Forums Outta Bounds Seen a Tiger Viewing 20 posts - 21 through 40 (of 47 total) ← 1 2 3 →Author Posts January 8, 2009 at 3:50 am #612804 TEX 2486 Postsblack bearjust as strong as your feelings against animals in cagesis my view on people who hunt Black bearWHY ? January 8, 2009 at 4:26 am #612805 split.therapy 455 PostsBerry fed black bear is better than the best pork you have ever had. January 8, 2009 at 6:26 am #612806 schwalbster 321 Posts @split.therapy wrote:Berry fed black bear is better than the best pork you have ever had.That quote made your whole argument go right down the toilet for me! You’ve got to be kidding, right?After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity. January 8, 2009 at 6:43 am #612807 BGnight 1382 Posts @split.therapy wrote:Berry fed hippy is better than the best pork you have ever had.fyp January 8, 2009 at 7:03 am #612808 split.therapy 455 PostsWhy? Because I hunt for food? Because I’d rather eat bear meat than a swine from some factory farm. Would you rather I kill a bear for the sake of killing it. Do you think I’m a hypocrite because I hunt but don’t agree with keeping animals in cages. Animals that don’t belong on this continent in the first place.Get this, I have never seen a Grizzly Bear in a zoo. I have had 12 close encounters with grizzlies in the wild. On 2 occasions I have had them sniff me. In one of those the bear rubbed against me.I don’t shoot captive animals or hunt in an enclosure. I don’t bait bears. I hunt wild bears. Their primary food source are berries. I take part in the natural order of life. I hunt for food as my ancestors did before me. I’m Native American.Hunting isn’t as easy as city folks think it is. It’s not as if the animals are standing around waiting for you. I don’t hunt in a blind over a feeder. I hike hundreds of miles. Climb thousands of vertical feet. Spend hours and hours glassing from ridge tops. I may not see one animal that I can ethically take. It’s hard and often frustrating work. When I do take an animal it’s even harder work. It can take 2 days of hauling 4 or more 100 lb. loads of antlers,hide, meat, bone and organs over miles of difficult terrain to get an elk out of the mountains.Why does that kill my whole argument? You have to be kidding right? January 8, 2009 at 2:21 pm #612809 TEX 2486 PostsYour opions of where you get your food and the moral high ground you hold for yourself are just that…..your opionWould you rather I kill a bear for the sake of killing itIn my opion ( and it is JUST that) there isnt any difference. Theres no need to kill a black bear unless it is a direct threatAnd NO IM NOT KIDDING.You keep putting out how your methods of life are better, That fine just keep in mind it YOUR opion of yourself.I dont hunt, dont fish dont own a gun. I shop at Vons and eat domesticated farmed meat. Thats what I do. I happy with it January 8, 2009 at 2:54 pm #612810 bones get broke 298 Posts @split.therapy wrote:I take part in the natural order of life. I hunt for food as my ancestors did before me. I’m Native American.I don’t have a horse in this race but I feel the need to call BS right here.The rest of what you are saying has merit and I even agree with some of it but unless you are actually hunting animals with your bare hands you are not taking part in the natural order of things. Along the same line, unless you are flint mapping arrow heads and knife blades for use in the killing and dressing of the animals that you kill, you are not hunting like your ancestors before you by a long shot.I don’t point these thing out to detract from your arguement, I am merely speaking up because I believe comparring modern hunting practices (“glassing from ridgelines”, using high powered rifles or high powered compound bows and modern packing gear) to the practices of your ancestors does them an injustice. Your ancestors were locked into a life and death struggle every time a hunting party engaged an animal, whether it be starvation if they couldn’t achieve a kill or an attack and mauling from the animal.Hunters that hunt for food and not sport are, in my opinion, very skilled and commendable humans. Congratulations on being a member of that class. January 8, 2009 at 3:18 pm #612811 split.therapy 455 PostsAgreed, but animals that die/died from those ancient tools suffered long and agonizing deaths. I can kill with less suffering using a rifle than even with a compound bow. So I don’t hunt with a bow. I am a highly trained marksman. I diligently practice and maintain those skills year round. “Shooting is a perishable skill.” I practice precise round placement. Minimal to no suffering on the animals.This allows me the luxury of being selective. I look for animals whose loss will have less impact on future generations, ie. barren cow elk, elk calf with a twin, whitetail deer (which are an invasive species here in Idaho), a large mule deer buck with small antlers (old and no longer competing for breeding). My ancestors didn’t have that luxury. They killed what they saw. Binocs and spotting scopes allow me to make these judgments with minimal invasiveness to the animals. They don’t waste time and calories fleeing from me.There is less waste of the animal because I have modern knives for dressing and skinning, saws for quartering, ropes for hanging quarters out of the reach of grizzlies and pack frames for carrying. I don’t even leave a gut pile. I feed the organs to my dogs.If our country goes into a depression, which it looks like we are, I will need those skills and tools to feed those who rely on me. It will be a life and death struggle.Before this comes up, I don’t hoot and cheer when I make a kill. I take no pleasure in killing. I often feel sad and very grateful. I don’t fish if it is “Catch & Release”. I wouldn’t want someone dragging me kicking and screaming out of my home with a hook in my mouth for their pleasure and entertainment. January 8, 2009 at 4:29 pm #612812 mtnrider 740 Postsf**king wah! Life isn’t fair…I think most of us know this by now. I’m sure we do lots of jacked up things the other side of the world thinks is horribleI picked up a predator hunting magazine…Coyote hunting is supposedly one of the top sport hunting now a days. They actually have 24 hour call/hunt contests. Since wolves were nearly wiped out coyotes have taken over (according to the mag), some people don’t like them taking their livestock, etc.Not to burst Tex’s bubble but Texas ranks pretty high in Coyote hunting too.I’d much rather eat hunted wild game than some shit sack cow that was only fed corn. The way cows are bred here for eating is disgusting. I enjoy meat but don’t need it every meal.I agree that today’s hunting tools are a much better practice of taking game if that is your choice. less pain, less waste. I doubt our ancestors stopped trying to make newer arrow heads because the first one killed something.:twocents: not that it matters. January 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm #612813 split.therapy 455 Posts @mtnrider wrote: Not to burst Tex’s bubble but Texas ranks pretty high in Coyote hunting too.IMO-Texas has some of the most deplorable hunting regs there are. You are allowed to spotlight hunt predators and varmints at night. You are allowed to hunt deer over automated feeders from a blind. You are allowed to hunt from a vehicle with an elevated bleacher seat basically. January 8, 2009 at 6:43 pm #612814 TEX 2486 Postshttp://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/season/Above are the hunting regulations for the state of Texas read upPlease read story #5 below , it will tell you what happens when you get caught hunting at night with a spotlight in texashttp://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20080218cTexas has some very strict and regulated game laws. I do know that the Deer heard is managed by the State fish and game and Texas A and M university. Permits are given out county by county which allows buck permits, doe permits, or buck only.right now the only animal I know you can kill all you want of with no bag limit and no seasonis fellar hogs I think you have your own mental Version of Texas and peopkle from texas which is really all this boils down to I will tell you I have an opion on people who shoot black bear and coyoteIts the same as your about people who put animals in cages.And your long, romantic Harlqin novel type discription of the way you hunt doesnt impress me. I grew up around hunters and as long as its legal I have no bitch.And Im done with this Im going splitboardingI will be at scrubfest, maybe we can sit down over a beer , glass of coke or bong load and converse more. I can explain to you the road have traveled to get to my opion and you can tell me about how you got to yours January 8, 2009 at 6:51 pm #612815 BGnight 1382 PostsWow, this thread is actually getting good now even though it’s completely derailed.There are lots of reasons people hunt and we all have opinions on those different reasons. There is nothing wrong w/ enjoying hunting as it gives us a connection to “living off the land” even though it is entirely unnecessary for us in this day and age. I primarily enjoyed hunting when I was younger strictly for the stalking aspect of it and the exhilarating feeling one gets when confronting a wild animal in the the wild. There is no need to justify to people that you use the whole animal or are hunting in a more “native” way than the next guy. Some people will never understand. They see killing an animal as killing an animal. It’s up to the hunter to justify it to himself why he does it. That’s all that matters. This is the reason I stopped hunting. Because I can’t justify it. Any urge I have to hunt right now would be for “sport” and the thrill of the stalk, but by no means do I need the meat. I don’t even like steak for the most part. However, I am considering buying a rifle and taking up mule deer/elk hunting again because I want that connection to the earth (god that sounds too hippie) and that primal feeling that hunting gives me. Plus, I have close friends I can share the meat w/. January 8, 2009 at 7:03 pm #612816 schwalbster 321 PostsDear Split.Therapy, what pissed me off earlier is not the fact that you are a hunter, it was the way you answered Tex justified question. If you want respect for your (obviously strong) opion about animals in cages, then you have to give respect for other peoples opions about killing black bears! And telling someone who’s asking, “because they taste awesome” is a pretty provoking answer in my humble opion. Now you made up for it a little with your follow up’s, that’s how you should’ve had explained yourself right away. Here is a guy who is just stoked to see some tigers close up and you start this whole rant, turns out you kill black bears and tons of other wildlife and you expect people to understand? Doesn’t work that way!To come back to the topic: I’m a vegetarian, 14 years and counting. Obviously I have very different beliefs from yours. And I don’t want this to turn in a big discussion, because it’s not gonna change either one of us. I plain and simple don’t want animals killed for me in any way! And I don’t want them in cages either! I respect where you are coming from and how you hunt etc. But I don’t know man, hunting in this day and age? If you think you have the right then so should I and everybody else, right? Boom, Black Bear extinct! Tiger in a cage, still there! As sad at it is!After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity. January 8, 2009 at 7:42 pm #612817 affix snow 521 PostsMy cats breath smells like cat food. January 8, 2009 at 8:10 pm #612818 SPLITRIPPIN 709 PostsDid Tex say have a discussion over a bong load :doobie: ??Here’s how that conversation would go. “Maaaaan, Like you know… here’s how it breaks down……long pause……….. Ummm… the thing is… aaaaaaaaaaah… shit my turn in the rotation.. eeeeeere…aaaaaaaaaaah”Yeah, this thread has gone crazy, but we all have our opinions… but, you know what… we share a common bond.. we like to splitboard.I stopped hunting for years because I got disgusted in how animals were treated, as well as how easy fat people choose to hunt.I’ve started hunting again, but I only take headshots. If I miss.. then nothing to eat.But, it’s the stories I hear about ignorance towards other creatures out there that pisses me. Like this for instance.. I was in a store up in far northern part of Minnesota, and I heard this conversation. “so, did you get a deer this year?”… “nope, too many wolves” “well maybe they should open a season on them” …I was so furious I wanted to beat the living shit out of those 2 idiots… yeah, you lazy f*cks can’t get a deer because one didn’t walk underneath your stand, and those damn wolves… jeeez who do they think they are to eat.Human ignorance to the natural order of the other living creatures, and humanity towards others is one thing that stirs big time rage in me. Other than that I’m a mellow fellow… weed helps :doobie: January 8, 2009 at 8:20 pm #612819 bcrider 4150 PostsI’m moving this thread to the Outta Bounds forum….Shoulda been posted there in the first place. January 8, 2009 at 11:35 pm #612820 split.therapy 455 Posts @TEX wrote:http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/season/Above are the hunting regulations for the state of Texas read up Read up now you read up http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/huntwild/hunt/fur_bearing/means/ MEANS AND METHODS Fur-bearing animals may be legally taken with firearms; foothold, conibear style, live or box traps; dogs; snares; lawful archery equipment; electronic or hand-held calls; artificial light; or by falconry except as prohibited below. January 8, 2009 at 11:44 pm #612821 split.therapy 455 Posts @split.therapy wrote:Berry fed black bear is better than the best pork you have ever had. Schwalbster, Here is my post. I did not write “because they taste awesome” You mis-quoted me 100%. Now why would I want to to kill an animal for food if it did not taste good? If I did not like the taste of the meat I would not spend the time and energy to hunt and kill it. I would not waste it’s life! Wild game is a superior form of nutrition! It’s about not eating artificial hormones, anti-biotics, not supporting the factory farm industry and so many other reasons. I’m not bullshitting any of this. I’m not trying to justify my hunting. I am giving my side of the situation.Black Bears are far from going extinct.I believe in equanimity which means all things are equal. So as a vegetarian you are killing plants for food. Plants die for sustenance same as animals. No different than I. Death begets life. I see it as the same thing. January 9, 2009 at 12:49 am #612823 mtnrider 740 Posts @schwalbster wrote: But I don’t know man, hunting in this day and age? If you think you have the right then so should I and everybody else, right? Boom, Black Bear extinct! Tiger in a cage, still there! As sad at it is!You do have the right, you choose not to so BAM not extinct. what does today’s day and age have anything to do w/ it? I know lots of people who live in the back woods, and don’t like this day and age. Most people won’t have the stomach to shoot something, that alone will stop most. Make them clean the animal from their shot…there goes another pretty large percentage.Most people are too lazy to hunt anyways. You also don’t get something every season either…heading out w/ the machine gun now to slay some ground squirrels… January 9, 2009 at 2:01 am #612822 bones get broke 298 PostsI see your tigers and I’ll raise you a cougerA healthy discussion is always a good thing but, jeebus, this has turned into a real junkshow. Viewing 20 posts - 21 through 40 (of 47 total) ← 1 2 3 →You must be logged in to reply to this topic.