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  • #569408
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Do any of you have a theory on why you run your particular stance angles that you care to share?

    I’m re-evaluating my choices which has got me thinking. Last season I was riding +21 +6 and this season I’m trying something more like +18 -3.

    I was riding those angle for unknown reasons. When I got a snowboard someone told me +15 0 is the basic stance. Then I rotated them both forward after a while because I liked the feeling of soaring it gave me. Which may or may not be a good reason, I don’t know.

    But last season I started thinking it wasn’t a very versatile setup. Now I’m thinking of a very slight duck stance (-3) so I can involve my rear foot toes in any activity involving the tail. I like having my front foot forward a bit, but didn’t want to open my hips more (aka more than 21 degrees between front and back angles) because it seems like I lose power if I have my knees pointed too far apart.

    Anyway, the new stance feels natural so I guess that’s all that matters. Just wondering if there are any wild theories out there. Esp. from Jon Dahl and any superducks out there.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #600986
    stomppow
    150 Posts

    I’m a superduck, slightly more angle in the front foot since I ride a directional board, but I would like to ride a true twin tip in the bc that floats, with something like +18/-18

    I think as long as your rear foot is pointed a bit towards the tail, like -3, or -6 or whatever, then you get the advantages that duck gives you, as long as you take advantage of them with a lot of lower body/leg/knee control and a solid upper body (just a little shoulder and hip movement, very quiet arms and hands)

    That’s what I like. I used to ride heavy forward stances… now for everything it’s duck

    #600987
    jack
    323 Posts

    another super duck here, i dont know exactly what my split is but i usually set up something like +25/-20. personally, i like the feeling of “scissoring” out my knees, kind of like riding a horse or something. it keeps my knees really bent while keeping my back strait.

    as far as width goes, i always had a closer width setup on my splits than my solids because i figured i was surfing powder not steezing it out in the terrain park or something. lately i widened things a bit on a few of my boards and it is much better in less-than-smooth snow.

    does anyone duck it out in hard boots? can you even do that?

    #600988
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Duck…er..a..modified duck +12/-9 Ride a skateboard or pay attention to your stance on your surfboard. Thats YOUR stance

    hippy 8)

    #600989
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    When I was out east shortly after I learned I rode steep forward angles due to hard boots and narrow boards. I was probably arount +45/+30. This performed great in the situations I rode, carved deeply even in the boiler plate ice of New England. I dropped that habit of riding, but still kept the angles higher than most and have slowly reduced them over time. Now I’m dialed in, and have been for years at +21 to +18 / + 9 to + 6. Every board I ride is a directional, I rarely ride goofy unless to evade a surprise obstacle as I ride down. I used to ride all down hammer down all the time, but now that I get out less and my fitness is a bit below my standards I ride the same style, but at a slower pace.

    I am now in my first split season, have been on my board only a couple of times and will be working to ride AT boots so that I can use them for all phases of a bc trip after failing to get my mountaineering boots stiff enough for the ride. One boot for skinning, hiking, kicking steps, crampons and riding is my desire. I’m keeping the angles on the AT boots at +18/+6 for now.

    #600990
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    When I was first starting out I tried a bunch of different angles, and eventually got to +18/+6 as the most comfortable setup for how I ride. I’ve been riding those angles for years since. It’s not exactly the same as my skate stance, but pretty close – the other thing you have to factor in is boots. When you’re skating or surfing you have a lot more freedom of movement in the ankles compared to snowboard boots. Especially so for hard boots, which I bet is part of the reason most hardbooters have pretty high angles. When I tried high angles I found it was in some ways more comfortable (less upper body twist when going straight, great for carving hardpack), but less versatile overall (try fakie with high angles!).

    #600991
    Unruly Baker
    333 Posts

    @jack wrote:

    does anyone duck it out in hard boots? can you even do that?

    I do, slightly, +18F/-3 to -6R. I’ve been running 3-buckle Garmont Dynamites, Voile Mountain Plates and Voile 4 degree cants (R.I.P. 😥 ). The cants to me are what allow me to ride my stance confortably.

    UB

    #600992
    KnuckleDragger
    41 Posts

    I ride 18/6 because it feels comfortable and natural. I still mess with different angles and go duck now and then but I always seem to end up back at 18/6.

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    @Manmountain Dense wrote:

    I used to run a modified racer-style stance, something like +15/+10, and a good deal wider than shoulder width, which was sort of a hangover from when I first started riding and the board I had was too big for me, and came with the bindings pre-installed at something like +20 and 0 (!) (old old old Burton Elite). I never put any thought into it, I just kind of tried to copy my old boards when I got new ones.

    When I got a job as an instructor, I switched to a very slight duck on my regular board, +6/-6, I shortened my stance width, and I centered it on the board so I run basically a symmetrical twin-tip, because I started riding switch more in order to do demos for goofy-foot students. I found I liked the neutral stance a lot, and that I really enjoy riding switch, so I’ve kept it that way.

    I did find that I couldn’t duplicate those angles on my Mojo because the pucks wouldn’t line up exactly right. So I’m set at +10/-10, with the bindings as close as possible to centered, though the tail is still a bit shorter than the nose. It rides pretty well switch, and so far I barely notice the angle difference from my regular board.

    #600995
    Jon Dahl
    384 Posts

    Jimw, I’ve done some fakie riding at 50f/45r on a directional AM carver with a small kick in the tail. It is different to ride looking under your shoulder…… 😆 I am able to link slower turns that way, just not up to my par that way. Last spring did the same on my 192 Tanker, sure got some looks doing it! 😯

    #600996
    T
    46 Posts

    26/6

    I messed with several different stances a few years ago, but nothing else felt as natural.

    Coincidence that I’m of Irish heritage? Maybe not.

    #600997
    Otto
    98 Posts

    @TEX wrote:

    Ride a skateboard or pay attention to your stance on your surfboard. Thats YOUR stance

    hippy 8)

    Thats exactly how I determined my stance. I used the stance I naturally go towards when I skate. No real need to fuss with something that already works. 30+/15+

    #600998
    vtbackcountry
    440 Posts

    i’m pretty conventional, but it definitely feels right. each to his or her own…

    i basically go 18-3 out west, 21-6 back east, consistent 20′ width, set .5′ back for east and 1″ back for west, on 166-173 cm all mountain boards. i’m 6’2″ 185 lbs. i like the extra 3 degrees forward back east so i’m facing more down the fall line.

    #600999
    Beeg
    17 Posts

    I do think stance is very independent of each person. If if feels good, go with it. I’ve mixed it up plenty and for some reason when I went duck, even only a 3-5 degree on back foot (regular) I experienced some weird phantom pain in my lower leg. Kind of like a shin splint for those who have the unfortunate experience. Started slow, and after a few weeks, turned into excruciating pain. A simple adjustment back to 5-15 front and 0 back, all went back to normal. Bindings, boots, etc can always make a difference, but everyone will find their own preference.

    #601000
    jack
    323 Posts

    wow, may more people are running both feet angled forward than i thought. to me, having both my knees point in the same direction is very unnatural, having my knees “cowboyed out” feels much better. i guess its all personal though….

    i have never surfed, so i wouldn’t know, but i figured most surfers stand with somewhat of a duck stance? do a lot of surfers point both feet forward? its a different sport, but i wonder what the majority does when there are no bindings.

    #601001
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    TEX calls ME of all people a hippie 😈 and then he ducks out his stance like Larry Bertleman or Gerry Lopez! 😛 A lot of those guys would put their heels together for some hippie genuflection in the pocket. But the feet aren’t tied down in surfing so people move them as needed. I’ve always liked how Tom Curren used his feet. I’m actually suprised by all the forward stances too. I thought I was more of an oddball on that.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #601002
    jack
    323 Posts

    those videos were great! i have never really looked at surfing stances before. their feet are so far apart! i am going to have to try things really wide and see how it feels. also, that was sick when Tom Curren put his front hand on his deck during a toe side turn i am going got have to try that too, being that low on a snowboard would be crazy.

    for me, my stance is all about making my knees feel right, since i have nothing else to do, i made a little picture.

    that is how i see things. when my knees get like the second figure, that is when i feel like i have much less control. those of you rockin’ the euro stance, are your knees more like the third figure?

    #601003
    Jon Dahl
    384 Posts

    Not exactly euro, dude! Figure three does it the most justice, except you can’t really picture cant/lift in the stick figures. If you were to look at my legs from straight on, you would see my back knee is out further than my front knee, very slightly. You would probaly never find my back knee touching my front knee from behind even after airing out and landing. Full range of motion is the end goal. I use heel lift and inward cant on my back leg to achieve a relaxed riding position with no strain on my leg muscles. I hope I’ve done a decent job of explaining it, hard to picture it visually in your mind, though.

    #601004
    boredboiseboy
    20 Posts

    I think whats important is your stance allowes your knees to be properly aligned in respect to your body. I ride with my shoulders inline with the board, so I ride 23/-3 to keep my knees flexing in plane with my feet and hips when I flex my knees.

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