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- October 22, 2017 at 4:44 pm #811546permnationParticipant
Trigger pulled. I’ll hold off on bumping some stock specs until I get my grubby fingers on them.
October 22, 2017 at 8:03 pm #811556CbalkeKeymasterI am curious to see how durable the baseplate will be over time. If it’s durable, hopefully they will be able to move away from the pin setup.
@permnation you’ll have to let us know what you think.October 26, 2017 at 4:53 pm #811764permnationParticipantThe box from Evo arrived. Here are some quick specs/obs:
-DIY and factory interface compatibility…there is no need to drill and t-nut to install the ride interface on a DIY and no more fixed stance.
– 38.4 ounces for one side (does not include screws)
– heel riser (one height) is contained within the binder, so nothing needed on the board
– lots of plastic, but very nice plastic
– price paid $324.08
October 27, 2017 at 10:26 am #811792permnationParticipantIn short, the Union Expedition are a no-go because of a sloppy ride interface. I have done and redone, double-checked directions, emailed Union, but I am still getting a 1.5cm or 15mm or 0.59 inch swing in the toe of the binding…A LOT! For reference, my Kara Prime1 do not budge at all.
Briefly, tour mode and just holding the binding in your hands reveal IMO a very refined piece of kit….minimal parts, simple operation “on carpet”, and cool looking design.
I am going to see how this plays out for a bit, as I have plenty of time to return them. I don’t see much good unless they figure out ride mode. What were Rice and Iguchi riding, I wonder?
October 27, 2017 at 2:13 pm #811801CbalkeKeymaster@permnation that’s a lot of play. Has Union responded? I can’t imagine they would be okay with that.
October 27, 2017 at 3:45 pm #811809permnationParticipant@Cbalke. Here’s the meat of our emails:
from me. “So far, I am really stoked on most of your system, but let’s talk ride mode. I am having a lot of play and have tried reinstalling a few times to make sure. Any tips to help this?
Are the mount disks meant to be center-high? Mine do not sit flush to the adapter plates. When placed on a flat surface the mount disks rock back and forth when pressed on all sides…about 1mm movement. I am tempted to sand down the high spot. It appears to be the section in the middle nearest the stance angles.”Their response. “Thanks for reaching out. Stoked to hear that you’ve picked up a set of the Expedition bindings!
The Expedition disk and baseplate have about a 0.2mm tolerance when set up properly, so you may notice some small side to side rotation. Once the binding is on snow this tolerance is reduced to about 0.02mm. Above all, proper set of the split-disk system is crucial to having minimal rotation. If the bindings have been improperly set up this could lead to more rotation than would be considered normal. You can check out this video here for some tips on set up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05L1Tgqyo3Q&t=1s
What you’re seeing with the mounting disks is part of the design. This is to help with the independent movement of both halves of the splitboard around the pin.
Hopefully we’ll have some snow soon so you can get out and try them in the mountains! You’ll be stoked once you feel how they ride!”
October 28, 2017 at 1:33 pm #811847permnationParticipantOctober 28, 2017 at 3:25 pm #811852ozsnowbumParticipantwow these manage to be even worse than imagined.
what made you even consider these bindings in the first place?
the cheap price?
the fantastic pin interface? lolOctober 28, 2017 at 4:53 pm #811855downthemtnParticipantHave you found the cause for the rotation?
From watching the install video, the split disks have a channel the pin slides through from one side to the other side of the binding. I would think that channel has be be the diameter of the pin and my guess is that the channel is wider than the pin, causing the rotation.
October 28, 2017 at 6:20 pm #811858SnurferParticipantContinuing on what @downthemtn said; it would appear from Union’s video that this system lacks the ability to move toe/heel pucks independently to account for differences in insert spacing and/or differing gaps between board halves.
Or did I somehow miss that?
In any event, that would certainly allow for play in the pin channel and the back and forth play in your setup.
Bummer… At least you have a few proven options to fallback to and thanks for sharing your findings..
Shark Snowsurf Chuna
Voile V-Tail 170 BC
Voile One Ninety Five
Spark R&D ArcOctober 29, 2017 at 9:01 am #811891permnationParticipantThis should answer above questions: I stumbled across the Union Expedition while looking for some new resort binders. I used to ride Unions 6 or 7 years ago, and the Union interface, marketing, etc. drew me in. I felt like Seth and Evan, I had to catch a glimpse of these warlocks.
Anyway, I am happy with my K Prime1’s, but I thought if the Union system worked out, I could simplify my setup and sell some stuff.
A return seems very likely at this point. I just wonder how they did their r&d.
Disclaimer: I was shipped a mismatched set of mounting disks, so only one foot has the correct factory setup, and that is the one in the above video.
November 7, 2017 at 10:33 am #812363GrahamCParticipantThe Guys at our local shop had the Union setup on a board as well. They had the exact same issue with too much play in ride mode. Seeing it for myself I couldn’t imagine actually trusting these things when you’re 10 km in the backcountry. I would steer clear for a few seasons until they come up with a better design.
November 7, 2017 at 4:52 pm #812376permnationParticipant@GrahamC Thanks for your post. The loose/flexy interface is continuing to show up. First vid of someone riding them is up on youtube. The reviewer shows the bindings having play, but states he did not feel it on the ride down. He does end up saying the powder was too good to really notice.
November 8, 2017 at 9:26 am #812422Scooby2ParticipantI think his dog said either:
“aww I’m going back to the truck, give me the keys”
or
” just run Voile already”
November 9, 2017 at 11:00 am #812493summersgoneParticipantWell I didn’t watch much of that, but that looked painful and a terrible design. Glad I have Phantoms.
And when my dog starts whining like that, I make sure to tell her “Abby, don’t you wish you picked a telemarker as a parent?”
If only it could snow so we could start snowboarding, that’d be great…
November 10, 2017 at 11:49 am #812523dimiParticipantYou can just tell this was designed by a group of bro-boarders after a few 12 packs and bunch of dope.
Who in their right mind would design a brand new binding interface with a pin? 2017 guys… not 2009.
I’m on hardboots now, but I loved my previous sparks. Comfortable, affordable, reliable and no board movement/flex.
November 10, 2017 at 2:30 pm #812530SnurferParticipantI don’t get it, and that breed of dog is not built for the cold
Shark Snowsurf Chuna
Voile V-Tail 170 BC
Voile One Ninety Five
Spark R&D ArcNovember 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm #812753permnationParticipantNovember 15, 2017 at 7:00 pm #812760SnurferParticipantWhat a load of turds.
Shark Snowsurf Chuna
Voile V-Tail 170 BC
Voile One Ninety Five
Spark R&D ArcNovember 16, 2017 at 12:25 pm #812798ozsnowbumParticipantI get that its difficult to make money in the snowboarding industry but for Travis Rice to whore himself out on a product this bad really makes me lose all respect for him as a person.
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