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  • #663605
    ACheateaux
    16 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    does this really matter? any skier that bitches about not wanting to wait for you to take 1-2 extra minutes at the top is a douche bag. tell them to chill the fuck out and enjoy the scenery. if they had to wait 2 minutes for you at 5 transitions that is only 10minutes added on to their day. I highly doubt that is going to ruin their day or amount of laps they can do. I have done a handful of skimos races and when competing against a group of skiers in the same fitness level as me I find that I pass a lot of them on the up or at least keep up, fly by them on the down, and lose a little at the transitions. when you add it all up I find that the times are about the same between us.

    the only time I can see an issue with this is when you are with a super fast group that is going to be 5-10 minutes ahead of you anyway. or if you are in a larger group with varying speeds and you end up being last, then the leader can end up waiting for you for a while. really I find that wait times are based more on the speed that you skin at and not the transition. if you keep up with the group you can transition before your skier friend can tell if his gopro is on or not.

    Great comment, except for the whole self serving guide comment. Try not to spam up this thread with your self promoting.

    :))

    #663606
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    Unwritten rules when in mixed company in the BC:
    Skiers wait an extra minute or two for snowboarders at the top.
    Snowboarders wait for skiers when they yardsale and lose skis.
    The longer the wait, the more beer and/or weed to be supplied by the slow party.

    #663607
    Zude
    367 Posts

    does this really matter?

    😛 no, For the most part the skiers that i’ve talked to don’t get splitboarding. Splitboarding is slower on the up and the transistions, why not just learn how to ski? A snowboarder i know was convinced by this argument (bought a whole rando setup) now his buddies wait for him on the up and the down 😆 .
    Frankly i don’t like to wait for my comrades sometimes, other times it’s a necessity in the bc. I used to race mtbs, and hated waiting, but these days i prefer to enjoy the up and the down. It’s really not about attaining the most vert for me, I enjoy the whole experience :deadhorse:

    #663585
    Jamis
    10 Posts

    Boat Shredder wrote:
    What are your tricks to keep up with skiers?


    When you shoot pool what is more important to you ? The first shot or the shot that will be directly after? (or just beer LOL)

    Thinking ahead is my #1 way to win. Its not a competition …..but it is.

    Momentum- knowing when to go first or last to put you out in front. Different lines if required. Wax your damn board!

    Traversing – it kills every boarder. My moto is by all means necessary. Seriously disabaled looking or not i’ll knee board to save face. Can you traverse switch? How is your one foot ability? Ever seen kids at the resort riding from the top to bottom back foot out? Riding one foot out in pow got me through the 6 day wapta traverse.

    Avy work is where efficiency really matters. I cheat as much as possible. Everything from not collapsing my poles to stuffing my skins in my jacket. The tricks are endless…

    Best line I ever heard from a punk 12year old kid to a elite group of swiss guides.
    Snowboarding sucks………But skiers swallow.

    J

    #663608
    Kadydid
    36 Posts

    Don’t be duped into stopping after your ride down in a meadow 50 feet from the next pitch over. Find some little feature that will let you get some momentum into the next section down instead.

    On the uphill when anyone stops to chat don’t be the last one to get moving again.

    #663609
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    I’d rather be last than comprise my down by not collapsing poles or riding with my skins. We spend 95% of the day climbing. Be fit and semi-skilled on kick turns and shit and you do fine. i like to think we have an advantage with ou wide skins. ive been frowned at by skiers mor than once for making the skin track to steep.

    The only time I rush at the top is if the weather is shitty.

    Collapsing poles and lashing to my pack– less that 45 seconds, putting skins in my pack–less than 45 seconds. I’ve never had a partner that has worried about such a trivial amount of time.

    The keys to being a good partner has little to do with your mode of transportation. Be a giver, not a taker. Here’s a few (a lot already mentioned): be on time, have food and water, gas in car, have all your gear sorted and ready to go, shovel/dig, break trail, don’t ski/board recklessly-if you can’t land that air in the resort, don’t try it on our tour, be avy savy, have beers/weed for everyone, etc.
    @Jamis wrote:

    @Boat Shredder wrote:

    What are your tricks to keep up with skiers?


    When you shoot pool what is more important to you ? The first shot or the shot that will be directly after? (or just beer LOL)

    Thinking ahead is my #1 way to win. Its not a competition …..but it is.

    Momentum- knowing when to go first or last to put you out in front. Different lines if required. Wax your damn board!

    Traversing – it kills every boarder. My moto is by all means necessary. Seriously disbaled looking or not i’ll knee board to save face. Can you traverse switch? How is your one foot ability? Ever seen kids at the resort riding from the top to bottom back foot out? Riding one foot out in pow got me through the 6 day wapta traverse.

    Avy work is where efficiency really matters. I cheat as much as possible. Everything from not collapsing my poles to stuffing my skins in my jacket. The tricks are endless…

    Best line I ever heard from a punk 12year old kid to a elite group of swiss guides.
    Snowboarding sucks………But skiers swallow.

    J

    #663610
    lewmt
    570 Posts

    Be a giver, not a taker. Here’s a few (a lot already mentioned): be on time, have food and water, gas in car, have all your gear sorted and ready to go, shovel/dig, break trail, don’t ski/board recklessly-if you can’t land that air in the resort, don’t try it on our tour, be avy savy, have beers/weed for everyone, etc.

    Have to totally disgree:
    If breaking trail….go as strait up as possible

    Always use the words dude & gnar as much as possible – even if it doesn’t make sense too.

    Ask skiers to carry some of your stuff & while they are putting it in their pack transition and haul ass.

    Always take the best line down & don’t let skiers go 1st….if its a narrow chute – board slide at least the top 10% if its shallow powder on hardpack.

    When you get to the bottom – drink all their beer/alchohol and have at their girlfriends, even if they’re ugly

    #663611
    Jamis
    10 Posts

    I agree with you 100% EcoBrad on being a giver but it sounded to me in a later post that boat shredder tours with patrollers or avy pro’s?
    Avalanche work sometimes requires frequent stops and short traverses etc etc. Hard to believe but sometimes its all work and not just play. Its not trivial when its buisness. You don’t want to be that “guy” when the machine comming to pluck you out for the day is $2900 an hour. Trivial crap yes….depends on how bad you want to get invited on the next trip!
    Ps ugly girls lewmt? You are a savage!
    J

    Ecobrad wrote:
    I’d rather be last than comprise my down by not collapsing poles or riding with my skins. We spend 95% of the day climbing. Be fit and semi-skilled on kick turns and shit and you do fine. i like to think we have an advantage with ou wide skins. ive been frowned at by skiers mor than once for making the skin track to steep.

    The only time I rush at the top is if the weather is shitty.

    Collapsing poles and lashing to my pack– less that 45 seconds, putting skins in my pack–less than 45 seconds. I’ve never had a partner that has worried about such a trivial amount of time.

    The keys to being a good partner has little to do with your mode of transportation. Be a giver, not a taker. Here’s a few (a lot already mentioned): be on time, have food and water, gas in car, have all your gear sorted and ready to go, shovel/dig, break trail, don’t ski/board recklessly-if you can’t land that air in the resort, don’t try it on our tour, be avy savy, have beers/weed for everyone, etc.

    Jamis wrote:
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    #663613
    ale_capone
    864 Posts

    It’s not about speed, it’s about style.

    #663612
    chimp
    64 Posts

    @lewmt wrote:

    Be a giver, not a taker. Here’s a few (a lot already mentioned): be on time, have food and water, gas in car, have all your gear sorted and ready to go, shovel/dig, break trail, don’t ski/board recklessly-if you can’t land that air in the resort, don’t try it on our tour, be avy savy, have beers/weed for everyone, etc.

    Have to totally disgree:
    If breaking trail….go as strait up as possible

    Always use the words dude & gnar as much as possible – even if it doesn’t make sense too.

    Ask skiers to carry some of your stuff & while they are putting it in their pack transition and haul ass.

    Always take the best line down & don’t let skiers go 1st….if its a narrow chute – board slide at least the top 10% if its shallow powder on hardpack.

    When you get to the bottom – drink all their beer/alchohol and have at their girlfriends, even if they’re ugly

    I like this guy, we’d get along great!!!;)

    #663614
    Boat Shredder
    30 Posts

    this thread kicks ass. Thanks everybody for the awesome words of wisdom.

    There have been a few misunderstandings though. My crew is not mad about the wait time. They are super lax. I just have this idea that I want to lessen that gap between the slight disadvantages snowboarders have, that is all. Based on other peoples replies, snowboarders are just as capable as skiers in the BC. Its cool to see a bunch of folks out here figurin it out. Things I’m going to do are:

    Skins in the jacket
    not fully collapse poles
    be more fit
    show them how to shred pow 😉

    #663615
    buell
    534 Posts

    Fit is a big one. If you can out climb them, you can have all the time you want to transition.

    When I want fast transitions I make sure that I am set up to not take my pack off. Skins in jacket, poles in hand, and my hardboot bindings attached to the front of my pack.

    Often, when lapping in the winter, I use super light one piece carbon poles for the up. The low swing weight is really nice.

    #663616
    jerrett
    139 Posts

    Ride with less reckless skiers?

    I’ve never been in a situation where it’s been a problem – are there actually people out there who when they get to the top, race to convert and drop as fast as they can without stopping to eat, relax, catch their breath, enjoy the scenery, and assess the conditions/snowpack?

    Also if you find yourself taking forever, get Gecko skins. Dealing with the skins seems to take longer than the rest of the conversion, and the Gecko’s more or less make that go away.

    #663617
    SPLITRIPPIN
    709 Posts

    Tell ya what… I really could give 2 craps about keeping up with a skiier, or a splitter for that matter that is so hell bent out of shape to be so fast that being out with them is a constant race…eff that bullshit. To me.. that reminds me of the douche ass skiiers that were in my group up at SME. I wouldn’t piss on their head if it was on fire, more or less want to tour with them… but, they were fast on the skin up, and in the cross over.

    My kinda of touring peeps are interior B.C.’ers/Cascadians… they skin fast, but up at the top.. take their time.. have a snack..burn some ganj’..reflect on lines, and how great of a day it is. We are all such creatures of locking ourselves into “time” vs. just enjoying the moment, and reflecting on how lucky we are to be in such a great place, with such good people. I could give 2 shits less with keeping up with a speed test. To me touring people in a rush on the up and crossover are the same as that mindless person walking through life w/o paying attention to life.

    And, I’m sending that effin air…cuz, powder landings are not the same as kicker landings. :thatrocks:

    #663618
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    Ways I deal with elitist skiers in the backcountry:

      Sedatives
      Riding breakable crust
      Riding 18″ spring slush
      Carrying enough snacks to share when I’m the slowest one
      Wide skins climb better
      Have a hotter girlfriend
      Make the switch to HB (I bought K’rams a year ago and experimented with HB’s the last 4 days and I’m hooked)
      Switch pow turns
      Fill their dynafiddles with ice and wait for swearing to start
      Learn how to do good methods (nothing a skier does will ever look as good)
      Avoid skimo or stick with a group that are splitmo sympathizers

    Riding breakable crust alone should put any skier in their place when they are out with a snowboarder. Don’t ever believe that snowboarding is inferior to skiing in the mountains, it’s just a different tool. When I first started snowboarding there was a big rivalry between skiers and snowboarders and the longer that I’m at it the less important it is.

    Just in case you need to remind your skier buddies about why snowboarding is better…
    Skiing was originally a way to get around in the snow, a lowly and efficient form of transportation. Somebody thought that it was enough of a thrill to turn it into recreation. Snowboarding was never hindered by being a form of transportation, from the very beginning there was no other purpose to it than for fun. 😀

    #663619
    Taft
    287 Posts

    there is a lot of dick swinging in this thread about being fit and being the first to the top. ignore that shit. fitness is essential, but at a certain point its all genetics. some folks are going to be fast and some not so fast. besides a lot of time your keeping the group together, cause your a group and all.

    dial in your transitions, have a system and do the same thing in the same order, every time. you wont be faster the a fast skier at this, but you can easily be faster them most.

    learn to ski your split. not just pizza down a slope but shred it in two plank, trees, mank, crud, the works.

    those two thing are the equalizer.

    :twocents:

    #663620
    Q_Surf
    11 Posts

    Interesting thread. Only been splitting 2yrs. Often head out pre-dawn splitting with the local ski-patrol crew before they have to be at work – so there’s always an inherent time-crunch. I can keep up with them on everything except for transitions, and they always try to assure me “it’s cool” about my needing extra time. But I’ve found that I don’t really enjoy those outings nearly as much because I know I have to rush everything so they can get back to work in time. Feeling that kind of goes against the whole reason I’m out there.

    #663636
    surface hore
    31 Posts

    Eat better snacks … drink less booze and more water. Wake up early enough to poop before you tour.

    #663637
    Zude
    367 Posts

    pooping is critical

    #663632
    saign
    330 Posts

    The part I find hard is over short uphill sections that they can skate or sidestep over where I’ll have to unstrap and either boot pack or transition. I find I just have to beat them down the hill to give me a head start. Transitioning is slower as well.

    Its not a race in the BC like the ski resort so I think they can hold they’re fucking horses :twocents:

    But no one likes to wait

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