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  • #568701
    damian
    107 Posts

    Does anyone have some first hand info on those rivet things used to attach the plastic nose and tail clips?

    I think I might have mentioned it, but my nose clip comes undone constantly. This is due probably in part to bad luck and also a poor application of Voile parts to Burton split design (compare the board nose/ski tips of a Burton split and another split then look at the relative clip placement).

    Since my NS wont arrive in time for the 3 week back country adventure I am about to depart on I really want to fix the Burton problem and am tempted to tighten the rivet by belting it with a hammer on my trusty anvil. Before I totally truck it up… has anyone else done something like this?

    #595149
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    you could maybe put a thin strip of duct tape or similair around the rivet to increase its diameter, making for a more snug fit?

    #595150
    damian
    107 Posts

    Thanks for the reply man. But I am already doing that.

    #595151
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    Aside from drilling the holes in the proper place next time the only thing I can think of is to maybe drill a another hole in the board or possibly the tip hook that is at the proper distance.

    #595152
    damian
    107 Posts

    @bcrider wrote:

    Aside from drilling the holes in the proper place next time…

    Man, please give it a break. It seems that everyone who has a different opinion or experience must either:

    a. be a beginner
    b. be using the gear incorrectly
    c. be at fault for the construction of the board.

    The Queen of Sweden shits and farts and likewise not everything about splitboarding is impeccable back country touring royalty either.

    Heres the deal:

    Its a friggin 800 euro 06/07 Burton s-series factory split board.

    Its not a home made split.

    I am just trying to get the best out of what I have at the moment and to do that I have to fix this damn clip.

    So please, tell effing Burton to build it right, not me. They just banged on a Voile clip without paying attention to the fact that the nose geometry of a Burton’s split is different to other splits and so the Voile clip doesn’t perform as well. Christ, I can almost open it with my tongue (yes, I tried)

    #595153
    splittilps
    154 Posts

    Calm down dude. Maybe he was suggesting that Burton should have drilled the holes correctly and that without redrilling them you’re going to be plagued with this problem until the new board shows up.

    Voile says that you can use the slider pins to install their rivets. Stick the pin in the center, dimpled part of the rivet and hammer on it a bit. Maybe that will tighten them up again.

    Or, drill out the rivet and use a nut and bolt to tighten things up.

    #595154
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    Can you post a pic of the Burton factory split so we can see the positioning of the tip clip?

    #595155
    damian
    107 Posts

    >Calm down dude. Maybe he was suggesting that Burton should have drilled the holes correctly

    Maybe. Fair enough.

    >Voile says that you can use the slider pins to install their rivets. Stick the pin in the center, dimpled part of the rivet and hammer on it a bit. Maybe that will tighten them up again.

    I owe you a beer even if it doesn’t work. Thanks for passing on exactly the kind of help I wanted.

    Heres some pictures. The twisted wire is my quick fix to add friction to the underside of the clip when it rotates on the rivet. The black tape attemps to widen the rivet for a tighetr clip closure

    ps – that 1mm gap between the skis… thats the narrow part. Its 2mm between the bindings.

    #595156
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    I don’t have time for the drama now that I’m work so I’ll keep it brief.

    I wasn’t thorough enough when I read damian’s post. I though he did a Voile tip clip mod to an older Burton split. Now I remember that he has the newer version that has the voile tips.

    It sounds like Burton didn’t do the best job attaching the tips which is not too uncommon with brands other than Voile making splitboards. Voile uses a special jig that allows for less errors in drilling. I’ve seen Prior’s that have had similar issues too. Not an excuse for the mfg’s more just random info.

    I have a prototype Burton 162 S-Series board that has around 100 days on it. When I first got it I swapped out one of the Voile tips to a Burton tip so I could compare the performance and durability. Both tips work great and stay closed without issue. In three years of use I think the clips may have only popped open once on super hard snow. Thats a pretty good track record in my opinion. To hear that damian has had a much different experience can only lead my to believe that Burton didn’t apply the tip properly. If that’s the case he has a couple options. One would be to contact Burton and see if they would fix it. He may or may not have already done this and they may or may not provide any solution. Still probably worth asking though. Second, he could just take matters into his own hands and fix it. (see below)

    Here are some pics.

    Stock Voile tip clip on the new S Series.

    Regular Burton tip on the tail.

    If you can get your hands on the Burton tips that would be one way to fix it yourself. You can remove the voile clip and drill a new hole to fit the Burton. (the old hole is where the voile clip went and you only need to drill one hole because you can use one of the existing holes where the voile was.

    The other option if you cant get a hold of any Burton tips would be to offset the voile clip and drill a new hole. You need to remove and move the stopper to the new hole.

    Both of the options should be easy to do and keep the board together well.

    ps. Just wanted to show damian the center of of what a normal S Series board should look like (no gap) as well. If yours doesn’t look like this it sounds like the board slipped through their quality control and should not have been sold. This is an error of the mfg, not the design. 😉

    #595157
    damian
    107 Posts

    Thanks for the pictures. I just think the Voile nose clip should be further down on the board by an inch so that the clip is flat against the boards deck (like on a Prior). This gives more friction and down expose the underside of the clip like the current Burton placement does.

    A few others here have mentioned clips coming undone whilst riding. Mine certainly does, especially quickly when the not so damp board is vibrating on not so soft snow.

    As for gap… I got gap big time. 🙂

    I will try investigating my options with the Burton factory in Innsbruck when I pass by there in a week.

    Gap:

    #595158
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Just a random thought, but maybe you could take a rat-tail file to the groove and reshape it a little. Just deepen the groove and angle it back toward the center of the board. Could work if all else fails..

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #595159
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    That’s a pretty big gap; doesn’t seem right. Is that pic w/o the bindings/slider plates in place? On my Burton split (w/Burton interface), there’s a bit of a gap when the interface isn’t attached. I can see a gap w/just the board halves held together by the Chinese hooks, and if I push the pieces together the gap goes away. The Burton interface clamps the two sides together though and the gap is effectively gone. With the Voile slider plates, if you have any front to back play in the slider plate then it’s not helping compress the sides together. You might be able to make some improvements adjusting that. Is your gap consistent along the length of the board, or does it touch in some places but have a gap in others? If it’s the latter, that sounds like a quality control issue and a board that shouldn’t have gone out.

    As far as the tip/tail clip, if you do happen to get ahold of one of the old Burton clips like bcrider mentioned, you might consider mounting it with a rivet rather than the standard Burton screw hardware. At the very least, make sure to use locktite. Whenever I’ve lost a clip it’s been because it came unscrewed (and believe it or not I think this has only happened during skinning!). I’ve never had it just come unclipped. You could also try just getting some new Voile clips, maybe yours was just a bad one or it’s a little too worn or something.

    #595160
    damian
    107 Posts

    Hi SFtastico – I am contemplating filing, but only as a last resort

    Jim – my factory-fitted Voile hooks are attached by Burton using the Voile rivet – same as the one in the split kit. As for the gap – yep, that is with the slider plates in ride mode and with no slider plate play at all. When I ride in powder it comes up between the skis as I slide. It simply isn’t possible for a board like that to ride the same as a solid board.

    BCR – I trust you that you love your board, thats cool. But your board as pictured, for better or for worse, is not the same as my off-the-shelf 06/07 split. Visually it is pretty easy to see it is not the same and there is no reason that a prototype ends up being what is produced in the Burton factory. What’s more, you removed the Voile clip so its hard for you to bring conclusion about the design of a factory off the shelf split by referring to your one-off board and user modified board.

    Certainly there are quality control issues, but none the less – its easy to see that the placement of the nose clip is a result of poor design coordination.

    So too is the huge gap down the middle.

    Until I see otherwise I believe this is a DESIGN flaw in the 06/07 Burton Split. In part a result of possibly not thinking too hard about switching over to Voile hardware without changing the split geometry of the board, which was quite likely designed for their unique interface? When Burton decided to go with Voile, did they also re-design the ‘cut’ of their s-series? I really suspect that they didn’t, and that’s the problem. The Burton interface was more dynamic that Voile – it pulled the skis tight and the arched gap between the skis added to this tension. Similar issue with the nose clip: the unique Burton ski tip shape (curved) doesn’t lend itself to the Voile clip nor the placement of it. The board geometry + hardware characteristics need make up a whole system and they need to be compatible.

    Anyway, I am going to make do as I love skinning and for a freeride shape it rides really nicely in powder and we have loads of it at the moment.

    Two days from now we are heading out on the road in a 3.5 ton campervan for a 22 day, 4 country split boarding odyssey.

    And the biggest storm of the winter still hasn’t quite finished dumping yet. :thatrocks:

    This is the rough route we are taking, its pretty ambitious, lots of night time driving… so lets see how it actually unfolds.

    Start in Austria (Stubai Alps), head south to Dolomites in Italy, head west to Switzerland and the awesome terrain near St Moritz (sleeping in the carparks of the fur coat crowd). Head further west and down into Italy to access little old Alagna tucked away on its own. Then over to Chamonix for some spring chuting. We wrap it up by coming back east into Switzerland and with a bit of luck pulling off an overnight tour up into a remote valley we toured in last spring. It takes a few hours to reach the upper reaches of valley and make camp… and then look at those nice northerly aspect faces on the lookers right in the back ground. That picture was taken in June last year. Amazing.

    #595161
    bvt
    23 Posts

    Hope I’m not late. Try taking a metal washer and cutting a “C” notch in it so it can go around the shaft and squeeze it closed with a pair of pliers. This may give you more thickness and friction if that is what you desire. I have a new prior split and the nose clip unhooks often even after a few rides. Good luck and happy trip.

    #595162
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    You should definitely contact Burton regarding that problem. Chances are they will end up sending you a replacement board.

    #595163
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    @damian wrote:

    Jim – my factory-fitted Voile hooks are attached by Burton using the Voile rivet – same as the one in the split kit.

    Maybe I wasn’t clear. I was saying that if you choose to replace your existing Voile clips by finding some OLD Burton ones like they used to use before they switched to Voile (like bcrider suggested, and did to ONE of his clips on his board), then I suggest that you consider not using the screw hardware to attach it. The OLD Burton clips used screws for attaching, and I’ve had those screws come out on more than one occasion. I think that rivets would probably work better. I think that overall the old Burton clip is a little more bomber than the Voile one as far as the clip itself.

    Two days from now we are heading out on the road in a 3.5 ton campervan for a 22 day, 4 country split boarding odyssey.

    Must be nice! You better post a TR… 🙂

    #595164
    Romian
    28 Posts

    Maybe you can remove the rivet and find the way to use a screw with two different diameters: one the same diameter than the rivet (thread) and one a little bit wider. This would allow the screw not to move up and down.

    Don´t know if this make sense. If not, I can make and post a drawing.

    #595165
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @damian wrote:

    BCR – I trust you that you love your board, thats cool. But your board as pictured, for better or for worse, is not the same as my off-the-shelf 06/07 split. Visually it is pretty easy to see it is not the same and there is no reason that a prototype ends up being what is produced in the Burton factory. What’s more, you removed the Voile clip so its hard for you to bring conclusion about the design of a factory off the shelf split by referring to your one-off board and user modified board.

    Certainly there are quality control issues, but none the less – its easy to see that the placement of the nose clip is a result of poor design coordination.

    So too is the huge gap down the middle.

    Until I see otherwise I believe this is a DESIGN flaw in the 06/07 Burton Split. In part a result of possibly not thinking too hard about switching over to Voile hardware without changing the split geometry of the board, which was quite likely designed for their unique interface? When Burton decided to go with Voile, did they also re-design the ‘cut’ of their s-series? I really suspect that they didn’t, and that’s the problem. The Burton interface was more dynamic that Voile – it pulled the skis tight and the arched gap between the skis added to this tension. Similar issue with the nose clip: the unique Burton ski tip shape (curved) doesn’t lend itself to the Voile clip nor the placement of it. The board geometry + hardware characteristics need make up a whole system and they need to be compatible.

    Anyway, I am going to make do as I love skinning and for a freeride shape it rides really nicely in powder and we have loads of it at the moment.

    Two days from now we are heading out on the road in a 3.5 ton campervan for a 22 day, 4 country split boarding odyssey.

    I disagree. 🙂

    Aside from the stealth topsheet and custom graphics, the board is identical to the off the shelf models. They didn’t change anything (board-wise) from the proto they sent me to the production model. Its the same board.

    As for my tip clip experiment (using one of each), this has zero effect of pretty much everything. They both do the same job in the same manner…just with different dimensions of the clip. I’d be happy to put the stock voile clip back on there if it means anything.

    In terms of redesigning the board to be compatible with the Voile interface. This has NOTHING to do with the board’s shape and demensions but it has EVERYTHING to do with the hole placement for the tip clips, pucks, climbing bars/brackets, and chinese hooks. The voile clips work fine on the curved shape of the Burton ski tips granted the holes are drill properly by the factory.

    As for the gap, if you have the time it would be great to see more pics of the board, with interfaces on, without, close-ups of the chinese hooks etc. I’m pretty confident that the factory misdrilled the holes on the chinese hooks (and tip clips 🙁 )which is not allowing the board to line up properly. Pictures would be helpful.

    Here is a pic of a friend’s production S Series with Voile hardware tip clips and chinese hooks (interface sold separately and would not create a gap by being used).

    No gap.

    ps. The splitboard odyessy sounds epic and don’t forget the camera!

    #595166
    damian
    107 Posts

    This is not intended criticism, but I reckon the Voile clip could possibly do with a re-make. Whaddya reckon? Compared to the other bits of bomber Voile split hardware, the clips kind of look like they belongs on a toy, not the tip and tail of a snowboard that is subjected to varying degrees of gnar.

    Interesting to hear about the clip on a Prior noise coming undone as well. I like the way other makers have a square-cut nose meaning that the clip is not visible from the underside of the board. I can put a match stick between the skis just below the clip on the Burton.

    Different attempts to add bushing to the clip rivet have worked to varying degrees. My main concern is that anything added to the ‘receiving’ rivet is prone to deform the plastic clip material rather than create a tighter closure or more friction. Side thought: perhaps nose and tail clips should be metal? Or perhaps plastic provides the flexibility that they need?

    I really need my splitter right now and cant afford to leave it at the Burton shop for repair etc. But if I keep riding it, they might rightly tell me it cant be that dysfunctional.

    Good suggestions and input from all. Thanks hey.

    ps – there will be multiple TR’s from my travels I am sure. Although we have decided to cut Cortina from the agenda to reduce the travel hustle and give more chill in our time.

    #595167
    damian
    107 Posts

    ps – I posted that above without having seen the last post from bcr

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