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- November 15, 2023 at 9:43 am in reply to: Hey look we have a fan club! AKA David Gottorff is a douche. #879595
https://www.ouraynews.com/2023/09/20/man-gets-8-years-for-cop-threats/ 8 years. Dude went off the deep end. He for a short period of time was on the board of our local non profit avalanche program. The director removed him quickly.
Rocker can cause issues on firm skin tracks, that is a fair statement. Camber typically performs better in those cases since more of the skin is contacting the ground. Never Summer reduces the affects of reverse camber by giving you camber behind the touring bracket which is where most skin hold occurs. I have a fully reversed cambered board and can still can get up most tracks, it just takes a bit more concentration to ensure you weight the back of your skin. One plus for reverse camber boards (and never summer rocker camber) is that when you are breaking trail it stays up on the snow better than camber in a lot of cases, so something to be said for that if you like breaking trail.
Both of those boards would be good choices and splitting hairs between each. I would say choose the profile you like to snowboard down with and go with that. Neversummer are super durable boards, so if I was choosing between those two, I’d go with the Atom. It was on my short list before I chose to go with a Cardiff Goat, which you could consider too. I haven’t rode it, but its in the same category of those two.
You have a lot of options out there for boards these days. Most are $900+, but a few companies are making “budget” boards. Weston has the Switchback at $699 and Jones Frontier is $750. The Never Summer Westbound is a bit less than the Atom too at $909. All of those 3 boards seem a bit more freestyle oriented, and you may get what you pay for on one of your first choices.
Some other companies to check out would be Cardiff, Lib Tech, Venture. Links to each are in the blog below. Also other things to consider such as profiles for skinning.
I just got my Slippers in. Couple first very initial impressions.
It looks damn clean and its pretty awesome to not have to take a dremel to a new boot. Huge props to Phantom for innovating a boot designed around splitboarding.
Fit – I wear a 9 street shoe and got a 27/27.5. This matched the size of my TLT6. The boot comes setup was 27.5, but comes with a volumizer that will convert it to a 27. I use superfeet and put that in and decided I am going to keep it without the volumizer. I have more area in the toe box than my TLTs and it feels more like a traditional snowboard boot around the toe which should be good for more control, as well as allow toes to be warmer. Also the last feels about the same or slightly wider than my TLT6s. I also don’t think I need to mold these, they do really feel like slippers.
Weight – Each boot weighs 1045g. This is with a green superfeet insole in it. This is 180g less than my modified TLT6s.
It’s also my first time playing with the link lever. That is a cool piece of engineering and the ability to adjust forward lean is pretty rad. The forward lean is so much better than my previous TLTs on the carpet. Very curious to see how this rides on snow, which I am sure will be stellar.
From the TLT6 to the Slippers, I now have 3 steps to deal with on transitions (each buckle and the link lever). It would have been sweet to see the upper buckle and link lever integrated. I personally like to tour with the upper buckles open, and the bottom closed snug enough for my feet to feel snug but still breath. On my TLT’s I typically cranked down 2 steps on the lower for the down. But transitions likely will still be faster as the boot works better with my OR trailbreaker pants. With my TLT’s I constantly had to pull the pants and powder gaiter up and down for buckle access and with these I no longer do.
Also really stoked to see Phantom send 1 spare screw for each screw that could fall out. Thats a nice little touch to add to the repair kit for worst case scenarios.
Stoked to get these on snow!
What tail clips did you switch with to get working? My recommendation would have been to try the G3 twin tip tail clips on your current skins. If there is too extreme of an angle of the tip connector, my next recommendation is to remount the tail clips. You will need to rivot those or buy something like a G3 or black diamond kit to mount tail clips.
If your skin hairs are still good I would probably not replace them unless you really have a hankering for trying something new.
This forum doesn’t work very well anymore. I can’t tell if I double posted or what. But here was my response.
Well, that is because simply put they are, but there is a whole lot more going on with them to be made for splitboarders. I think it would be a bit unreasonable for a small company of just a couple employees to build molds and create a boot from scratch, so makes sense they just improved on what they have been doing in the future. Might as well leverage a company that has been doing this for a long time.
I don’t know exactly, but from looking at pictures and comparing models to the backlands, it seems they started with an Atomic Backland Ultimate upper and lower, which is a ridiculously light boot and added their link Lever. Then they changed the location of the lower buckle to keep your heel in place, most needed on toeside turns. It also looks that they used the buckles from the sport model with some modifications, ditched the velcrow top strap for only 2 straps, which will made transitions simple and easy. They changed the liner to have a warmer one than the ultimates (made for uphill racing). And for bigger folks, they beefed up the upper cuff to the backland carbon version.
To me, it looks like they have made a durable, light model boot made specifically for splitboarding, not just strapping a sticker onto an atomic. It will be interesting to see how they work with Atomic more in the future. I think some visualization side could be cleaned up like removing the bottom hole where the buckle previously was, and getting the buckles black would be awesome.
I personally couldn’t run Intuition Pro Tour liners on my TLT6’s, they ate up my feet. I had the thinnest version I could get. I tried to mold them a few times removing hot spots, but just couldn’t get then to work I had a ton of blisters and hot spots. My feet work a lot better with the stock TLT liners, which are not as stiff, but for splitboarding work great for me.
I have heard other people swear by intuition though, supposedly they are warmer and I can tell they are a bit stiffer to give you a bit more support. But it just didn’t work for me.
I have the older BD mohair mix, which seems now like Glidelite. I would certainly recommend them. They pack very light, glide really well after about 10 tours (better than nylon out the gate), and grip just fine on almost all tracks but the steepest. The glue is also awesome. I reglued mine after about 150 days on them.d
I personally think Mohair mix is the way to go. Lighter, pack better, and glide way better.December 17, 2018 at 1:02 pm in reply to: quest for perfect midlayer: Polartec Power Stretch vs Thermal Pro #825570
I’ve been pretty happy with my Black Diamond Coefficient jacket as a mid layer. I have the one with a hood, and I like it since it has a little extra warmth. I can skin in it if its not dumping.
And matching what Snurfer said on jacket with mesh pockets. My Outdoor research jackets do just that and its stellar.
Starting off, I am a hardbooter, so I have no experience lately with any of these systems and only do from a few years ago. But I have been splitboarding for 10 years.
A ski lock mode I think is the most over rated thing out there. Once you figure out split skiing, you don’t need it. I have a way to lock down with the Phantoms and have used it twice, and never again. It just wasn’t practical, I can do everything unlocked fine. So I wouldn’t put a lot of emphasis on that. Also, stepping off the bindings is interesting, but I wonder how much is used in the field. Since you still need to put together and take apart your board, you would be stepping in snow, likely creating icing, it just seems not a feature someone would use.
In regards to bindings, I can’t say enough good things about Spark the company. They have the best customer service out there, will fix your system (if it ever breaks) in no time. They have invested in solar power on their roof and just genuinely nice people. I can’t recommend spark enough. To me Karakorum has always seemed a bit more complicated, but I’m sure its stellar stuff. But I like how simple Spark stuff is and how it just plain works.
I would go with the Storm based on your weight. I typically lean towards longer for better float in Colorado since the backcountry is typically deeper and soft snow, so I would push you away from the 166. When I rode the storm 161 a few years ago I thought it was nimble and rode shorter than the length suggested, but floated great. The storm has 7cm of longer effective edge, but slightly more taper and a longer nose and will let you float a whole lot better and if you lean back on that tail it will maneuver well in trees. Will it be easy in super tight trees? Probably not, but when its opened up you’ll be a whole lot more confident, and deep days when you likely won’t be riding anything steeper than 30 degrees you’ll be happy for the extra surface area. Spring lines in particular will be good as well at speed.
For perspective, I am 155lb + gear and I ride a 160-162 around 25cm width boards which I think is perfect for me. Remember you will have likely 15-20lbs more gear than riding a resort. I would typically ride a 156-158 at the resort. If I was to get a Venture again I would be on the 161 Storm or 160 Paragon.
If Karkis says its sweet, I take that to the bank! I rode this board 1 day at Silverton splitfest last year in less than ideal conditions. Touring up was straight ice. I used ski crampons. It toured fine for grip. never summer profile doesn’t tour as well as a cambered board, but it rides a whole lot better down. As for the down, I rode corn and while i would say this isn’t the best corn board, it did just fine. I was hoping to ride it in some pow though!
I’m really waiting for a sub 7 pound NS, similar to the 25th anniversary shape. Maybe some carbon, you got this NS! I’ll sell my prospector and furberg if this happens.
I have a Never Summer Chairman 160 with Union bindings, weighs at 10.1lbs
My Prior Slasher XTC with Phantom bindings weighs in at 9.9lbs
Although most split setups I’d say are heavier and a solid board would perform better at the resort. The chairman is a better all around board and rides all conditions with a damper ride. While splitboards will do just fine, typically they are a bit heavier yes. You can lose weight by taking off the tour mode if you wanted.
Along with weight, the next issue I see with using a split board at the resort is the amount of abuse it could take. While they are the same durability, splitboards are significantly more expensive and putting a bunch of core shots would be a big bummer on your investment.
Another option is to get the One binding system. That way you can buy sparks or any soft boot binding, and put your splitboard bindings on your solid board. http://www.sparkrandd.com/gear/one-binding-system/
People always forget you can save a lot of cash by splitting a board yourself. I found an older never summer online for $35, and bought it and split it. After skins, split specific bindings (even used), you can likely get a full setup for under $400 if you are budget minded.
I’d take an old board and used gear over snowshoes any day. Snowshoes suck.
Three things that’s cool, even though I’m a hardbooter and don’t plan to use this.
1) Front Points (21:00). solid idea @russman.
2) The shedding system(4:00) is a slick idea. I’d love to see it really with ice and snow. I also like you are now interfacing both boards with overlap. I find with Phantoms this adds a lot of torsional rigidity.
3) Slimmed down interface (5:00), is a cool idea, similar to Phantoms fixed angles.
Great to see progression for the softbooters.
I have Dynafit 130’s that work on my NS Prospector (248w), Prior Slasher (252w), but do not fit on my Furberg (264w). I ended up having to get the Spark D Rex W version. I haven’t put enough days on them to compare the two (Dynafits have always been solid), but they clearly are heavier than the Dynafits, but having a built in riser is pretty nice.
I went to Japan last year at this time of year. It wasn’t epic Japan deep, but it was deep. Some days we had over 2′ of snow, and we broke trail most of the time (well really @donhatch aka Donzilla did so its not fair since we brought a ringer, but I did break some). My group was laughing when we were doing 4-6 laps with splitboards and the people with snowshoes getting 1-2 at best. Even 1K vert laps where maybe you could say the transition would kill our time, it was still way faster. We averaged 5K days for 10 days, and I would highly doubt that would have been possible on snowshoes. Once a skinner is it, its a whole lot easier to use, unless you have to re break it since it dumps so much (which we did). I think the Japanese started to see the light as well. It is no debate how much more efficient split boarding is. We even rode our splits at the resort a couple days, and it was just fine.
@permnation, when you get out on it I’d love to hear how it compares to the Gen 1 and 2. I have no experience with Gen 2, but I like my gen 1 for those big mountain powder days. It is just so versatile, but sometimes I wish for a bit more carve turn. I assume they minimized the camber on this to almost flat? Should making skinning a lot better over the gen 1. For the 160 (my size bitches!) it weighs in at 7lbs, which is pretty respectable for a non carbon board.
This doesn’t really have to do with the Phantom system, more the dynafit toe piece, or whatever toe piece you are using.
I do not know for sure, but I would expect locked down toe that you are fine. With the voile strap to hold down the foot from the heel riser, you run a larger risk of potentially pulling the screws out from the riser, but I would probably reach out to Phantom to see. I have not heard of any issues with this, and I would expect the voile strap to break first.
Well I didn’t watch much of that, but that looked painful and a terrible design. Glad I have Phantoms.
And when my dog starts whining like that, I make sure to tell her “Abby, don’t you wish you picked a telemarker as a parent?”
If only it could snow so we could start snowboarding, that’d be great…