Forums Boots Nuptse Sizing?
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  • #572182
    bcd
    232 Posts

    I think I’m going to give the Nuptse a try. But I won’t get a chance to try them on first, so I’m wondering how accurate the sizing is.
    Do they run big, small, true to size?

    I’ll probably put a stiffer thermo liner in them at some point, if that makes a difference.

    #620989
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    I have a climbing partner that says they run true to size, but I can’t comment personally.

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #620990
    nothingmuch
    358 Posts

    I would say true, but on the wide side.

    I’d get them at zappos or here: http://mtntools.com/

    so that if they don’t fit you can easily exchange.

    i’ve never seen them at an actual shop outside of chamonix

    #620991
    wavy
    198 Posts

    They seem to run true to size, though I haven’t had a ton of shoes in European sizes, but the three I’ve owned have all been 42 including my Nuptses. I didn’t find that they ran wide. What size are you? I might be willing to loan them to test out. Personally, I’ve given up on them for riding purposes.

    #620992
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    Are you all talking about this as a boarding boot? I find this very interesting if that’s the case. 😮

    I was almost ready to go with hard boots for a number of reasons(weight, boot pack/crampons, etc), until yesterday when I hiked for many hours in my softboots. I don’t think hiking dry rocky trail would have been any less unpleasant in AT boots, in fact I’m pretty certain I’d have been in bare feet had that been the case.
    So, I am very intrigued by the prospect of riding mountaineering boots with mountain plates.

    Tell me more

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #620993
    Shep
    525 Posts

    Hard to do in anything but super powder. Carving an edge with a leather, or even a plastic, mountaineering boot is really tough. Some people have modded their mtn plates with highbacks, which I think would make it considerably easier. That said, my laces got really loose really quickly due to toe-side turns too. I have used mountaineering boots in strap bindings with great success though.

    Thanks,
    Shep

    #620994
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @Shep wrote:

    Hard to do in anything but super powder. Carving an edge with a leather, or even a plastic, mountaineering boot is really tough. Some people have modded their mtn plates with highbacks, which I think would make it considerably easier. That said, my laces got really loose really quickly due to toe-side turns too. I have used mountaineering boots in strap bindings with great success though.
    Thanks,
    Shep

    Thx! Good info…. :thumpsup: My interest in order are
    1-Hiking potentially long approaches
    2-Step in Crampons
    3-Weight savings
    Sticking with strap binders is a reasonable trade off for the first two.

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #620995
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    @Snurfer wrote:

    2-Step in Crampons

    Curious about this…do you mean both a toe and heel bale attachment or a hybrid strap/heel bale design? I personally have never felt the need for a toe bale (though I only climb WI4). Believe Steve House hit the Rupal face in a strap/heel bale hybrid crampon in the Nuptse.

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #620996
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @96avs01 wrote:

    @Snurfer wrote:

    2-Step in Crampons

    Curious about this…do you mean both a toe and heel bale attachment or a hybrid strap/heel bale design? I personally have never felt the need for a toe bale (though I only climb WI4). Believe Steve House hit the Rupal face in a strap/heel bale hybrid crampon in the Nuptse.

    Likely just the heel. More a matter of ease of putting them on relative to the clown boots (soft boots).

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #620997
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    Though you likely have a better deal, here’s an offering for 35% off from STP…limited sizes

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #620998
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @96avs01 wrote:

    Though you likely have a better deal, here’s an offering for 35% off from STP…limited sizes

    That’s a good deal, but not in my size. I actually ordered from Gear X (399.00) last night and I’m already having buyers remorse. Searched and found some older threads and know questioning if this is a good option for anything but powder. Who knows I may have a pair of size 44 for sale very soon 😳

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #620999
    wavy
    198 Posts

    @Snurfer wrote:

    and know questioning if this is a good option for anything but powder.

    That’s what I’ve found, and they ride ok in mellow terrain, two places where you need them the least and would likely opt for soft boots anyway :banghead:
    I’m interested to see if bcd can make it work somehow, I know he’s done some cool mods with mtn plates and high backs, so I’m guessing if anyone could figure it out, he could. So bcd, let us know if you figure out a good option for the Nuptses!
    I swapped the stock liner with a snowboard boot liner that had a nice cinching system attached, but the liner itself was far from stiff. Even with this setup my calves would KILL me on anything where it was critical/challenging to hold an edge. I thought about getting some other liners but at this point I just don’t want to dump any more money into trying to figure it out. Great boots otherwise though…

    #621000
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    bcd: I would say true to size as well, I am a 28 modo in most things, and that size was right for me as a shell fit for the Nuptse. I seriously considered trying to make these work for awhile, to the point of trying them on at the shop, and strapping in to a board, and here are my thoughts:
    Like most mountaineering boots they are a little low in the ankle.
    The forward flex is way too soft for me with the stock liners.
    The boot has a longer footprint than a similar size soft boot, or hard boot, so board width and boot overhang needs to be carefully considered.
    Because the heel is raised in comparison to a snowboard boot, it is impossible to get the heel of the boot all the way back into the heel cup on a stock binding.
    I planned the following mods to overcome the problems:
    Use a Intuition overlap liner to raise the cuff of the boot, and perhaps add some plastic reinforcement to the front of the liner to beef up the forward flex a little. In the past I have had good results gluing pieces of plastic to the Intuition and thermoflex liners with barge cement.
    Add a beefy powerstrap to the top of the Intuition liner.
    Modify the heel cup of a binding to allow the heel of the boot to go all the back into the heel cup. On aluminum heel loops this could be accomplished by cutting away material from the lower edge of the heel loop.
    Instead of going the mountaineering boot route I decided to experiment with hard boots, and I ended up finding success with a highly modified Dynafit Zzero 3. Now I have a hard boot set up with as much flex as my Driver Xs, that also weighs less than any soft boot set up.
    bcd-if you get them I look forward to hearing how they are working for you.

    #621001
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Snurfer: I do not enjoy hiking dry rocky trail for any distance in a mountaineering boot (Nupste) a snowboard boot (Driver X) or a hard boot (Dynafit Zzero 3). If I am planning a tour, or trip that features significant distances on dry ground I will always carry the boots and wear a lightweight pair of trail runners. Remember, the mountaineering boots feature very stiff soles for climbing performance, and they can beat one up a bit on long hikes over dry trail and rocks.
    Less weight on the feet is also more efficient for hiking, and the extra weight of carrying the trail runners is minimal.

    #621002
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    Snurfer: I do not enjoy hiking dry rocky trail for any distance in a mountaineering boot (Nupste) a snowboard boot (Driver X) or a hard boot (Dynafit Zzero 3). If I am planning a tour, or trip that features significant distances on dry ground I will always carry the boots and wear a lightweight pair of trail runners. Remember, the mountaineering boots feature very stiff soles for climbing performance, and they can beat one up a bit on long hikes over dry trail and rocks.
    Less weight on the feet is also more efficient for hiking, and the extra weight of carrying the trail runners is minimal.

    Barrows, very good info. Thx :headbang:
    Def throwing the Salomon runners on next time I do a long approach, and already talked to Gear X about the likely return of the Nuptse’. On the other hand I started life (boarding life that is) wearing high top Van’s, then Sorel’s, and I ride mostly powder, so…. who knows maybe I’ll love them :scratch:

    BTW… If anyone has clear photos of how they have solved the hard boot dilemma of being high off the board (i.e., mountain plate + slider plate) I’d probably give hard boots another look.

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #621003
    Shep
    525 Posts

    Snurfer, don’t freak out… I was doing jump turns and 40-ish degree suncrust in the sierras last year in my Millet leather mountaineering boots w/ strap bindings. I think they work 95% as well as snowboard boots in strap bindings, with the advantage of better rock scrambling and crampon compatibility.

    Shep

    #621004
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    @Shep wrote:

    Snurfer, don’t freak out… I was doing jump turns and 40-ish degree suncrust in the sierras last year in my Millet leather mountaineering boots w/ strap bindings. I think they work 95% as well as snowboard boots in strap bindings, with the advantage of better rock scrambling and crampon compatibility.

    Shep

    Cool :thumpsup: I appreciate the reassurance on the performance…. Its nice to get a good cross section of opinions.

    And since I totally hijacked the thread, I will be sure and post my opinion on sizing since that was the original topic. 😉

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #621005
    bcd
    232 Posts

    Thanks guys, that helps solve the sizing issue. I’m still undecided, though.

    I’d be using them with a highback, for sure. Either Sparks or my homemade bindings:
    viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2029

    I’ve been using the old Koflach Oxygen boots for the last few years, and I don’t think these will be much different as far as flexibility. I put a pair of really stiff thermo liners in them, which helps a lot, and I’m planning on doing the same with the Nuptse’s. I really like the setup I have right now, but the Oxygen’s are hard to come by. Seems like the Nuptse is as close as I’m gonna get.

    #621006
    dacksdescents
    50 Posts

    its worth looking at this boot as well. http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/835

    #621007
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    First let me say, other than the weight and the boot length vs. board width, these are just my opinions. Others might have a totally different take.
    Also, due to the return policy all testing on the board, walking, etc., had to be performed in my house. Dirt/Wear on boots = no return. So take this rudimentary revue for what it is. :twocents:

    Weight and Fit

    Driver X = 5.4 lbs (Sz 9.5)
    Nuptse = 6.4 lbs (Sz 44)
    I’d be better off with a 43 in this boot. Perhaps even a 42, like my softboots.
    *I tend to ride softboots a half size small and all other shoes a half, to full size larger.
    EDIT: My driver X liners slid right into the Nuptse’s and caused them to feel more like the proper size
    On the board / Strap binders (Ignition II bases,w/ Ride mid back)
    These boots are very long heel to toe. Significant binder adjustment required to center over board. Even then, still pushes the point of toe and heel drag. [significant defined as “have to do” every time going from Nuptse to Driver X] 😥
    Feels really nice strapped in, would likely ride quite well. :thumpsup:
    *I don’t have mountain plates, but it seems like heel side carving wouldn’t work for me. The boot just doesn’t have enough forward lean built in.

    Off the board
    These would be killer for booting up in! :thumpsup:
    Walking for a long way would be very weird. :nononno:

    Other
    Way too much shoe lace going on here for me. The liner laces are loooooong! :scratch:
    Weird to get into, the liner wants to smash down into the boot and it has nothing on which to grab (no pull tab). Liner also seems too short for this boot. :scratch:
    Construction is very cool and looks very solid. :thumpsup:

    Bottom line
    Returning, or selling these boots.

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

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