modified logo from Colorado Boy started appearing around Ouray, Ridgway and Montrose.
The logo looks similar to the brewery’s official logo but was changed to show a miner sitting on a toilet, with the words “sh***y pizza and beer” on the circular border.
Richards said Gottorff also started disparaging the business online and in beer enthusiast forums on social media, and posted a photo of the sticker and an altered photo of his brother, Dennis, in front of the sign for the Ouray location.
Sagal presented a video of Gottorff walking down the street in Ouray on Jan. 27, obtained from the Ouray Liquors security camera, which showed him walking two dogs and pausing to turn around and touch a metal trash bin. It’s not clear in the video what is left on the trash can, but Richards testified one of the stickers was found and removed from the can later. Sagal presented the court with a bag of stickers removed from several locations as evidence.
In an extended bout of back-and-forth questioning between Sagal and Gottorff, Sagal asked him if he made the disparaging sticker or had placed it around town. Gottorff said he didn’t make the stickers.
“You didn’t put the stickers around town?” Sagal asked at one point.
“I put stickers on things I own in Ridgway,” Gottorff replied.
When asked who made the stickers, Gottorff replied, “I’m going to exercise my Fifth Amendment right,” and refused to answer the question.
The judge said the Fifth Amendment didn’t apply in this case, as he wasn’t being asked to incriminate himself.
Asked again who made the stickers, Gottorff then said, “Why should I know?”
Asked where he got the stickers, he said he got them at Colorado Boy, seeming to be referring to the original stickers with the unaltered logo.
Asked again if he placed the modified stickers around town, Gottorff paused for several seconds and replied, “I have taken a sticker and placed it on something I own. I live in Ridgway.”
In another incident, Richards and Colorado Boy brewer Elliott Bell testified they believed Gottorff placed dog feces on the Colorado Boy company truck, which was parked in the Kate’s Place parking lot across from the brewery on Feb. 6, the day Gottorff was arraigned in the criminal case involving Michelich.
Both testified they had attended that hearing, and brought food back from the Ouray Colorado Boy restaurant to the Ridgway location. Bell returned to the truck after a short period of time and found two clumps of dog poop stuck on the back of the vehicle.
Sagal showed a video from a security camera showing Gottorff walking his dogs past the Colorado Boy just before Bell noticed the feces on the truck.
Two days later, Bell said he and his girlfriend, Lexi Trachy, said Gottorff followed them after they came out of the brewery and was recording them with his cellphone. Gottorff said he was recording them because Trachy almost ran over him as he was walking on the sidewalk. Trachy took a photo of Gottorff standing in front of her vehicle, photographing her license plate, which she had posted on social media as a warning to others after she discovered he had announced his candidacy for mayor.
Bell and Trachy both said they worry about what Gottorff might do next and they find his behavior unpredictable and odd.
“Ever since the the incident when we 86’ed him, it seems his behavior has ramped up,” Bell told the court.
Colorado Boy regular Josh White testified that Gottorff recorded him on his phone when he was enjoying a beer outside.
“He was sitting there staring at me the whole time,” said White, who used the word “creepy” more than once to describe the incident.
After finishing his beer, White said hi to Gottorff on his way to his truck. Gottorff allegedly replied, “Good luck driving.”
Ridgway Marshal Shane Schmalz testified that Gottorff had called in three DUI reports and had taken photos of patrons at Colorado Boy, including Trachy. None of those reports resulted in arrests. Schmalz also testified Gottorff had not called in reports of DUIs related to other businesses that serve alcohol.
Schmalz testified he knows Gottorff has filed at least four complaints against him personally. That’s in addition to a complaint Gottorff filed last year against a deputy who handled harassment complaints from Michelich about Gottorff.
Gottorff also protested the town’s decision to disqualify him from running for mayor based on his residency. Though he vowed to fight that decision, Gottorff’s mayoral campaign page was removed from social media this week. He did not respond to an email asking if he still considers himself a candidate.
Gottorff had filed his own requests for restraining orders with the court, claiming former Colorado Boy owner Tom Hennessy and Michelich had been harassing him. Neither of those was granted.
Gottorff took the stand to testify in the case involving his claims against Michelich on Monday. He told the court his former employer had tailgated him, recorded him with a cellphone and flipped him off on occasions. He also claimed Michelich was driving past his house and had harassed him.
Michelich said none of those claims was true and the opposite was happening – that Gottorff had started hanging out on a park bench on the corner near his business (which is also near Colorado Boy) staring in an intimidating way.
Gottorf was represented by Telluride attorney Jacqueline Distefano, who argued there were no eyewitnesses to the dog feces incident or the sticker incident in Ouray. She also said none of the witnesses testified Gottorff had threatened them physically.
“It’s necessary to make that restraining order permanent so this conduct can finally stop,” Sagal said. “Mr. Gottorff sort of has this tit-for-tat mentality.” He urged the judge to send a message with a permanent restraining order, adding, “I’m concerned, frankly, for the community at-large.”
The judge said he didn’t believe Gottorff’s testimony about the stickers, about the incident involving Bell and Trachy and also the incident where he claimed Michelich followed him, flipped him off and recorded him.
“I think Mr. Gottorff was not credible,” Beckenhauer said, adding the evidence showed the stickers started showing up after Gottorff was banned from Colorado Boy. He also cited concerns about the brewery losing customers and said Gottorff’s behavior had caused emotional distress for those involved.
“All these behaviors seem to come after someone has upset Mr. Gottorff and I think they’re designed to cause the emotional distress that they have caused,” Beckenhauer said.
Editor’s note: Gottorff received another restraining order related to a separate incident in May at a Ridgway liquor store. Click here to read that story.
Ridgway man banned from contact again
By Erin McIntyre on Wednesday, July 8, 2020
Judge grants third permanent restraining order
A man who tried to run for mayor in Ridgway has been banned from contact with a woman who accused him of accosting her at a liquor store in May and continuing to harass her online and by impersonating her.
County Court Judge Kurt Beckenhauer granted a permanent restraining order prohibiting David Gottorff from any contact with Shannon Marjenhoff, after a five-hour hearing Monday in Ouray County Court.
Marjenhoff testified she was afraid of Gottorff and feared retaliation from him after an incident at San Juan Liquors on May 22, which began after she said hello to him without realizing who he was, since he was wearing a mask.
According to testimony from a liquor store employee, Christian Thomsen, Gottorff then yelled at Marjenhoff and was “acting aggressive toward her” in the parking lot when they encountered each other. Thomsen said he heard Gottorff yelling at her about something posted on the Internet, approached Marjenhoff and started recording her with his phone.
Thomsen unlocked the liquor store door, inviting Marjenhoff inside and locking the door behind her before asking her if she wanted to call police.
The Ridgway Marshal’s Office responded, but there was no citation issued. Gottorff eventually left the scene and came back later for his vehicle. Gottorff also called police and reported he was the one being harassed.
Gottorff, who represented himself in court, asked Thomsen if he saw him make physical contact with her or assault her.
“Nope, only verbally,” Thomsen said.
“OK, I didn’t ask about that,” Gottorff said.
Marjenhoff said she’d never met Gottorff in person but recognized him from his postings online, particularly his campaign Facebook page when he ran for mayor. She also told the court she posted comments about Gottorff online to make the public aware he was running for office, and of his reputation in other communities where he lived previously.
Two days after the incident at the liquor store, Marjenhoff started receiving phone calls from moving companies across the U.S. with quotes for her to move to Louisiana. These included a “crazy inventory list” of 10 grandfather clocks and other odd items, she said. She estimated she received about 100 phone calls from companies responding to an inquiry using an old email address and her phone number, which she didn’t submit. One moving company representative from Florida told her, “Someone must be very mad at you,” she told the court. She said this started on the same day she began to be harassed online.
In a May 24 Ridgway Independent News post, Gottorff called Marjenhoff a “failed artist” and a “serial predator,” and also posted Marjenhoff’s home address.
When asked about postings on the Ridgway Independent News former Facebook account and Twitter account, Gottorff initially said he was a staff writer, and declined to name anyone else associated with the entity.
“Who else is associated with Ridgway Independent News other than just you?” asked attorney Roger Sagal, who was representing Marjenhoff.
“Maybe just me,” Gottorff responded.
Sagal asked again who else is associated, and Gottorff said, “No one.”
“It’s your webpage,” Sagal later stated.
“Sure,” Gottorff said, and confirmed he alone created the social media pages associated with the entity.
When asked where he got the information about Marjenhoff, Gottorff said Sue Williamson provided it to him in February. Williamson is a cosmetologist who lives in the area.
“She provided me with a lot of things,” he said, including emails, recordings and posts from social media.
Williamson testified she contacted Gottorff months ago, after seeing comments Marjenhoff made online which she considered bullying and slander.
Williamson, who calls herself a “guerrilla journalist,” told the court she regularly provides information to Gottorff and has a habit of recording conversations she has with others. Because Colorado is a single-party consent state, this is legal. She told the court she has “hundreds of hours” of recordings and has recorded people without their knowledge “many” times.
“She has provided me with recordings of individuals,” Gottorff told the court.
Gottorff initially said he wanted to testify. But after the judge explained he would have to be under oath and be subject to cross examination, he said he would rather proceed to closing arguments. Gottorff alleged Marjenhoff has a long history of defamation and libel and that she committed perjury on the form requesting the restraining order, checking a box stating there was a physical assault, which didn’t happen.
Sagal asked Beckenhauer to grant the permanent restraining order not only to protect Marjenhoff, but to send a message to Gottorff that his behavior needs to stop.
“This is getting to be a very dangerous pattern of behavior, and we’re seeing the exact same things play out in this case as we did in the Colorado Boy case and we did in the Western Slope Rides case,” said Sagal. “If he isn’t restrained, he will continue to do these things.”
Beckenhauer agreed with Sagal and granted the permanent order, stating if he didn’t restrain him from contact with Marjenhoff, “Mr. Gottorff is likely to engage in similar acts.”
This is the third permanent restraining order granted against Gottorff this year – he’s also been banned from contact with his former employer, Andy Michelich of Western Slope Rides, as well as Colorado Boy locations and employees. The court granted those permanent restraining orders after hearing evidence Gottorff retaliated against Michelich and the brewpub. Gottorff also has a pending criminal harassment case involving an altercation with Michelich at Colorado Boy in Ridgway in November.
On Monday morning, Gottorff had another hearing regarding the pending harassment case, which was scheduled for jury trial this month. However, an order issued on June is postponed most jury trials due to COVID-19, and has granted few waivers for jury trials to be held while restrictions are in place.
Gottorff asked Beckenhauer for a trial in August and said he didn’t want to waive his rights to a speedy trial. He also said if the trial couldn’t be held in August, he wanted the case dismissed.
However, the judge denied that request, citing a pending complaint Gottorff filed in district court to protest the court’s decision to not provide him an attorney. Instead, he stayed the proceedings and vacated the trial for now. Beckenhauer said procedural rules made it impossible for him to move forward with setting a trial date with Gottorff’s complaint pending.
“What you’re putting forth are two things that are mutually exclusive,” Beckenhauer said, adding he couldn’t set a trial date if Gottorff extended the proceedings by filing the complaint about not having a court-appointed attorney.
Upon hearing that his pending complaint prevented the court from granting a speedy trial, Gottorff repeatedly interrupted the judge with pleas that he would withdraw his complaint that day.
“I will submit it right now before the hearing is over,” he said, interrupting the judge several times.
“Mr. Gottorff, I am directing you to stop talking and listen to me,” Beckenhauer said. “You continue to assert two things that cannot happen at the same time.”
Gottorff previously told the court he might withdraw the complaint at a June 25 hearing, but had not done so at the time of the hearing on Monday. Gottorff argued the court and the public defender’s office gave him no notice of the conflict.
“Mr. Gottorff, it’s not accurate to say the court gave you no notice,” Beckenhauer said. Regarding his promise to withdraw the complaint, he said, “I’m not confident that you would follow through on that.”
At this time, proceedings are stalled until a decision is made on Gottorff’s interlocutory appeal regarding representation. After the district court issues a decision, the courts have go days to hold his trial.
Gottorff previously applied to have a public defender represent him, after he hired another attorney from Telluride to represent him in a counterclaim against Colorado Boy and Michelich when they sought the restraining orders. But he later said he didn’t want an attorney from the public defender’s office and instead wanted the courts to appoint an alternate attorney to represent him. Defense attorneys from outside the public defender’s office are usually appointed only if there’s a conflict of interest for a public defender.
The courts found he didn’t meet the financial qualifications to have an attorney appointed, something he protests.
“I do not want to be represented by the public defender’s office, but I do believe that I’m indigent,” Gottorff said on Monday. He added he didn’t believe the public defender’s office “dutifully represented” him.
Finally someone has released a hardboot specific boot.
What are everyones thoughts? Except BGNight, because he hates all things hardbooting.
So sweet – I think this boot marks an important point in the evolution of splitboarding equipment.
It looks fantastic–light, minimalist and engineered for the flex requirements of snowboarding. I too have been on Phantom for several years now, and because their culture of quality is second to none, I expect any product that they release to be very well sorted.
And yeah, this will make BGnight very colicky, and not just because (unless I’m mistaken) he works for a soft-boot binding company.
Thanks for posting @raphael.
And, wow – that’s a big, clean break. I too wonder how many other boots have broken like that.
I used to be able to figure it out, then tried last week and failed.
2020 update: Addition of Phantom Link Levers: http://splitboard.com/talk/topic/scarpa-alien-with-phantom-link-lever/
Boots are holding up nicely after several years.
See also photos and write up here: http://splitboard.com/talk/topic/scarpa-alien-with-phantom-link-lever/
I would be very interested to see a photo of the break point, recognizing that posting photos on here is a bit difficult.
I like the look of these new Voiles too. Nice and simple.
Nice and simple. I like.
I second Scooby’s advice — spot on, as usual.
I’m your same height and weight. Very few production boards fit us. I’ve been dealing with this problem ever since I filled in in my mid-20s, 20 years ago, when I went back to riding freeriding boards after years on race boards.
Going custom is good advice. Instead of trying to fit your riding to a misfit or almost fit board, you can really dial a board in with a good shaper. I’ve done that a few times and the result is remarkable — worth way more than the extra money it costs.
For context, 170s is the shortest I’ll ride. Anything shorter than that (but for some fish shapes) simply lacks the real estate in front of my front foot to support a heel turn in pow, which is disqualifying. My quiver ranges from 172 – 195 (though there’s more to it than length, of course).
A few other suggestions:
– Second the Rossi XV 174W. Stiff shovel–should prevent heel-turn shovel folding (a problem for us bigger dudes); soft tail–easier to smear, slarve and turn off piste.
– Second Donek. I worked with Sean to design a 190ish split shape. Super easy to work with, excellent result. He’s especially ace for shapes on resort snow (as opposed to breakable backcountry snow surfaces).
– Second calling and talking to Winterstick before pulling the trigger on a production shape. They know that Tom Burt wouldn’t be riding his 172 as it’s built now if he were your size or mine.
– Prior. Prior has a cultural appreciation for and sells bigger boards. They also do custom shapes. Not cheap, but high quality.
– Furberg Gen 2 / Gen 3, 172 / 170. Long SCR yields very even edge pressure and stability on steeps and at speed, also very easy to turn off piste, in bumps, in trees, etc. The Gen 2 is the most versatile board I’ve ever ridden. Both are nice and wide for big-footers. Both are as short as I can go on a non-fish shape.
– Rad Air. Lots of bigger riders seem to like Rad Airs. Some of their models, if I recall, have had waist widths at or over 27 (the approx. boot-out limit for size 12s), but most don’t. Right now I think only their 186 has a 27ish width.
– Stranda. These guys make some longer boards that are popular with bigger riders. The 177 Nallo might interest you, it’s got a not-too-guitarish 11.6 M SCR, but it’s a bit narrow if you’ve got 12s.
There are lots of boutique companies that might entertain custom work. Check out Bryan’s Big Boy Boards F-book group – a useful resource for researching and posting questions about big boards.November 16, 2019 at 4:38 pm in reply to: Nobande Sobande glacier, Karakoram range, Pakistan #843393
@earnyourturn This is incredible–the trip, and to have filmed it. Thanks for that.
A saint and a visionary for having stockpiled the Gen 1s.
Another outlier at 6’4″ and 225 lbs and a penchant for fast, larger radius turns. My resort quiver ranges from 162 to 195. My split quiver ranges from 173 – 190. Length is important, but there are many other factors that affect how a shape rides too.
As a very general rule, I won’t go below 170 or so, depending on the shape, because for the kind of riding I like to do, smaller surface area means larger chances of a board submarining at speed, especially on heel turns, which is unpleasant and dangerous.
Hey @permnation – got any non-split gen 1 173s left? I’m looking for one. Hope you’re well. I’ll let ya know if I make it up to your neck of the woods anytime soon. Good southwestern storm cycle setting up now…January 28, 2019 at 5:11 pm in reply to: New Hybrid Soft/Hard Boot [Deeluxe Ground Control] #827228
Yeah, looks sweet for railing groomers. But for splitting, what snurfer said plus it probably needs a diet.