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  • #578935
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    I’m in the market for skins for my first splitboard (Prior AMF 162 tip/tail 302mm waist 255). I was considering Gecko skins but if seems like barely any sites carry them and some sites that currently do will no longer be. Not sure why I’ve been trying to get a hold of Gecko customer service and that is not a easy task it’s damn near impossible. Due to all this I’m considering G3 high traction skins wondering what you guys think of both if these skins and if Gecko skins are worth it even with the lack of customer service.

    This is the only place I found gecko skins 140 by 170 it says 170mm I think that is suppose to be 170cm and I figure I would have to cut then to size.
    http://www.mountaingear.com/webstore/Gear/Snowsports/Ski-skins/Geko-Skins/Glueless-Splitboard-Mohair-Skins/_/R-233673.htm

    G3 high traction split board skins
    Medium 159-173cm 140mm

    http://www.genuineguidegear.com/gear/skins/alpinist-high-traction-splitboard-climbing-skins

    Also wondering which would have better traction and last longer trying to make the best decision here.

    Any input would be greatly appreciated

    #670060
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    I used the G3HT skins all last year. They give great grip, but the glue seems to lose its stick at low temps. Other than that they work really well and allow skinning up 30 plus degree slopes with no ski crampons. They are big, plushy and thick and weigh a lot.

    I just bought geckos and haven’t used them yet but they are about half the size and weight of other skins. They supposedly glide really well, which means they will grip less. (All mohair skins glide more and grip less) I imagine they will require me to actually learn some skinning technique.

    Also, some say the geckos will start leaving bits of their glue side on your base after a few tours.

    Hope this helps…

    www.splitlife.net

    #670061
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    Appreciate the info seems like the G3s got there down sides too. I’ve heard that about the Gecko skins to but considering that there is no adhesive I would think it wouldn’t be that big of a issue removing anything from the base that night be left behind. I wondering how long does it take before they leave residue on the base. I rather have something with good glide I bought crampons just in case so if grap is a issue I’m throw them on.

    I’ll look into other brands see what they offer. Perhaps Voile or Kohla

    #670062
    Method
    151 Posts

    @LPowhuntr wrote:

    I rather have something with good glide I bought crampons just in case so if grap is a issue I’m throw them on

    …until the day comes when it’s looks so powdery at the trailhead and you don’t bother taking them and you hit an icy ridgeline you want to traverse, it only needs to be a few metres…

    I guess what I’m trying to say is… get in that situation and tell me you like glide over grip…

    I honestly don’t think choosing a skin that glides better is going to make you tour that much faster or easier. In my case I would get much more benefit by spending more time on the stair master getting fitter!!!

    I only have experience with the voilés and they are grippy enough for me. I’m thinking of trying the g3 high traction skins to replace them when the time comes.

    Personal preference I suppose.

    @Jefe009 wrote:

    I used the G3HT skins all last year. They give great grip, but the glue seems to lose its stick at low temps.

    Any problems with the skins separating when touring (particularly with a couple of transitions) at low temps i.e snow buildup underneath?

    #670063
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    Any issues that you can think of with the Voiles? Seem to be a popular choice that is why I’m asking.

    As for glide over grip I appreciate the advice

    #670064
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Don’t know what is going on with Gecko, but one of the owners passed away in an avalanche accident last year so I would suspect your customer service issues might partially be a result of this.

    As far as glide vs grip, it depends on where you tour most, and what kind of terrain you usually ride. Skins with good glide, are typically much lighter and packable. I have some mohair skins on my AT setup and love them. I can cover a lot more ground much more easily and with less fatigue. But I also don’t ski in gnarly steep terrain much because I kinda suck at skiing.

    Grip is awesome to have, I have some burly ascensions that I have used for years. They are more durable, and grippier of course. However, they are heavy and hard to pack down. For yo-yo laps, when I prefer to stick the skins in my jacket, they make me look like a fat chick. It sure is nice to set a steep ass skin track on these things though.

    I don’t have much experience with the G3 skins except on some old tele skis I had and they were sufficient.

    #670065
    philip.ak
    679 Posts

    Gecko has been having serious problems with their adhesive. We’ve been through three sets now and are waiting on warranty replacements. They are light (though heavier than G3 Alpinist), the grip is actually as good or better than Voile tractor/BD Ascension and considerably better than the G3 Alpinist skins, and they go glide well (like the G3s, and better than the Voiles). I own them all.

    You just can’t go wrong with the Voiles. Reliable workhorse.

    #670066
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    @Method wrote:

    Any problems with the skins separating when touring (particularly with a couple of transitions) at low temps i.e snow buildup underneath?

    Exactly that. And once they are ‘froze out’ it’s really hard to get the stick back. Basically need to leave them in your jacket for a while to bring the temp back up.

    I agree that the Voiles/BDs are probably the best ‘all around’/workhorse skins. They are not the best at any one thing, but very reliable and have not failed me ever. Burly glue tho, that is a huge pain to pull apart!

    www.splitlife.net

    #670067
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    @philip.ak wrote:

    Gecko has been having serious problems with their adhesive. We’ve been through three sets now and are waiting on warranty replacements. They are light (though heavier than G3 Alpinist), the grip is actually as good or better than Voile tractor/BD Ascension and considerably better than the G3 Alpinist skins, and they go glide well (like the G3s, and better than the Voiles). I own them all.

    You just can’t go wrong with the Voiles. Reliable workhorse.

    I’ve worn out one pair of Geckos the last 2 seasons and had great luck with them. Only minimal adhesive sticking to the board. They wear out quick though. Near the tips where snow builds up underneath the adhesive has worn off. Tailclips are a must if using Geckos. I’m looking to get another pair. Hopefully I get a good batch again cuz I never had the problems philip had. I had the all black top and bottom ones fwiw. They are absolutely awesome for days where you’re doing laps. You can pull them apart with your pinky fingers. Grip is not as good as black diamond imo but all the skins are really close. Glide is good but glide doesn’t mean shit and should have no say in what you choose.

    #670068
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    I love my new Voile’s with Spark Clips! Way more than my G3’s. Grip > Glide :twocents:

    #670069
    peacefrog
    376 Posts

    I had the same issues as philip.ak with my Geckos. They warranted them and a few months later I had the same problem.
    Philip, who should I contact about warranties these days?

    #670070
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    Wow Guys thank you so much for all the info really saved my butt here on possibly making a bad decision. Will definitely be going with Voile or BD Ascension.

    I just have a few quick questions and then I’ll start looking for a sweet deal on em.

    You guys mentioned that Voile with Sparks clips is the way to go just wondering how difficult is that change from the stock voile setup to Sparks. I see rivets on the voile setup I can be wrong. Also how simple is the sparks install?

    Anyone happen to know the weight of Voile skins I know that BD are 708g?

    As for BD Ascension I see they come a Lil wider and longer then voile how much important should that be in my decision process? Lastly how is the setup on BD Ascension meaning clips would I need to also upgrade to sparks clips?

    Thank you again for all the info greatly appreciated

    #670071
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    Also I heard from a retailer that Gecko will no longer be supplying to the US not sure how much truth there is to that but figured I’d pass on the info.

    #670072
    philip.ak
    679 Posts

    Gecko has a new US distributor:

    David Liechty and Matt Appleford
    High Alpine Distribution
    999, Vallejo Street, Unit 2
    Denver, CO 80204

    970 708 4766
    http://www.highalpinegear.com
    http://www.theadventureproject.net

    Here is the warranty claim form:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10241410/High%20Alpine%20Distribution%20GECKO%20WARRANTY%20CLAIM%20FORM.docx

    As to setting up the Voile/BD skins, you would just leave the front tip hardware in place and ADD a tail clip to the rear. All you need to do is whack a couple of rivets with a hammer. That’s pretty much it. For trimming your skins to fit your board, definitely buy the G3 trim tool. That thing totally rules.

    #670073
    LPowhuntr
    102 Posts

    I don’t think the site is up and running yet it takes you to http://geckoskinsna.com which then indicates “site coming soon”

    Thanks for the info in the clip setup and definitely getting the g3 tool I hear good things about it

    #670074
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    @LPowhuntr wrote:

    You guys mentioned that Voile with Sparks clips is the way to go just wondering how difficult is that change from the stock voile setup to Sparks. I see rivets on the voile setup I can be wrong. Also how simple is the sparks install?

    Piece of cake!!! Spark has amazing instructions included, and a Youtube how-to video.

    #670075
    Kakiko
    8 Posts

    Hey there! I guess this is the correct topic for my issue.
    I skin and split for 1st time in my life yesterday. I have the Black Diamond SPLIT skins. Wide enough for my board. Lib-tech.
    The glide is awesome and the grip too, even in steep angle.

    BUT, the snow was to wet and slushy. AND I adjust and trim them by myself, finding some Snow between the board and skin. What I did wrong and how can I fix it?
    I don’t know if the glue is poor or what, but they are new.

    Thanks

    #670076
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    That photo alone isn’t much to go on, but form what I can see the skins seem to start quite far back (or down), also the front attachment doesn’t look “tight”.

    Could i be possible that there is a gap there that is scooping in the snow?

    #670077
    Kakiko
    8 Posts

    @NorwegianDan wrote:

    That photo alone isn’t much to go on, but form what I can see the skins seem to start quite far back (or down), also the front attachment doesn’t look “tight”.

    Could i be possible that there is a gap there that is scooping in the snow?

    I’ll check if I can pull them up then. Thanks!

    #670078
    vapor
    350 Posts

    @Kakiko wrote:

    Hey there! I guess this is the correct topic for my issue.
    I skin and split for 1st time in my life yesterday. I have the Black Diamond SPLIT skins. Wide enough for my board. Lib-tech.
    The glide is awesome and the grip too, even in steep angle.

    BUT, the snow was to wet and slushy. AND I adjust and trim them by myself, finding some Snow between the board and skin. What I did wrong and how can I fix it?
    I don’t know if the glue is poor or what, but they are new.

    Thanks

    Those look like Black Diamond SKI skins with the plastic section sewn down the middle. You can tighten up the front wire by opening them up and placing the ball in different notch. Also can cut the skins and fit the attachment to fit like a traditional splitboard skin instead 90 degree as in ski attachment.

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