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  • #622809
    zenaloha
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    Just to echo what everyone else has already related, stoked to see more innovation in the splitboard world. It’s only going to make it easier and safer to get to the places we want to go.

    I’m wondering if anyone who’s used the Karakoram system can speak to the conversion from touring to riding mode. In the video it looks like you anchor one half of the board in the snow or against something, then manipulate the other board half with both hands to clip the two halves together. I’m wondering how easy this will be in really light snow, adverse conditions, or on a steep face.

    Is there a way to mate or seat the two board halves together by holding a board half in each hand (ala the Voile system) before clipping them together? Seems like that might help make the transitions faster, but not sure since I haven’t had any hands on experience with the Karakoram system. Opinions/Observations?

    #622810
    Flying Scotsman
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    On the clipping the boards together there are 2 ways to do this. Since I have the Voile setup I was used standing the boards upright together on the tips and either clipping the nose on or if the Karakorum clips were lined up clipping those on. Once you get 1 clip on the rest follow suit really quickly. The other method is what Bryce and Tyler do by laying 1 board on its side, the one with the clips, sunk into the snow a bit and mating them together. This is supposedly easier and quicker and I’ve seen Tyler do this in nipple deep powder with no issues (yes we do get it that deep now and again in the PNW!)

    I’ve kept the Karakorum clips on my board after giving back the bindings as it pulls the boards together super tight unlike the china clips which are all loosey goosey.

    Glad to see some positive feedback from all the Cali folk, everyone whose ridden the bindings up here has been stoked too.

    #622811
    zenaloha
    Participant

    Thanks for the info! It makes sense that you’d be able to match the two halves up, then stick the tail or nose in the snow and do up the clips. Glad to hear some positive experience with it. Wonder if they’ll be selling their system parts individually? Wonder how many folks would want to replace the china clips on their Voile system with the Karakoram clips?

    Flying Scotsman: After seeing 10 feet of snow fall on Mt Hood between the end of March / beginning of April, I don’t doubt the deep stuff falls in the PNW! Let me know if you’re ever in the Portland area and maybe we can do a quick tour on Hood.

    #622812
    russman
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    @zenaloha wrote:

    …….Wonder how many folks would want to replace the china clips on their Voile system with the Karakoram clips?…….

    Personally, I can’t wait to ditch my China clips! The clamps hold the skis together with very high active engagement forces. The china clips just “sit” next to each other and still wiggle all over the place. Active engagement is the answer!

    #622813
    BGnight
    Participant

    Are the crampons gonna be attached to the bottom of the binding like ALL ski crampons are? Please say yes.
    The biggest drawback (and it’s a big one) of mr chomps is they just sit there dragging on the snow when you lift your heel. Makes no sense :scratch:

    #622814
    russman
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    @BGnight wrote:

    Are the crampons gonna be attached to the bottom of the binding like ALL ski crampons are? Please say yes.
    The biggest drawback (and it’s a big one) of mr chomps is they just sit there dragging on the snow when you lift your heel. Makes no sense :scratch:

    The prototype bindings I saw at the Baker splitfest had cramps that attached to the bottom of the bindings!

    No need for skepticism about the binding and interface. The level of thoughtful, evidence-based engineering is incredible…

    #622815
    Flip
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    @russman wrote:

    Personally, I can’t wait to ditch my China clips! The clamps hold the skis together with very high active engagement forces. The china clips just “sit” next to each other and still wiggle all over the place. Active engagement is the answer!

    +1

    It would be more then willing to shell out a few bucks for the clamps to replace the china clips.

    #622816
    tylerk
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    @BGnight wrote:

    Are the crampons gonna be attached to the bottom of the binding like ALL ski crampons are? Please say yes.
    The biggest drawback (and it’s a big one) of mr chomps is they just sit there dragging on the snow when you lift your heel. Makes no sense :scratch:

    Like Russman said, the current crampon attaches to the base of the binding. Bryce and I are still tweaking the design to get the right amount of engagement with and without the risers up. Should have it dialed soon 😀

    #622817
    BGnight
    Participant

    Siiiick. Those are gonna look so purty on my new Jones solution :drool:

    #622818
    russman
    Participant

    @BGnight wrote:

    Siiiick. Those are gonna look so purty on my new Jones solution :drool:

    Holy crap, welcome to the club!! SOOOOOOOO incredibly stoked!

    I may or may not know of a guy who got the chance to demo a Solution mounted with the Karakoram binding, and boy oh boy it may have been the highest performing splitboard setup EVAAAAAAR!

    #622819
    burton
    Participant

    @ russmann – pictures :mrgreen:

    burton

    #622820
    bcrider
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    @BGnight wrote:

    The biggest drawback (and it’s a big one) of mr chomps is they just sit there dragging on the snow when you lift your heel. Makes no sense :scratch:

    Mr Chomps can be used in floating and fixed settings for ski/split crampons….fixed (attached to the board), and floating (floating between board and binding). They also offer two height settings. In fixed the crampon drags through the snow and I agreed is less than ideal. Essentially you have to lift the ski with every step. People have argued in the past that while this is a disadvantage for long stretches the added grip of the fixed setting is good for ultimate security. The floating setting is different in that it drags on top of the snow a little when you unweight your ski and slide it forward. This is how the old Burton ones word and how the Voile and other ski crampons work (along with a free setting that attaches to the binding.

    As for the Karakoram binding, I was hoping to try some before the end of the season but haven’t heard back yet. Any word on a demo set for little old me Tyler and Bryce?

    #622821
    russman
    Participant

    This isn’t related to the current discussion, but I thought I would mention it…

    I’ve had several opportunities to demo the Karakoram binding, and every time I’m completely blown away.

    Initial objective interpretation:

    1) 90% of splitboarding is skiing: So far, there simply is no comparison between my Fuse bindings and the Split30. In comparison to the Voile bracket, the Karakoram Touring Interface is far stiffer and smoother, and there are no rattles or grinding sounds. Very interestingly, I can actually turn and control the skis without skins on! This is fantastic because when you are needing to cover a long, flat area that is too low angle to ride, it is possible to “skate ski” out. Further, this means that side-hilling on steep ice is much more secure. Which = VERY GOOD NEWS.

    2) Ride Performance: In the Fuse, I get a significant amount of lateral foot roll inside my bindings (this affects skinning as well). In the split30, the lateral support is very evident when powering through turns – you can push into the front or back of the board with a lot more potential force, and so I find myself riding with a lot more fine board control. The toe ramp area (I rode them without toe ramps) seems to give much more positive pressure, and so toe-side turns on ice are much more precise. Lastly, and this might be a personal preference thing, but I simply cannot get enough forward lean out of my Fuses. In the Karakoram binding, I can crank that thing WAY forward. These things, combinded with the heelcup design that goes all the way to the front of the binding, give a very supportive, ultra-high end feel to the whole system. Its going to be very interesting to see what the bindings look like in a couple of years.

    Cheers!!

    It would be very interesting to hear what other people have experienced with the system; even if just tinkering with it at the splitfests

    #622822
    SPLITRIPPIN
    Participant

    sweet.. I think Bryce and Tyler should hook up a vaporizer to them… to make them THE ultimate binding :thumpsup:

    Good to see splitboarding tech is going further and further…. Where the frigg was all this innovation when I was knockin’ the shit out of my Burton plates to get the ice out in 03′ :scratch:

    bastards! 😥

    #622823
    BGnight
    Participant

    I foresee the Karakoram set up making Voile interface and Sparks bindings obsolete. From what I saw, it’s that good (barring any unforeseeable problems after the first season of heavy use by the consumer population)
    Good job guys in taking the sport to the next level.

    #622824
    aksltxlt
    Participant

    Did you see all the hardware that is in the bindings, probably over 20 nuts and bolts, Get your locktight out and bring a screwdriver, hopefully the final product will have less hardware. I do believe the toolbox style latches are better than the fish hooks thats what I want

    #622825
    sketchyT
    Participant

    @BGnight wrote:

    I foresee the Karakoram set up making Voile interface and Sparks bindings obsolete. From what I saw, it’s that good (barring any unforeseeable problems after the first season of heavy use by the consumer population)
    Good job guys in taking the sport to the next level.

    I perdict that the twins will not be able to keep up with the demand and Voile and Sparks R&D will pick up the slack. It will be good for everyone!

    #622826
    Ecobrad
    Participant

    I’ve never seen the set-up so I may be speaking out of turn but come on, obsolete? Two smallish dudes have what, a few hundred days on the set up in a maritime climate. What about a big dude in a super cold region?

    I’m not saying that the K system is gonna suck, but let’s wait and see how this turns out. Sparks are super simple with no moving parts yet the split community has found the weakness in each version.

    Good luck to the twins, Will and Voile. I hope/think there’s room for all three.

    #622827
    Killclimbz
    Participant

    Yeah, I don’t see the Voile system and Spark going away anytime soon. It’s a simple system and it works just fine.

    That said, the more I look at the design of the Karakoram system, the more I like it. It does look solid. Of course no hands on, I can’t really say how great it is for sure. I do think that the Maritime climate it’s mostly been tested in is good. That type of snow likes to stick to everything, so a lot of the typical issues should be worked through.

    The biggest question is what is going to be the cost. From what I am seeing, it looks like a $600 price tag is not out of the question. Maybe a little less, maybe more. Seems reasonable, but there is also some sticker shock with that…

    #622828
    barrows
    Participant

    The jury is certainly out on this system. But I applaud the effort and engineering that is going into this approach, more innovation for splits can only be good in the long run. Considering the initial hype that surrounded the (defunct) Burton interface, I believe caution is in order in terms of jumping to conclusions.
    I have not ridden this interface, nor seen it first hand, but I am concerned that the emphasis appears to be on clamping the board halves together? A split interface needs to be stiff, not in terms of pulling the board halves towards each other, but in terms of laterally (and torsionally) holding both board halves in the same plane; force applied to clamping the board halves together will not improve lateral/torsional stiffness, because the inner sidewall is so narrow.
    The Spark style baseplate improves performance by being stiffer than the Voile slider plate, and the design of the Voile pucks also contributes to this stiffness by interfacing with the slider plate over a large amount of surface area.
    I would love to see some pics which really show how the Karakoram interface supports the board halves laterally and keeps them in plane.
    It is clear that this will be an expensive system, how expensive we do not yet know. I do not have any problem with extra expense, as long as the system offers clear performance advantages over what is currently standard, but I suspect that some people may be a little shocked by how much the Karakoram system ends up costing.

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