Forums Splitboard Talk Forum WTF? Is everything rockered these days?
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  • #571924
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Seriously, I have been riding non-rockered boards for 15 years and I’m pretty good at it. Never said to myself ” Gee I wish this was bent the other way” Favorite board, NS legacy (non-rockered) . I have owned NS boards for over 10 years now and now they go and change it to a rocker. So I was planning on getting a Venture helix, nope it’s a rocker now. I feel like these companies are basically forcing me to ride a rocker board. They are also the only companies that I feel make a solid board.

    Face it, in Colorado, you aren’t always riding powder, and don’t always need a rockered board. I ride steep icy shit on the same board I ride in powder and that ain’t gonna change. Rocker is nice in powder but what about everything else. And NO I don’t want rocker on my split either. I think it’s a lame gimmick.

    Here’s what I want: Wide, Directional twin, ptex sidewalls, stiff, durable, and non-rockered. I used to be able to find this wuite easily, now it’s a thing of the past.

    Sorry for the rant but I fear change.

    #618950
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Well Said Sir ! :clap:

    #618951
    holbyco
    190 Posts

    do you think the guys who used to ski on wood felt this way when plastic turned up on the shelves? are we now the old and crusty wooden ski generation?!

    my buddy who is one of those “industry” dudes predicts that within a few years the shelves will be almost 100% rocker. sure looks like it’s heading that way…

    anyway shredgnar, ‘they’ say that another rocker advantage is that it’s less likely to catch an edge on hardpack which is another bonus for the masses on the hills around the world. personally, i ain’t tried it but guess i will be sooner or later.

    wood v’s plastic
    film v’s digital
    non v’s rocker

    :scratch:

    #618952
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Or like

    cap construction vs sidewall
    Blinking lights that dampen vibration
    STEP IN BINDINGS vs straps
    Splitboards (J/K)

    I think it’s a fad that’s getting on my nerves. I wonder if there is a difference in production costs. Basically, they are quiver boards, always will be unless snowboarding really goes downhill.
    Less people catching their edges? Yeah, lets dumb down the whole sport so punters don’t catch their edges and powder is easier to ride. Retarded :banghead:

    I can see them being fun in powder or on rails but there is a lot more to snowboarding than that, people tend to forget that I guess

    #618953
    numbernine
    104 Posts

    well said everyone….i just put a posting in the splitboard section yesterday cause i just don’t know if it is worth the hype either. however, i’m totally sold on magnetraction but until i get a rockered board beneath my feet i’ll be stickin with my reg’s

    the question that i’ve been asking is….

    are jeremy jones and xavier delerue rippin some of the knarliest terrain in the world on a rockered board? they might not be but travis rice seems to manage on his lib…..so in the end i guess that it probably all comes down to personal preference…

    check out this pic from jones site….it shows a bunch of the boards used by the deeper crew….it is hard to tell but it looks like the only board that is rockered is trice’s banana

    #618954
    Jon Dahl
    384 Posts

    A few thoughts on rocker, from a big board perspective. I’ve been on a 192 Rad-Air Tanker for a few years now. Std. camber, 10.5 sidecut. Nice board on-piste, or on big open faces where you can really let it run. Good in pow, up to a few feet deep, in/outta bounds. I was able to test ride a pre-production ’10 year model 200 Tanker in February. Just enough rocker to make the board easier to skid around, awesome pow float, stupid good carver on the groomed stuff. Not that I want one as a daily board (I’m 5’7″) but it rode shorter than my 192, yet on edge carved a bit better. Rocker done right, in my book, would only be 3mm or so on both ends, with a almost flat base, and a consistent profile from end to end. Almost flat between the bindings(think Banana Hammock), slightly stiffer all round because the board is already profiled into the shape of a turning, on edge board. The profile of a rockered board is what brings it to the top in pow. Rocker works. Look at what world cup level athletes use for racing. They use boards that have nose rocker, very little, but it helps them turn in at gates because the effective edge is less until it is up on edge. The board materials are way above what we are talking about here, but they use rocker for what it does for them. Any good swallowtail will have some nose rocker, too, as does Prior’s Spearhead and ATV. It may not be the do all end of all other things, but used in moderation, is a good thing for what we do here, even on less than ideal days and icy steeps. A lot of guys could stand to use a bit more board, and rocker will help them on hard stuff, and float better in the pow. Rocker overdone is a hindrance for anything but deep stuff, period. So, my $.02 for what it’s worth.

    #618955
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    I don’t know how many posts I have on this site claiming the virtues of rocker, but it is here to stay for one reason – it works. It’s not like skis where it works only in powder. Because there are two points of contact with the board instead of one, it works in all conditions. I have ridden a NS Legacy as my resort board for 8 or 9 years. The new version with rocker has blown me away – it’s the board I have waited ten years to ride. Any condition, it kills it – pow, ice, steeps, groomers, kickers, cliffs, whatever. It is truly a one board quiver. Some rockered boards, such as those rockered only in the nose or throughout the full length of the board, may only be suitable for powder, but designs like Never Summer and Lib Tech (rocker only between the bindings) work well in all conditions. Try it, you’ll see. It is not a fad. I’m pretty sure Jeremy Jones’ new board has rocker, pretty soon all boards will. Up until a few years ago, snowboard tech hadn’t changed since the late 80’s. Did you think that would always be the case? At one point people were knocking skis with sidecut and extra width, but sooner or later everyone came around. Don’t fear change, embrace it, let it work for you.

    #618956
    tsondaboy
    119 Posts

    I still haven’t tried a rockered board so wont comment about it, but not all boards come with rocker.
    If you get a PRIOR you can order it with or without rocker, or at least that is what they advertise in their home page.

    #618957
    SPLITRIPPIN
    709 Posts

    2 words: Rome, Prior

    #618958
    numbernine
    104 Posts

    apparently i spoke to soon….check out the 2010 rossi jones with mag and rocker…

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uz9yjxk2yeU/SdKkRi1SztI/AAAAAAAAM84/AuW1hvoxo5M/s1600-h/rossignol2.jpg

    now that prior rockered amf split is looking that much better….

    #618959
    sketchyT
    280 Posts

    @numbernine wrote:

    apparently i spoke to soon….check out the 2010 rossi jones with mag and rocker…

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uz9yjxk2yeU/SdKkRi1SztI/AAAAAAAAM84/AuW1hvoxo5M/s1600-h/rossignol2.jpg

    now that prior rockered amf split is looking that much better….

    I really wish Rossi would offer that Jones up as a split!

    #618960
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Rockered boards are pretty damn fun, and in powder they just rule. They also work fine on hard pack terrain though some will be better at it than others of course. Cambered boards will still be around. Rockered boards are better for jibbing, powder, etc, but are generally not as good at creating pop or holding an edge on icy surfaces. Like hitting a terrain park jump line or riding the halfpipe. For backcountry use though, they are pretty damn fun.

    I’ll probably do a rockered split next season, after 3 years of demoing them.

    Cambered boards aren’t going anywhere, though there might not be as many of them on the racks.

    #618961
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    @Killclimbz wrote:

    Rockered boards are pretty damn fun, and in powder they just rule. They also work fine on hard pack terrain though some will be better at it than others of course. Cambered boards will still be around. Rockered boards are better for jibbing, powder, etc, but are generally not as good at creating pop or holding an edge on icy surfaces. Like hitting a terrain park jump line or riding the halfpipe. For backcountry use though, they are pretty damn fun.

    I’ll probably do a rockered split next season, after 3 years of demoing them.

    Cambered boards aren’t going anywhere, though there might not be as many of them on the racks.

    I think that’s where the magne-traction comes in on a lot of these boards. NS, all that stuff Mervin puts out; if it’s got one, it’ll have the other.

    That was Pontus

    #618962
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Even with MTX or the Vario grip etc, they are not as good in those conditions as a regular cambered board.

    #618963
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    After riding some rockered boards (Venture Storm and Prior AMF) last season here’s my :twocents: on the topic.

    Rocker comes in different flavors and thus produces different results. There’s full length rocker, nose only, tip and tail with flat under foot, tip and tail with camber under foot, rocker with magne traction etc.

    Rocker is really fun and responsive in powder and soft corn snow.

    Rocker is not as fun on steep firm snow where you need and want edge hold. Essentially the use of rocker = less effective edge. Less effective edge = less edge hold.

    When people say it’s more forgiving on hardback think low-ish angle, groomed run not steep firm snow. When you ride a regular cambered board on a low angle groomed run sometimes it can feel hooky. Rocker can help on these same runs but when the angle steepens and its firm it works against you (less edge).

    It’s hard to predict the future but rocker it’s definitely here for the time being and I’m excited to see it offered in splitboards. Depending on your riding style and geographic location it may or may not be the best option for you if you only have a one board quiver.

    viva la rocker mi hermanos! :headbang:

    edit to add: I’m really anxious to try a rocker with magne board like the Jones model. Having used separate boards with these features I can see how making a board with both could really have some advantages. Just like Mr. Jones says. Magne is effective, rocker is effective….it makes sense together they would be effective as well.

    #618964
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    I want the new jones board bad.
    (just dropped off my last years 166 J.Jones to get monked :rock: Reaaaally looking forward to next season :drool: )

    #618965
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Here’s where I have a problem. As mentioned, these boards are great in powder but no so great on icy steeps. The terrain that I ride, in Colorado, has a ton of powder, BUT, you have to cross a lot of variable terrain (mooncrust, icy steeps, rock ridges that you have to ollie over or face certain ptex death) to get to the goods. Face it, if everyday was a powder day then the rockered boards would be great. Unfortunately not everyday is a powder day.

    I’m just not willing to give up a snappy tail and effective edge for a little more flotation. I thought that was already the advantage of snowboards. THEY FLOAT GREAT WITHOUT ROCKER!! If you can’t ride in powder then don’t. Why must we shorten the learning curve by dumbing down the industry to the level of beginners who can’t ride powder? I thought this was about progression. My regular cambered board floats just fine in powder. Less likely to catch an edge? Then put rocker on beginner boards, not the boards that people who don’t catch their edges ride. NS putting rocker on some of their most popular and versatile boards just makes them less versatile IMHO

    I can definitely see rocker being used for QUIVER BOARDS but not for everyday use. I used to own a kyber, thought that giving up that much performance just so I would float better was silly. Like I said, Snowboards have been floating along just fine for years before we decided to bend them the other way. Skiers have Rocker on some skis now, but not all of them, just the quiver sticks.

    Too much coffee again, bye

    #618966
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    ^^^You’re not getting it. It has nothing to do with making it easier for beginners to ride pow. I’ve probably ridden more pow than just about anyone on here, on boards as small as a 152 up to a 170. But with rocker, I can set my stance pretty close to centered, which makes it a lot easier (and more fun) to spin off cliffs and natural features when there is deep snow, and use the same board on hardpack without being way back on the board. As far as NS using rocker, their boards are also cambered from the binding inserts out to the tip and tail. I used to ride a 163 Legacy in the park and in corn or when we get dense pow, and a 169 Titan or Legacy for riding AK or multi-foot dumps. Now I ride my 166 Legacy no matter the conditions, except for maybe rails, which means the newer boards are more versatile, not less. And I took my riding to a new level on that board, after having plateaued for a few seasons. You don’t think those guys at NS are getting out on their product in all conditions? You think they’re selling inferior boards to make more money and then getting out on their own older boards when they ride? Skiers were dissing sidecut for the first few years. Shit, my mom called them skis for terminal intermediates. And back in the days of Volant Chubbs, they were called cheater skis. How many skiers do you know still ripping on straight skis 70mm underfoot? Just try the new tech. Granted, some models are strictly powder boards, but some are the best all-around boards ever built. I’m pretty certain if you were to get on a new NS board, you’d see the light.
    The only drawback I can see, though I don’t have experience with this (yet), is using rockered boards for skinning. I can definitely see where having less board in contact with icy skintracks could be difficult. Fortunately, there’s Mr. Chomps.

    #618967
    mtnrider
    740 Posts

    hmmm, ugh, mmm…haven’t tried it yet, will. I am interested to know more how it rides in standard resort conditions though. Does it ride like a dead board w/ no camber, you know, the board that has over 150 days on it of hard charging? I can see the advantages of the kicked nose in pow but no offense a turd would float. I think it will stick around but it’s just being kicked up way to many notches right now.

    Not that my shit is the bomb (much room for improvement) but I’ve made and ridden my own sled from scratch (not cut my old crap in half) and it’s no where near rocket science going down…or is it :scratch: LOL

    #618968
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    @BGnight wrote:

    I want the new jones board bad.
    (just dropped off my last years 166 J.Jones to get monked :rock: Reaaaally looking forward to next season :drool: )

    :drool:

    Dick! :mrgreen:

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