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  • #576734
    chrisNZ
    304 Posts

    http://www.kroniclemag.com/mtnapproach-announces-2012-pro-team/

    MTNAPPROACH Snowboard Team:
    Wyatt Caldwell, Mark Carter, Laura Hadar, Bryan Iguchi, Scotty Lago, Desiree Melancon, Chad Otterstrom, Shayne Pospisil, Neil Provo, Austin Smith, Austen Sweetin

    Gaining traction! I dnt think there is any line you couldn’t ride a splitboard on now, but i guess this might work for some kicker sessions or pow surfing. Gota suck having them in your pack for the way down though. Has anyone tried these out?

    #654368
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    “I’m stoked to go bag some couloirs that I’ve been looking at for years. I wouldn’t take a split up there, but this is perfect, now I can ride ‘em on my snowboard.”- The ‘guch
    :thumbsdown:
    No disrespect meant, but I don’t buy that for a second. I will be curious to see these “couloirs” he’s talking about.

    #654369
    summersgone
    820 Posts

    I saw someone using it about a month ago. He had a large snowboard on his back. He was hitting multiple branches, looked completely worked, and uncomfortable, and I blew by him on the skin track. This was about 1 hr up the skin track, and he went about 1/2 my speed. I asked him how he liked it, and he said “I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone, it sucks”. This was on a 1800ft hike, he was at about 900ft, in about 2 hours. I can’t say how he did on the down, because I was down by the time he probably was 3/4 the way up. He was a splitboarder and said he’d much rather splitboard on anything over 30 minutes.

    He did say that he thought it could be good for short hikes or sled / snowboard riding, <30 minute hikes. Probably would be good for mini golf terrain. But I think mini golf terrain is lame, I prefer to ride over 1K in a run. I'll take more weight on my feet if I don't have to have it lugged on my back.

    I’m also questioning the booter arguement. What are you going to do, hike up, put it on your back and have a bunch of swing weight? Leave it at the top of the line and boot up after? I’m just not getting the point of the system. Its also just as expensive as a splitboard (or more).

    I also have rode way heavier lines on my splitboard then my solid board. And it is completely comfortable to me. Solid board I don’t think gives you much unless you are spinning off cliffs.

    The heavy hitters may come from the fact that the owner works for smith, and he has contact with them, and leverage for them to try it. I think its still a ridiculous system. Thats just me, no thanks.

    #654370
    keffler
    319 Posts

    I’m just glad these are not part of a government mandate. I’m sure the free market will kill these things off in the near future. Sorry, just don’t see the point of them, but do appreciate the engineering. No thanks, give me a split any day of the week. Now verts, I think that’s a different story.

    #654371
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @keffler wrote:

    I’m just glad these are not part of a government mandate. I’m sure the free market will kill these things off in the near future. Sorry, just don’t see the point of them, but do appreciate the engineering. No thanks, give me a split any day of the week. Now verts, I think that’s a different story.

    LOL! But lets not get political about it 😉

    Honestly, these might make sense for a short approach to a backcountry kicker, which one would then boot up and session all afternoon (lets face it, most of the listed riders do not get up early for big lines). Carrying a board on one’s back, and the additional weight, makes zero sense for anyone looking to cover some distance and ride big lines. And, for deep pow approaches/climbing, these make no sense at all, as the reduced surface area will make skinning in deep conditions a real chore.
    What is disturbing about the marketing campaign behind these is the underlying theme that somehow splitboards are not capable enough to handle serious lines; this is pure BS, and it is too bad that these folks are contributing to this myth. Come on guys, splitboards rip the most serious of lines all the time, really now!

    #654372
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    @summersgone wrote:

    I also have rode way heavier lines on my splitboard then my solid board. And it is completely comfortable to me.

    yep

    #654373
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    What is disturbing about the marketing campaign behind these is the underlying theme that somehow splitboards are not capable enough to handle serious lines; this is pure BS, and it is too bad that these folks are contributing to this myth. Come on guys, splitboards rip the most serious of lines all the time, really now!

    For sure! hence my confusion and general distaste for the Guch’s quote… with all due respect, maybe someone should buy him a copy of Deeper 😀
    I can see certain sidecountry and booter applications (as others have said), but anyone who gets serious about shredding in the backcountry will eventually convert. Besides local MT ripper Mike Harrelson. That guy has gotten it done on approach skis for years.

    #654374
    Splityheaven
    59 Posts

    Why would anyone want to carry the board up the hill and then ride back down with the weight of extra skis ever? The split set up i ride is as good as any solid i have riden ever, in any condition. Maybe untill the Sparks came out there was a compromise, but not now. This is my opinion from many years on snowshoes, approach skis, boot pack and splitboards. Splitboarding is the answer!

    http://www.sparkrandd.com/2011/05/malay-day-and-methods/

    From ice boiler plate at A basin early season, to any type of deep pow, 1/2 pipe to steep burly lines, a splitboard can be as good as any solid board, in any condition. The technology is only going to keep growing.

    #654376

    shits weak. those riders probably skin those things once a year for a mile to a photo shoot on close-in terrain. they are too busy with other things like x-games, heli riding, snowmo romping and booter hittin. (and for laura hadar maybe some silly backside ladyslide down a tiny handrail)

    my splitboard is just fine thank you very much and i have ridden as gnarly of a line on that thing that i would ever want to ride.

    why dont they at least put a lt bracket on there or the edison system?

    why is neil provo on there? i doubt he traded in a split to skin those.

    otterstrom is cool though. hes had my vote since his opening section of kingpins 1998 movie “the revival”.

    #654377
    philip.ak
    679 Posts

    Holy f**k those things are expensive. 😯 I was thinking like $300 max.

    #654378
    powslash
    382 Posts

    @christoph benells wrote:

    (and for laura hadar maybe some silly backside ladyslide down a tiny handrail)

    Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Laura has chops. MTN approach will go the way of the clicker.
    [youtube:2pjybx1e]qOfVOjf7Pf4[/youtube:2pjybx1e]

    #654379
    aksltxlt
    621 Posts

    Its true, there definitly throwin product out to peeps in the sceen….And Ive been touring with hooked up dudes on these. (Slow and sweatin on the skintrak 😆 ) But besides the fact that your carrying your board on the up…. On the way down your pack is as heavy as an overnight pack :scratch: And IT IS all about the down, and a heavy ass pack compromises the ride way more than any splitty would

    #654380
    Rico in AZ
    559 Posts

    lets remember that cory smith, the man behind mtn approach, and silverton native son, has provided some quality splitboard stoke here over the years.

    i’d wish him the best on diversifying the backcountry market (while recognizing mtn approach’s limitations). i wouldn’t dare call cory a backcountry neophyte.

    only time will tell.

    #654375
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    I am curious to see what the “market” decides on this one.

    #654381
    silver
    167 Posts

    Although I generally agree with a lot of folks stated reservations, assuming it’s durable and works as stated, I could see it as a good a loaner set up to have to take friends out into the backcountry.

    With a DIY your buddy is probably not going to be riding there preferred stance/shape/length and it is still significantly cheaper than buying what you need to approximate the riding performance of a solid (split/pack/skins and splitspecific bindings= lots of dough). It also looks a lot simpler for a neophyte than dealing with ripping skins and transitioning bindings. Still, it’s hard to imagine it’s $700 better than the set of snowshoes I already use for this purpose.

    Personally, I could also see taking it out for specific lines, like if there was a decent length low-angle approach followed by a boot-up chute I was planning to shred. You could just ditch the 7 lbs of skis when you start the boot.

    Neither of these has me looking to ditch my split anytime soon, or invest $700 in the system, but then again, regular posters on splitboard.com are probably not the target audience. We shall see if there is a big enough audience out there.

    Personally I wish him the best of luck although I do think the dismissive tone his marketing takes towards splitboarding, like the completely bogus use of the science of lbs on foot vs. pounds on back for splitting, is pretty douchey.

    #654382
    powderjunkie
    1669 Posts

    I’m with rico on this one.

    pretty easy to sit here and bag on the product and the riders.

    I wouldn’t buy a pair for all the reasons stated, but who cares if these pros accept a sponsor. it may have more do to with them being able to still ride their pro model and not DIY split it.

    #654383
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    @silver wrote:

    Personally I wish him the best of luck although I do think the dismissive tone his marketing takes towards splitboarding, like the completely bogus use of the science of lbs on foot vs. pounds on back for splitting, is pretty douchey.

    And here lies the problem. Too much condescending talk of splitboarding in his marketing. He has a nice design, no doubt, but who are we kidding?

    How about terrain where split-skiing is the mode of travel? How about terrain where you have to boot (over 50% of tours I do)? Are you going to put the approach ski and snowboard on your back? Ha-ha!

    For mini golf I’ll take some verts, put in the booter and you’re done. Any other time the split will dominate!

    #654384
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    @powderjunkie wrote:

    I wouldn’t buy a pair for all the reasons stated, but who cares if these pros accept a sponsor. it may have more do to with them being able to still ride their pro model and not DIY split it.

    ^^^^^THIS.

    Obviously this has more to do with marketing and keeping alive the careers of some aging pros than actually contributing to the sport of backcountry snowboarding.

    I’m not sure who would spend 700 bones on a Mtn Approach setup vs. an awesome new powder board plus snowshoes, or a decent splitboard on sale. Apparently MA thinks someone will if they put a few pros names on it.

    And anyone who has any kind of backcountry experience will tell you it sucks lugging your solid board on your back, no matter what.

    From what little mainstream snowboard media I’ve been exposed to, it seems like there are lots of pros/companies not quite sure to make of the whole splitboard phenomenon. No one is really seriously questioning whether it’s a superior ascent system (DUH), but I think most of the companies who bring in the $$$$$ (Forum, YES, etc.) look at what happened to Burton’s venture with splitboarding in the early 2000s and think to themselves ‘it’s a fluke, those dirtbags who buy/make those split things are not a significant part of our market base anyway, they don’t buy our softgoods’.

    While quietly, companies like Venture, Prior and Sparks are carving themselves out a very nice market share of an EXPLODING new market.

    While Jones and Lib will probably sell more boards, they have way more overhead too.

    Prior and Venture don’t have to pay JJ’s and TR’s royalties… 😉

    www.splitlife.net

    #654385
    silver
    167 Posts

    You speak some truth Jefe, but to be perfectly honest, I think many of those mainstream brands are right in their calculations. There is a lot of buzz around splitboarding right now, and that is awesome, but I really don’t see this kind of growth in the market being sustainable. Splitting is hard work and although the idea of endless powder has broad appeal the reality of putting in a big day on the skintrack just doesn’t work for lots of folks. Venture, Prior, etc., will be fine and I’m honestly much happier supporting these smaller shops than sending my money off to any of the larger corporations.

    I’m also looking forward to the flood of lightly used boards I anticipate seeing on the used market in 4-5 years.

    #654386
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    For sure. I don’t see splitting seriously threatening the ski resort/snowboard industry anytime soon. :doobie:

    But I’m goin out on a dubious skin track here and gonna suggest that the same old formula for ‘slap a few pros’ names on it and put it to market’ is not sustainable either.

    And I certainly don’t hold it against Guch or anyone else trying to stay relevant (or even remembered) and make a buck off snowboarding.

    I am already seeing some lightly used boards in the for sale thread from time to time; I totally expect that to increase as well. Good for us! :guinness:

    www.splitlife.net

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