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- February 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm #576398
groundrush1ParticipantI know this has probably been covered, but I couldn’t find it. I apologize up front. Should the straight side be in or out? Does it really matter? Thank you.
February 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm #651841hikeswithdogsParticipant@groundrush1 wrote:
I know this has probably been covered, but I couldn’t find it. I apologize up front. Should the straight side be in or out? Does it really matter? Thank you.
Yea good question, also I’d appreciate some answers(pro’s Vs cons’s) for those of us who have DIY’s with edges only on one side.
February 17, 2012 at 9:52 pm #651842KGNParticipantI dont have a DIY split, but I always have the sidecuts on the inside. You get the sidecut biting into the edge on your downhill leg on the traverses which helps, and you don’t have to worry about the clips hitting each other if you don’t fold them in, which I don’t.
February 17, 2012 at 10:50 pm #651843SkideuceParticipantI know most people skin with the sidecut edges in, but I just can’t get used to it. I go cut edge on the inside and haven’t ever had any problems. I find the cut edge is sharp enough to bit into most things. Is there any reason I should switch it up?
February 17, 2012 at 11:05 pm #651844christoph benellsParticipantwhen skiing small downhills it will help you initiate turns if the side cut is on inside edge
most do it this way….although viole recommends straight side in with their DIY kit
February 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm #651845brgParticipantStraight edges outside, side-cut edges inside 100% for sure, anyone who thinks differently has not toured very far.
Not trying to be rude, this is just spiltboard 101.
February 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm #651846philip.akParticipantI don’t have to traverse much where I tour, so just for kicks I tried it straight edges in a few times but the hooks and tip clip hardware snagged and banged together when I let the board halves get too close (which was more often than I would have guessed). Rather than trip or mangle hardware, I run the sidecut edges inside.
February 17, 2012 at 11:38 pm #651847Swedish-bananaParticipant@brg wrote:
Straight edges outside, side-cut edges inside 100% for sure, anyone who thinks differently has not toured very far.
Not trying to be rude, this is just spiltboard 101.
Great. Now back that statement up.
Not trying to be rude. Just argumentation 101.
February 18, 2012 at 12:14 am #651848SnurferParticipantWhatever you choose to do, make sure you put your binding pin cables on the outside edge (whichever you choose to be the outside touring edge). Because the first time one of your board hooks slices the cable and you find yourself digging in the pow looking for it you’re sure to regret not thinking of it… :thumpsup:
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February 18, 2012 at 3:11 am #651850jerrettParticipantI’ve heard outside North america it’s more common to have straight sides inside.
I’ve tried both and while i’ve mostly toured with the sidecut inside, the few times I’ve gone straight side inside I preferred it – especially on sketchy switchbacks.. I found it seemed to have more of a sure footing on the downhill ski with the straight edge inside – seemed using the straight edge cut in more than having to compress the ski with the sidecut? Not sure, only tried it a few times…
… because… with the Karakoram clips you can’t fold them in, and if they do bang it can end in disaster… I hit the K clip *once* against the back of my other ski and bent the metal enough that It wouldn’t clip together anymore (I was able to bend it back, and i had a spare..)
So, sidecut inside if you have K’s, but I’d like to hear from anyone who uses straight edges inside or has tried both enough times to have a better idea on which works better ;]
February 18, 2012 at 3:18 am #651851SkideuceParticipant@ brg
I’ve actually done some fairly long tours with the straight edge on the inside. However I always fold the hardware in. I prefer it for the same reason the other fella above does. When I engage the edge it does so immediately without having to flex the sidecut first. I’m not saying I’m right, but I wonder what the reason is why so many people switch?
February 18, 2012 at 3:48 am #651852philip.akParticipantMy problem wasn’t the Chinese hooks so much as it was the tip and tail clips. Specifically the tip. The nose of one ski would slide up on top of the other ski and unceremoniously stop cold when it caught the bare rivet post of the tip clip. Voile now seems to sell a small plastic ramp that solves (?) this, so it may be less of an issue in the future. But if you lack skinning grace and ram the ski tip into the rivet you may either fall on your face or bend the rivet.
I would not even want to imagine what it would be like to snag my K clip parts together.
February 19, 2012 at 5:10 pm #651853UTAHParticipantWith a straight edge you get 100% contact to the snow. One benefit of straight edge out aside from the obvious clip hooking, is side stepping which I like to do when trying to avoid a sketchy kick turn in a tight place. Straight edge out allows you stomp out, or set your effective straight edge first and pull yourself up placing your ineffective side-cut edge in the nook you just created. When traversing icy slopes I like to set my straight edge and use my other ski to kick across the slope kind of like kicking on skateboard. One downside with side cut in, is when you kick a turn your relying completely on your side cut edges. I like what Chris said as well, side-cut in would make initiating pizza style ski turns easier which is pretty much all I know. Anyways next time your out try to take note of how much more confident you are setting the straight edge compared to the side cut edge. Also because you can cut a skin right up to the edge there’s not much of a necessity for a metal edge a DIY will work just as good. Take care.
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