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  • #843553
    mtsurfr
    48 Posts

    I am looking to get a new board and am hoping to garner some of the sage wisdom that floats around this website 🙂 My evolution in boards has been to go longer and with longer side cut radius, and I haven’t found a point yet where Ive regretted going bigger. 15 years ago, I rode only groomers and was on a 157. I went to a 161 LibTech, then as I got into split’s went to a 165 Jones, then a 168 Jones, then a 173 Furberg (1st gen) and then a 172 Mountain Slayer solid from Never Summer, which is a fully cambered board but has a softer flex than I’d like. I haven’t ridden anything shorter than 165 in probably 8-9 years, and doubt Ill return to the shorter boards anytime soon. I’m 6ft 3in and 225 in shorts, but closer to 250Lbs+ full geared up. I love riding alpine steeps as fast as I can handle. This is the riding style I’d like my new setup to excel at. I’m ok if its not the ideal “playful tree board”. I don’t mind having to “work” a little harder to drive a turn on a stiffer board. My most recent board has reminded my why I LOVE fully cambered boards. I want something that is cambered, has a longer sidecut radius (11-13), and is pretty stiff. I’ve been thinking the Winterstick TB172W might be the board. I’m just wondering if that is big enough? Obviously, the Mountain Slayer isn’t a perfect comparison because it is an all-mountain flex. It is super fun over most of the mountain, but if I’m going fast in the steeps and snow conditions aren’t perfect, carving/slarving gets little sketchy, probably due to the softer flex. This is why I thought the TB might be a great option. But, is the 172 ideal for my riding and size? Throwing down for a winterstick isn’t cheap anyway, so i’m willing to pay to customize it if it would be a better fit for me. Might as well do it right.

    So I’m hear asking because I don’t even know anyone who has ridden the TB, and you can hardly find a good review of it online. Even my local shop doesn’t know anyone riding it. I think I recall @borrows saying he has or had one on a really old post. Anyone with experience or suggestions? If I’m looking to drive this board hard and fast, should I customize the dimensions and go up in size? Is there another board I should consider? Oh,,, forgive me,,, this will be a solid setup. Hope I can still ask that here (oops)! Although, if I like it I might get one in a split, so its sort of a SB question 🙂

    Thanks everyone.

    #843601
    Scooby2
    607 Posts

    Hey mtnsurfr,

    It is true that there are few regularly manufactured boards for heavier riders who want a fast stable board for riding resorts. So you probably wont find anything different for $500ish. The Rossignol XV might be the most affordable mass produced board that has a nose that might not flutter and fold in the wind, but I’m only speculating-never been on one or bent one in a shop, they make a 174W that is 26.4 which is ok if you are size 11 or less. It is recommended for riders 190lbs+ which is a little unusual out there.

    You are heading in the right direction with Winterstick. Tom Burt is not 230 though. I’d have a conversation with them and with Donek for sure,. Tell them all about your riding style and where specific boards let you down. They probably have a rider like you in their history and have a good idea at the flex pattern that you would like. That way you are likely to get something close to what you wanted, and in the future you can tweak the flex or radius from the starting point of the last board you got from them. Have a great winter!

    #843758
    Taylor
    786 Posts

    Mtnsurfr –

    I second Scooby’s advice — spot on, as usual.

    I’m your same height and weight. Very few production boards fit us. I’ve been dealing with this problem ever since I filled in in my mid-20s, 20 years ago, when I went back to riding freeriding boards after years on race boards.

    Going custom is good advice. Instead of trying to fit your riding to a misfit or almost fit board, you can really dial a board in with a good shaper. I’ve done that a few times and the result is remarkable — worth way more than the extra money it costs.

    For context, 170s is the shortest I’ll ride. Anything shorter than that (but for some fish shapes) simply lacks the real estate in front of my front foot to support a heel turn in pow, which is disqualifying. My quiver ranges from 172 – 195 (though there’s more to it than length, of course).

    A few other suggestions:

    – Second the Rossi XV 174W. Stiff shovel–should prevent heel-turn shovel folding (a problem for us bigger dudes); soft tail–easier to smear, slarve and turn off piste.

    – Second Donek. I worked with Sean to design a 190ish split shape. Super easy to work with, excellent result. He’s especially ace for shapes on resort snow (as opposed to breakable backcountry snow surfaces).

    – Second calling and talking to Winterstick before pulling the trigger on a production shape. They know that Tom Burt wouldn’t be riding his 172 as it’s built now if he were your size or mine.

    – Prior. Prior has a cultural appreciation for and sells bigger boards. They also do custom shapes. Not cheap, but high quality.

    – Furberg Gen 2 / Gen 3, 172 / 170. Long SCR yields very even edge pressure and stability on steeps and at speed, also very easy to turn off piste, in bumps, in trees, etc. The Gen 2 is the most versatile board I’ve ever ridden. Both are nice and wide for big-footers. Both are as short as I can go on a non-fish shape.

    – Rad Air. Lots of bigger riders seem to like Rad Airs. Some of their models, if I recall, have had waist widths at or over 27 (the approx. boot-out limit for size 12s), but most don’t. Right now I think only their 186 has a 27ish width.

    – Stranda. These guys make some longer boards that are popular with bigger riders. The 177 Nallo might interest you, it’s got a not-too-guitarish 11.6 M SCR, but it’s a bit narrow if you’ve got 12s.

    There are lots of boutique companies that might entertain custom work. Check out Bryan’s Big Boy Boards F-book group – a useful resource for researching and posting questions about big boards.

    @sun_rocket

    #843808
    FloImSchnee
    291 Posts

    I’m 6’3 as well and was just checking, what I’d buy if my Prior Spearhead XTC would disintegrate, as I’ve been riding it since 2012 already.

    Thing is, it would be the exact same board I’d order.
    I.e. a Prior Spearhead 178, as I also like to charge and the board gives me a really solid feel. At the same time it rides “survy” and fun due to its shape. Only Nose rocker, but tapered throughout the rest of the boards, so doesn’t lose edge hold at the end of a turn.
    Width: Prior says its waist is 265mm, I measured mine at 275mm though, which is great for my size 11.5 feet.

    While I also have got a custom made lightweight split that pretty much looks like a Jones Hovercraft 164, I wouldn’t want a shorter board than the 178 Spearhead for most days. The float and stability are great.

    EDIT: oh, are you looking for a solid board? My post is rather targeted on Splits.
    With solid boards luckily there’s much more longer boards on offer.

    #843858
    mtsurfr
    48 Posts

    Thanks for the input. After Scooby’s post, I checked out Donek and they seem like the way to go. I talked with WInterstick and they really didn’t seem excited to do a custom around this time of year, plus their timeline to was over 2 months. Donek was super helpful and helped me get a board pretty dialed for what I was looking for. Geeking out over all the specs was pretty fun! Their timeline is around 2 weeks, and they are less money. Even though I think those winterstick boards are gorgeous, I think I’m going to go with Donek.

    Will report back once I’ve finalized and ordered.

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