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    Been looking at new boards and the Arbor abacus and the venture euphoria caught my eye but then thought that maybe 20mm of taper might not be a great idea in old, heavy, wet New England snow. I’m thinking the tail may sink too much, effectively trapping it below the surface and making turns heavy and slow. I had this problem with an O’sin 4807 swallowtail in week old powder once.


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    I’ve never ridden a swallow, but my guess is that it’s a huge increase in “tail sink” over any normal board. You probably wouldn’t have a huge problem… But, f you’re looking at a tapered board you more interested in turning than going wicked fast anyway, right?

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    My Kyber has 22 mm of taper. It is very fun in the powder. Not so much in the slush. If you dip that fat nose into gooey snow to make a turn with any speed, it will endeavor to spin you around and bounce you on your ass. It is an awsome tool in powder, but not versatile for other conditions (in my opinion.)

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    Jon Dahl
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    Riding a highly tapered board requires a change in your riding style, you have to stay a lot more “balanced” or centered on it. On my personal homebuilt split I added 25mm taper to it(was no taper to start). I’ve found I have to be more aware on it in less than ideal pow conditions, but not extremely so. You can’t load up the nose when turning it, but the upside is the ease of quick jump type turns because of the taper(the tail is easier to unload). I’ve heard on the standard non-split Khybers that they have moved the camber back to match up with the inserts (ala Kessler race boards) so some of this issue will change on that board. A lot of GS race boards have fairly big taper these days(14 + mm) and they don’t seem to have any problems with it, so it’s a matter of adapting to the board. Just my $.02. BTW, the 4807 is not considered to be a true swallowtail, it is an interesting concept though.

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    The Dupraz is that way too (needing to be ridden very centered). It’s a pintail with a lot of taper but the stance is actually centered ahead of the effective edge. The only times I’ve hard trouble with mine was when riding it ‘normally’. It’s weird but it seems to work. I wonder what it’d be like as a splitboard…

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    I had somewhat of a similar problem riding a “powder board” at resorts. While the huge board floated like a butterfly thru powder and packed powder (coastal snow in the Cascades) I could hardly keep an edge when hitting the groomers.

    The problem was there was so much board out front I’d have to significantly weight the front to do simple things LIKE TURN. There is a simple solution though – RIDE SWITCH ON HARDPACK!

    Your weight will already be mostly forward. There is less board in front of you. The most important part you are resting your normally back leg and using your normally little used in powder front leg. It’s called balance and all zen masters practice this.

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