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  • #579610
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    What large radius (sidecut) boards are out there?

    Primarily splits, but solids too.

    There’s the furberg ofcourse, with 16, 18 and 20 meter sidecuts on the 162, 167 and 173 boards.

    There’s the chimera mace at 9.7, 10 and 10.4 meter sidecut on the 161, 165, and 171 boards.

    Everything else seems to come in at 8 meter give or take.

    What else is out there?

    #674867
    permnation
    303 Posts

    Contract Snowboards have the Swell with a 12m and the Code Yeti has 18 or 20m.

    #674868
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @NorwegianDan wrote:

    What large radius (sidecut) boards are out there?

    Primarily splits, but solids too.

    There’s the furberg ofcourse, with 16, 18 and 20 meter sidecuts on the 162, 167 and 173 boards.

    There’s the chimera mace at 9.7, 10 and 10.4 meter sidecut on the 161, 165, and 171 boards.

    Everything else seems to come in at 8 meter give or take.

    What else is out there?

    Dan: The Never Summer Prospector is actually around 9.9 m equivalent radius (if you measure the way Venture does) so it is not too bad. Chimera, may make the Dum Dum, which has been floating around in prototype form for a couple of seasons now, it has around 16-17 m radius.
    Prior and Donek will do semi custom boards with longer radii. With the right design, I am in favor of sidecut radii of 16 m and up, but most snowboard designers are quite conservative, and do not really get it. Thank goodness there is Daniel Furberg, and good for him to buck the silly trends…

    #674869
    permnation
    303 Posts

    Barrows, what happened to your quip about the Odin having a longer sidecut? :scratch:

    #674871
    permnation
    303 Posts

    http://siasnowshow.snowsports.org/supplierdashboard/upload/129/Venture_Catalog_2014.2015.pdf

    Looks like the Odin can be added to the list 16.4-18.1m depending on size. Oh wait that’s sidecut depth. They are not giving the ESR for the Odin

    #674872
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    mmmmmmm
    18m sidecut

    Adam West

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    #674870
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I wanted to get my facts straight.

    So, consider the Odin 165 x 26. With an edge length of 125 cm, and a sidecut depth of 1.7 cm, the calculated equivalent sidecut radius would be 12.3 meters, this is significantly longer sidecut radius than the Odin had previously.
    Thanks for posting the link to the 14/15 Venture specs.

    #674873
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    @firstlight wrote:

    mmmmmmm
    18m sidecut

    Have you got to play with it in Japan yet?

    @j.memay

    #674874
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    4 weeks :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
    Pressing it in two weeks, all ready to go just need a spare weekend to make it happen.

    Will show photos then!

    Adam West

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    #674875
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    whistlermaverick

    Then after Japan, an Ozzie conditions board

    Tailwalker

    16M

    prob 166-168 for the steeeeps in the main range.

    Adam West

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    #674876
    FloImSchnee
    291 Posts
    #674877
    Chimeral
    41 Posts
    barrows wrote:
    …..Chimera, may make the Dum Dum, which has been floating around in prototype form for a couple of seasons now, it has around 16-17 m radius….

    Quote:
    Confirmed: The DumDum has a 16.9 and 17.9m sidecut for the 160 and 168 models, respectively. We actually wrapped up the R&D a while back and are still offering the DumDum this year.
    #674878
    JimmyC
    351 Posts

    The availability of the Dum Dum is great news. Will you be updating your web page with the specs, description, photos of the Dum Dum in the near future?

    #674879
    Chimeral
    41 Posts

    @JimmyC wrote:

    The availability of the Dum Dum is great news. Will you be updating your web page with the specs, description, photos of the Dum Dum in the near future?

    Ahh, I’m embarrassed to say I probably won’t get to the website any time soon (though we are slowly updating it with photos etc). We trickle these special edition shapes in small numbers so they’re usually sold before we build them. Anyone who is interested should definitely get in touch with me, and I will definitely try to keep the forum updated with this kind of thing.

    Jim, I know you’re down with Chimera! I’ll drop you a line and tell you everything I can think of.

    Sorry to derail the conversation.

    #674880
    JimmyC
    351 Posts

    Awesome—-thanks!!!!

    #674881
    PeRi
    110 Posts

    Exactly, the new 14/15 Venture Odin has been resdesigned so now the radius is around 12m
    I have already the 165/26 for next season, can’t wait to try it out!

    www.splitboardmag.com

    #674882
    lernr
    234 Posts

    On a related note: there doesn’t seem to be any large radius board with magnetraction.

    I like magne / vario on deeper sidecut boards, but haven’t been able to ride my Furberg yet to compare grip on hard snow for myself.

    Do people feel that the large radius makes magnetraction unnecessary and it will be too much to have both?

    Cheers
    Ivo

    #674883
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @lernr wrote:

    On a related note: there doesn’t seem to be any large radius board with magnetraction.

    I like magne / vario on deeper sidecut boards, but haven’t been able to ride my Furberg yet to compare grip on hard snow for myself.

    Do people feel that the large radius makes magnetraction unnecessary and it will be too much to have both?

    Cheers
    Ivo

    “Magnetraction” is mostly nonsense, consider, who needs edge grip the most? Alpine snowboard racers; ever seen a race board with “Magnetraction”? OK, so why do we have “Magnetraction” at all, well, the answer is provided by the fact that most boards have way too deep a sidecut, where the edge of the board between the feet (where the rider actually has the most control over the edge pressure) is very hard to even engage with the snow: the “Magnetraction” points actually simulate a less deep sidecut, providing some edge purchase between the feet. My opinion is that “Magnetraction” is a crutch, which partially “solves” the problem caused by sidecuts which are too deep in the first place. Never Summer’s “Vario” solves this problem in a similar fashion, by making the sidecut between the feet an almost straight edge, making it easier to engage.
    Boards with really long radius sidecuts do not need these crutch type fixes, by their nature, long radius sidecuts distribute more edge pressure between the feet, improving edge grip, and the the rider’s control over edge grip. Most who have ridden furberg boards remark about how good the edge hold is, and David Capozzi is doing a bunch of quite extreme descents in the Alps of icy, super steep lines on a furberg.

    #674884
    lernr
    234 Posts

    Hey Barrows –

    yep, I suspected so, that’s why I asked…

    You should be out riding, man! My wife and younger kid are at the resort today having a blast, I have to sit here on the internez lol

    Cheers
    Ivo

    #674885
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Actually, there is too much new snow here, and too much wind to ride today, I basically cancelled after dealing with near zero visibility, hammering wind, and setting off multiple 18″ to 30″ thick soft slabs yesterday. Looks like this storm is finally going to end tomorrow afternoon, then maybe it will be a little safer by Wednesday.iy

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