Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Pants…for the BC. Suggestions.
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  • #567544
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    So im tired of carting my heavy Burton AK pants into the BC where i end up tearing them up with crampons or getting soaking wet…blah blah blah…

    So im wondering what everyone is rocking. What do ya like?

    Im thinking Light, Gore-Tex XCR, waterproof zippers, suspenders, GoGo Gadget Springs….

    #586984
    ssattler
    77 Posts

    i use a pair of Sierra Designs full-bibs, not even Gore Tex, but breathable, and have a huge side-zip pocket on the chest part of the bib that i use constantly.

    there are more expensive pants out there, but i don’t see the point, these are working fine.

    #586985
    dfinn
    138 Posts

    I got myself a cheap pair of Planet Earth domain pants. It sounds like you are looking for something more “tech” than these but I thought I’d offer the suggestion. They were right around $100 but you can also found last years pants on ebay for $50. They are rated at 10,0000 for waterproof and so far they’ve kept me just as dry as my AK pants. They are light and simple. I’ve been using these as my dedicated BC pants because I don’t get as hot in them as I do in my AK pants and they have been working out really well.

    #586986
    NoKnees
    336 Posts

    My last pair of “high output” pants, read, the ones that actually vent when hiking, etc, just bit the dust thanks to a minor altercation with a tree.

    One thing I’ve noticed is with a lot of newer pants they have zippered vents on the inside of the thighs, rather than the outside. Doesn’t seem as split friendly to me. Anyone have any input here?

    Anyway, I’m looking around for some new ones…. I’ll let you guys know what I turn up for cheap, or at least on sale.

    Greg - NoKnees

    #586987
    refried
    93 Posts

    Happy with my Arc’teryx Minuteman pants, pricey, but if you can find a deal they’re well worth it. they also make a bib version thats real nice (wish I had them every powder day). Had a Pair of XCR pants from MEC that were fairly cheap that are still waterproof but have too many holes to wear anymore.

    #586988
    dfinn
    138 Posts

    you might want to check backcountry.com, they have a pretty big sale going on now.

    #586989
    Yoda
    264 Posts

    Hey affix snow
    I’m rocking the new Stingray pant from Arcteryx. It’s Gore Softshell fabric that’s pretty light, with a brushed lining (Gore calls it flannel lined instead of a tricot 3-ply lining) for added warmth. It also has a little stretch due to the softshell properties. It is adorned with full water tight zips, adjustable waist, and the best part for crampon resistance is Schoeller Kevlar infused fabric panels at the inside ankles. They are one of the few pants that you can get in long lengths and they have a clean classic Arcteryx look with a touch of Burton on the styling.
    http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?prod=3767
    I actually work for Mammut, but we currently don’t offer (in the USA) any pants that would work well for snowsports. Next year Mammut will have some awesome new snow-sport specific pants with attention to BC applications and with some Burton flavor in the styling as well. Maybe you can hold out.
    I’m curious how your AK (Gore-tex) pants are getting soaking wet – are they wetting-out on the outside or soaking through? It could be possible that the DWR is worn off and the face fabric is wetting-out and then when you sweat the Gore can’t breathe because of the wetting-out effect, therefore causing it to become wet on the inside, giving it the feel as though its soaking through. Or is you Gore broken?

    #586990
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    I have an old (10+ years) pair of Burton Universe pants that has been been repaired multiple times, and I will keep using them until they fall apart. I haven’t been able to find anything that has quite the same combination of features that I like:

    – Full side zips, with no velcro flaps covering it. They are also easy to open with one hand (no tugging at those super-tight waterproof ones, these things are for snow). This means it’s very easy to regulate venting while skinning without having to stop.

    – Slightly insulated. I wear either a single lightweight or midweight capilene layer underneath and I’m good to go in just about any conditions, unless it starts getting into the single digits or lower. This even works OK with lightweight capilene on hot spring days because I can open the side zips all the way, and still have the lightweight layer underneath and not have to worry about sunburnt legs.

    – They have these little removable kneepads, like 1/4″ thick foam. Just enough to be really useful but not obtrusive. Aside from just being nice when you’re taking a break on the board, these are useful around camp.

    I like these pants so much I have considered trying to find someone who can make a custom pair that’s exactly the same. If anyone knows of another make that matches this description please let me know. The closest thing I’ve found was a model by Marmot, I think it was called Jackson? I don’t think they make it anymore though.

    #586991
    breschneid
    35 Posts

    @refried wrote:

    Happy with my Arc’teryx Minuteman pants, pricey, but if you can find a deal they’re well worth it. they also make a bib version thats real nice (wish I had them every powder day). Had a Pair of XCR pants from MEC that were fairly cheap that are still waterproof but have too many holes to wear anymore.

    I second that. I’ve got a pair of Minuteman Bibs, and i’ve been incredibly happy with them, both in and out of bounds. Great fit, super tech, waterproof zippers, Gore-tec XCR, vents from knee to hip on the outside, built in gaiter… definitely my pant of choice. Also, it comes in in short, reg., and tall sizes, which is great since i’m 6’4″ and most “one length fits all” pants are too short…

    Yoda – what do you do for Mammut? I’ve worked at Climb High/Mammut USA (retail) for a number of years here in Vermont. I would be interested in seeing what our Swiss friends have in store for next year, I haven’t had the chance to check any future releases out yet.

    #586992
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    Thanx all! Great suggestions! So it looks like te Arc’Teryex has the most votes….ill have to look into them a lil’ more!

    Yoda, My AK’s are just wetting on the outsde….i should have ben more specific. But its annoying cause it freezes and might add some weight…blah blah blah…..

    Basically they are not as well suited to the BC as id like. They are too baggy, heavy, and ive torn up the insides of the cuffs due to crampons….

    Has anyone tried the Cloudveil Koven’s?

    #586993
    powpowhunter
    33 Posts

    I have an old (10+ years) pair of Burton Universe pants that has been been repaired multiple times, and I will keep using them until they fall apart. I haven’t been able to find anything that has quite the same combination of features that I like:

    I was rockin the same pants until this season. Those pants were so bomber. I still use em every once in a while, as they are still going strong. My only complaint was that they could be too hot, especially in the spring, even with just boxers on underneath, but man, what a killer pant. Now I’m using some patagonia XCR gore jobbies that I got a great deal on at the Dillon, Mt. outlet. I don’t think they would be worth pating full price for. My advice for pants is something lightweight, with good ventilation (full two way side zips), and very waterproof. I prefer uninsulated shells, and regulating temp with base layers.

    #586994
    Yoda
    264 Posts

    Hey breschneid
    I,m the northern CA & NV sales rep for Mammut.
    Mammut has a couple of new pants coming out in their Snow line with 2 different fabric options. The new Alaska pant will have Gore Softshell fabric throughout. The new Atlas pant is a hybrid pant using lightweight 3-ply Drytech waterproof/breathable fabric with some panels of Schoeller WB-400 softshell fabric in key areas to maximize breathability and mobility. They both are simularly cut (not to baggy) with a low profile cargo pocket on the leg and some Burton flavor in the styling along with all the tech features and construction. The pants will be available in regular and long lengths and 3 color options. I can’t wait till Fall, the Alaska pant is what I have my eye on, however the more I think about the construction on the Atlas pant, I’m thinking it may be a better pant for splitboarding because of the breathable (where you need it) hybrid design. Maybe I’ll get both! Cheers

    #586995
    Scooby2
    619 Posts

    Hey affix, Nothing breathes like a wide open full side zip pant. The three-layer fabrics are usually lighter and more durable on the inside surface. Bibs are no bueno- at least too hot in my opinion (Utah) I like suspenders, But there are some who don’t. I’ve never liked the softshell idea in pants, because when the weather threatens to genuinely wet you feel better, and if you can unzip below your knee, breathability is max.
    You could just hose down the pants you have with scotch guard, but if they don’t have side vents maybe it is time to spend. I kinda like the velcro on the zippers b/c you can close up with velcro when the wind gusts a bit and then open easily on stormy days, and I commonly forget to zip up the sides sometimes on descent.

    #586996
    Yoda
    264 Posts

    @scooby2 wrote:

    Hey affix, Nothing breathes like a wide open full side zip pant. The three-layer fabrics are usually lighter and more durable on the inside surface. Bibs are no bueno- at least too hot in my opinion (Utah) I like suspenders, But there are some who don’t. I’ve never liked the softshell idea in pants, because when the weather threatens to genuinely wet you feel better, and if you can unzip below your knee, breathability is max.
    You could just hose down the pants you have with scotch guard, but if they don’t have side vents maybe it is time to spend. I kinda like the velcro on the zippers b/c you can close up with velcro when the wind gusts a bit and then open easily on stormy days, and I commonly forget to zip up the sides sometimes on descent.

    Scooby2 implied that softshell construction in pants was not favorable for wet conditions.
    I wated to clarify the softshell term. True softshells have no coatings or membrains and no seam tape for waterproofness. As Scooby said in really wet weather they can get soaked. Unfortunately the clothing industry has capitalized on the softshell buzz and now are offing waterproof/breathable softshells – which are really a soft-hand hardshells. Gore is a perfect example of this mis-marketing. However some true softshells are more water resistant than others (i.e. Schoeller WB-400 vs. Dryskin) and hybrid construction gives you complete security when it gets wet. Mammut makes full softshell pants for someone looking for max breathablity all the way to full Gore XCR or Gore Softshell (both in 3-ply) which is a completely waterproof/breathable for wet and nasty conditions.
    One fact about true softshells – if you are really working hard and putting off a lot of heat and sweat, I promise that you will stay dryer than in a hard shell in wet weather and without having to open vents… the reason is your body is working and with the true softshell design, it allows for that heat to release and creates a blowdryer effect to the fabric -constantly drying it out. If your just standing there in the rain or wet snow not moving for a long period of time then you could get wet.

    #586997
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    One other thing I was going to mention – to get some extra life out of the old pants, check out Nikwax Tech Wash (for cleaning) and TX.Direct (for re-waterproofing). Works great and you just put it in the washing machine.

    About the size zips, I don’t like the vecro overflap because when I’m skinning I want to be able to reach down and unzip with one hand, not have to undo a bunch of velcro first. It would be cool if you could velcro the flap itself out of the way of the zipper when you don’t need it. Marmot has this feature on some of its jackets, dunno about the pants though.

    #586998
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Holly crap! I agree with you about the ak’s sucking! I have like 8 holes all over these pants. They are like paper. I fell on a rail the other day and ripped 2 new holes. I put 2 from crampons ice climbing but that was my fault I admit. The rest I don’t even know how they got there. I got more duct tape on these pants than any before. I’m just glad I didn’t pay full price. they shure fit nice though. 3 layer gore-tex is neet and all but it obviously doesn’t affect durability.

    #586999
    dfinn
    138 Posts

    If you are really having issues with the AK pants that aren’t due to you abusing them Burton will most likely fix or replace them. I think it was 2 years ago that the AK stuff started coming with a life time warranty. I had the 3L AK pants from a couple of years ago and the vent zipper started to come unattached from the pant. I sent them back and they gave me the choice of repiaring them or sending me new ones. I got a brand new set of this years pants. I loved my old AK pants and so far I really like this years. They are a little on the heavy side though.

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