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  • #628351
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    just got my f1’s took them for a tour stock, and found like everyone else that they are pretty stiff. the above photo shows the lock for the forward lean. i’ve moved the ski/walk mechanism up to the mellowest setting. wondering if I enlarging the notch on the lever would result in more flex heelside?

    #628352
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    A question for all you Dynafit + Scarpa (w/bellows) veterans…
    Do I need to add in the extra parts that came with my F3’s when I convert to Dynafit toe pieces, or can I go ahead and let the bellows flex?
    Being a runner I really like that the bellows flexed when I demo’d the Dynafit toes, but I don’t mind locking it out if there is a technical reason to do so.

    Thanks

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #628353
    buell
    534 Posts

    Snurfer, those blocks that keep the bellow from flexing are for skiing. At least that is my interpretation. For skinning I just let the boots flex. It is really nice.

    #628354
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @buell wrote:

    Snurfer, those blocks that keep the bellow from flexing are for skiing. At least that is my interpretation. For skinning I just let the boots flex. It is really nice.

    Awesome! Thx for the clarification…

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #628355
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    I just got a pair of Scarpa F! shims blocks that slide into the Dynafit TLT crampon bracket. I have been out once touring with the shims blocks. [They float like a Dynafit crampon without teeth].

    I was having trouble the the G3 8mm climbing heel falling down as my F1 boot bellows flexed. I think the F! shim and 21mm heel will fix this issue for me. I switch from G3 8mm to 21mm dual climbing heels. I need to get our more to see if this is a better will resolve the heel bail falling down while skinning up.

    Pro:
    The Shims seem to improve skiing and skinning up. This shim raise the heel from 8mm to 21mm. Better boot contact.

    Con:
    The Dynafit toe and Scarpa F1 already ski well without the shims for touring, Altough a little flex under bellows. IMO, not an issue for Split- ski touring but may be this issue in skinning up.

    The shims are something else to carry and add weight.

    That said, I would not use the direct mount Scarpa shim (a shim which is mounted with two wood screws) under the bellows, aft of the dynafit binding as this impede using a B&D Dynafit crampon.

    Note: the shim still allows for a natural fiex of the bellows.

    #628356
    dishwasher-dave
    460 Posts

    Using the F1/3’s you can tour w/o the shim, but then it’s more possible to come out of the dyna toes. You also lose a small amount of energy when the bellows sage when weighted. This sagging doesn’t really do anything positive for you and with the shims you still get normal comfortable below compression.

    On the Sierra High Route last year, I used F3’s w/o shims and it worked, but I did pop out maybe 5 times (over 6 days) and of course I always disengaged at rather puckery times.

    I’m just a dumb snowboarder, but I don’t think a non-belowed AT boot or a shimmed belowed boot would have popped out.

    The voile ski crampons are sort of a solution to this dilemma. The permanent thing that stays on your ski/split works as a shim (although it still allows a mm or so of sag, I’ve been meaning to build it up with epoxy).

    #628357
    buell
    534 Posts

    For those of you who use the shims for touring, do they adjust upward to support the boot when you use the heel risers?

    I have toured quite a bit on the bellowed Scarpas without the shims. Sometimes in some pretty sketchy situations that put a lot of load on the dynafit piece (steep, frozen corn on the volcanoes). I have never come out of the toe piece. That piece must hold the toe of the boot when skiing so it can handle a lot more load than it gets when we are skinning.

    The toepiece has several release settings so a skier can set the release point in case they crash or are in an avalanche. DD, are you clicking the locking lever up to get the highest setting? If you only click it once or twice, it is easy to come out.

    #628358
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Buell: Any updates on how the cube-modded F1s rode this past 2011/2012season?

    #628359
    buell
    534 Posts

    I switched to dynafit tlt5s for this year so they sat on a shelf.

    #628360
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Buell: can you offer a comparison between the TLT5 and the Scarpa F1: both in stock from and then in their respected modified form?

    #628361
    buell
    534 Posts

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    Buell: can you offer a comparison between the TLT5 and the Scarpa F1: both in stock from and then in their respected modified form?

    The fit is quite similar between the two boots. Very snug, low profile, and light. Without the magic cube mod on the F1s, they both hike and skin really well. The TLTs are definitely better for more technical skinning without the bellow to flex off. Between Rebecca and myself, I have seen several pairs of Scarpa and Dynafit boots. My opinion is that the Dynafits are consisitently a higher quality boot.

    I only rode the F1s stock for a day. It was also a while back. I think stock F1 to stock TLT5 without the tongue insert, the F1s were a bit stiffer. Both boots are a bit stiff laterally. I will likely look into softening the lateral flex of the TLTs.

    Removing the locking bar on the F1 is comparable to walk mode on the TLT5. The TLT might have more backward motion though. I have no heel side with this option on either boot. That is why I added the magic cube to the F1s and modded the ski/walk bar on the TLTs.

    The TLTs skin and walk so much better than the magic cubed F1s. The backward range of motion is tremendous on the TLTs and quite restricted even on the lowest setting of the magic cubed F1s. I am not sure about how the TLTs compare to non modified F1s but I expect they have more range as well.

    #628362
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Thanks :thumpsup:

    #628363
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    How can I obtain a pair of Bent Metal Cubes?

    #628364
    walove
    65 Posts

    i’ve got an extra set, message me your address and i’ll send some out.

    #628365
    Dr.Den
    1 Posts

    My Scarpa F1 cuff was splits. How can I obtain right cuff?

    http://www.wildsnow.com/4292/backcountry-skiing-scarpa/

    #628366
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Looking for Scarpa F1 Race boots, I came across this image of a modified Scarpa F1. Looks like this would work well for splitboarding:

    Also found a Splitboard.com post by “burton”:

    My Scarpa F1 Modi´ROCKS :thatrocks:

    See:
    http://www.wildschnee.de/wildschnee-blog/tipps/hardboot-tuning

    While the TLT5 has gained prominence as the splitboard hardboot (glad to see this happen). The Scarpa F1 is a viable hardboot and can often be found for a bargain!

    #628367
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    I run the F3s. I have done mods on the cuff, walk/ride mode bar, high backs, and removed the booster strap.

    Has anyone tried to removing the top buckle completely and move the booster strap into the same position?

    #628368
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    So this is a fun one. My F1s, size 26 had a shell weight of 1105g. Removing the top cable buckle, walk mode contraption and the various t-nuts netted me a shell weight of 961g. Mounted a 74g Atomic Micro ski boot buckle to the top cuff for an estimated final weight of 1035g. Scale is telling me 1013g…. Must be the holes in the washers I used. Heh. I think if knock out the 2″ metal bar in the back as well I can get the shell down to under a kilo and get some rearward flex out of it as well.

    Also, any recommendations on larger diamter rivets that set flat? My hardware store junk mushroom head pretty good.

    That was Pontus

    #628369
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    Weights so far, 1022g without Intuition ProTour Liner, 1306g with liner (per boot). Weight penalties definitely come from the Atomic buckles and mounting hardwear. Removed the rear Dynafit pin thingamajig from the reae heel welt, left the mounting bar (for cuff lock & walk mode mount) in the upper shell for the time being, if I need a bit more rearward flex I can drill out the rivets and pop it out, maybe grind some more plastic. Still have to zip 5mm off the bolts for the cubes. Lost some rearward movement in walk mode given the dimension of the cubes, still loads better flex/movement in walk mode vs Malamutes in Spark Burners. Still the best fitting, comfiest boot I’ve worn yet, should shred even better now!

    That was Pontus

    #628370
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Dave, got any pics of your F1 boot mods?

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