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  • #574689
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    I find it very confusing when the media keeps saying that if the U.S. government ‘shuts down’, then National Parks will close and we can’t go there. I just heard the President give a speech and he said the same thing.

    I believe both the media and politicians are misleading the public into thinking that these lands belong to someone else, and that we would be trespassing there without permission during a government ‘shutdown’.

    These lands belong to the people. The only conceivable difference I see during a government ‘shutdown’ is that there won’t be a ranger there to charge an admission fee. The land, mountains, trees, rivers, and wildlife will still be there!

    Many of us love to splitboard in our local National Park. My question is: are you going to let a government ‘shutdown’ stop you from enjoying your public land?

    :twocents:

    #639031
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    Oh hell no!!!!

    I think its just posturing by our douchebag politicians, but i really dont think it would effect us out here.

    If not i am going to all our parks for free….

    #639032
    keffler
    319 Posts

    I’ll add a little fuel to the fire. How do you think we are going to pay off our debts (in the form of bonds) when foreign nations decide to pull out? Governments (State and National) are going to be forced to sell land. I hope I’m wrong and way off base on this one, but it seems like a likely possibility.

    #639033
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    @keffler wrote:

    I’ll add a little fuel to the fire. How do you think we are going to pay off our debts (in the form of bonds) when foreign nations decide to pull out? Governments (State and National) are going to be forced to sell land. I hope I’m wrong and way off base on this one, but it seems like a likely possibility.

    Excellent point. Although I think the alpine zones would generally be safe, while the govt would sell the low-lying lands that could be easily developed.

    The homestead act allowed everyday people to purchase land from the government if they agreed to farm it. I believe the act was finally expired in the 70’s. I would not be opposed to bringing it back as long as the land is farmed and not developed into tract homes :puke:

    #639034
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    @pedrodelfuego wrote:

    Oh hell no!!!!

    I think its just posturing by our douchebag politicians, but i really dont think it would effect us out here.

    If not i am going to all our parks for free….

    That’s what I figured. We and our fellow alpinists won’t change our habits. I am just pissed off how the media is scaring the middle-American families into thinking they have to cancel their summer vacation plans to Yellowstone and the like. These people need to realize that just because the visitor center isn’t open doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the natural beauty of the park itself. Besides, most of the lodging and dining around these parks are private businesses in the bordering towns–these are the people that may truly be hurt by this misleading of the public.

    #639035
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Well if the government closes the road going through the park, people are going to have a hard time getting to where they want to go. If you park outside of the closure and hike, bike, skin in, I doubt there is much they can do about it. Let’s face it though, 90% of the tourons planning a vacation at a National Park just want to pull their car up and enjoy the view from there.

    #639036
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    @killclimbz wrote:

    Well if the government closes the road going through the park, people are going to have a hard time getting to where they want to go. If you park outside of the closure and hike, bike, skin in, I doubt there is much they can do about it. Let’s face it though, 90% of the tourons planning a vacation at a National Park just want to pull their car up and enjoy the view from there.

    I’m trying to think if the entrances have physical gates that can be closed. At RMNP they are open 24 hours, even when no guard is on duty. If they really did close the gates and essentially ‘locked out’ the public from our own land, that’s some serious bullshit!

    At least at RMNP you could just drive around through the grass. IIRC, Rainier would be more difficult.

    I sent an email to Eli at Climbinglife. Those guys have a vested interest in this development so I’m curious to hear his thoughts.

    #639037

    Well, no tax refund deposit in account yet= no money to buy overpriced lift ticket at crappy mountain with equal conditions and participate in goober rat race, so… packin wagon, headin to Teton National and splittin skulls!!!! (JK on the purchasing of tix, they can suck it… and pay me after!). Glad to see we are forced to pay these corrupt bastids but will we recieve interest on late payment? NO. Close parks? Theodore Roosevelt would SPLIT some skulls with a big stick while speaking softly. Go ride.

    #639038
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    The only spot I can think that they can effectively close is the main entrance to the park. All of the other spots I seriously doubt they can block. As far as the main entrance goes, I am pretty sure that will be closed. It may be “our” land, but that doesn’t mean that the gov has to make sure we have roads to access exactly where we want to go. That is a “service” they provide so we can access our lands.

    Still, the rest of the park shouldn’t be a problem. If they do shut down, it might be a golden opportunity for a certain pooch to poach some lines in the park…

    #639039
    rughty
    620 Posts

    These politicians remind me of squabbling children. I’m gonna take my ball and go home 😥 And I would hate to see it, but selling land was a thought that came to mind when all this had started up in the media. Perhaps we should sell California. Not all of it, just the part that is supposed to fall into the ocean! 😆 . I’d hate to think that park roads would be physically blocked, but that might be the job of “essential” security personnel or immovable objects like giant boulders. Anyone know anybody with a bulldozer?! I think we all can benefit from a little less government. If you’re a government employee deemed non essential, have a nice vacation. I know I fully took advantage last season when my company shutdown every friday for over 6 months without the possibility of collecting unemployment. A majority of that time was spent up in the Sierra getting some great split time in on some super rad lines! I would suggest anyone who has time off during this ridiculous government meltdown do the same (in your own perspective mountains though 😉 ).

    #639040
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    I heard on NPR (yes I am a bleeding-heart liberal) that the National Parks will all close on Friday. I assume that this means that the gates will be closed and locked. If you can access the park by foot or skins there will be nobody will be around to stop you. But you know Ol’ Ranger Rick might just take it on himself to “keep the park safe” paycheck or no.

    I kinda think it would be a great time to poach as much as you could, just to be a dick (and or earn “Punk Rock Points). Who has some sleds to help poach the National Park system????
    :rock:

    #639041
    ehcarley
    411 Posts

    @rughty wrote:

    These politicians remind me of squabbling children. I’m gonna take my ball and go home 😥 And I would hate to see it, but selling land was a thought that came to mind when all this had started up in the media. Perhaps we should sell California. Not all of it, just the part that is supposed to fall into the ocean! 😆 . I’d hate to think that park roads would be physically blocked, but that might be the job of “essential” security personnel or immovable objects like giant boulders. Anyone know anybody with a bulldozer?! I think we all can benefit from a little less government. If you’re a government employee deemed non essential, have a nice vacation. I know I fully took advantage last season when my company shutdown every friday for over 6 months without the possibility of collecting unemployment. A majority of that time was spent up in the Sierra getting some great split time in on some super rad lines! I would suggest anyone who has time off during this ridiculous government meltdown do the same (in your own perspective mountains though 😉 ).

    Sell Texas. California has good mountains, good herb and good beer. What does Texas bring to the table?

    #639042
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    What does Texas bring to the table?

    Ptex, Goretex, plastic for your boots, plastic for your roof top box, gasoline, oil for your car, ptex, fiberglass resin for your board, all glues, all resins, all plastics, and the list goes on and on.
    did I mention ptex?

    #639043
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    All that stuff comes from China or Saudi Arabia, but Texas does have very slutty chicks!

    #639044
    splittilps
    154 Posts

    @dude_reino wrote:

    I believe both the media and politicians are misleading the public into thinking that these lands belong to someone else, and that we would be trespassing there without permission during a government ‘shutdown’.

    These lands belong to the people. The only conceivable difference I see during a government ‘shutdown’ is that there won’t be a ranger there to charge an admission fee. The land, mountains, trees, rivers, and wildlife will still be there!

    :twocents:

    From my local paper today;

    In many ways, the shutdown couldn’t come at a better time for the park. Most roads are closed for the season, and tourism is light. And even if a shutdown occurs, the park must keep the road between Mammoth and Cooke City – the only road in and out of Cooke City in the winter – open to through traffic.

    In the case of a shutdown, the road will only be accessible as a thoroughfare, which means whatever law enforcement is left in Yellowstone will have to patrol the two-lane road through the Lamar Valley and make sure nobody stops to look around.
    “If there is an emergency, (drivers) may stop,” Nash said. “Seeing a wolf is not an emergency.”

    Road bicyclists who enjoy riding on the roads between West Yellowstone and Mammoth, roads that have been cleared of snow but not yet open to vehicles, will also be turned away in case of a shutdown, Nash said.

    http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/article_e63c8832-60ad-11e0-9b1d-001cc4c03286.html

    So, it doesn’t sound like we’re being mislead – they would in fact be SHUT.

    BS? Most definately.
    Political posturing that will probably not come to fruition? Maybe.
    Misleading? I don’t think so.

    #639045
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Tex, just because there is “tex” in Texas doesn’t mean they make everything that has “tex” in it’s name. Geeze, get over yourself.

    j/k man, I get you…

    #639046
    rughty
    620 Posts

    @tex wrote:

    What does Texas bring to the table?

    Ptex, Goretex, plastic for your boots, plastic for your roof top box, gasoline, oil for your car, ptex, fiberglass resin for your board, all glues, all resins, all plastics, and the list goes on and on.
    did I mention ptex?

    Don’t forget the best angus beef :drool:

    #639047
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    @rughty wrote:

    Don’t forget the best angus beef

    That comes from Wyoming…

    #639048
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Tex, just because there is “tex” in Texas doesn’t mean they make everything that has “tex” in it’s name. Geeze, get over yourself.

    HFT, it doesnt have a thing to do with the name.

    Ptex Gore tex ect contains nylon and plastic. Plastic, and all petrolium based materials used in the usa comes through or is made somewhere along the Houston ship channel,freeport texas or Corpus Christi,or Lousiana . Because they are all petrolium based products. Do names like
    Exxon
    Shell
    Dupont
    3M
    Amerada Hess
    Union76
    sound familiar?

    Just like the central valley of california is know for farming, the gulf coast is oil and plastic.

    Not a matter of getting over myself, its just if you spent 25 yeras breathing the toxins, you would know.

    #639049
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    HFT?!!! Now I am insulted!!! Do I look like a skinny, mal noursihed mutant lung to you????

    Fuck!

    And I was just kidding. I know what you were saying…

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