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  • #622789
    burton
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    the system looks intresting for walking in the living room …… because the same brain mistake make burton years ago.

    high engeneer for formula one – bc need simpel works – the first roul :thumpsup:

    NOTE : in a Bc tool no mecanicel function includet – all other this is a big mistake .

    Volie – Will nows this – push way ( slider ) clean the way selv , and save it with a bushed slider pin are ok- all other can be make problems – the build thing s in one pice .

    the slider cleans the railway ….

    sliderpin is the only bolt you need – nothing can stop him….

    karakorma … the are splitboarders ….
    what do the system on a ice conditions – water go in it and frozzen water in the mechanichel arm axe …. when it brake, you stand on top of the hill and goe by feet down …. sorry i never youse this system – because what i see tell me my brain – dont youse any mecanical things on the bindings like atomic ore karakoram . I tested so muchs systems at spliboard , t3 , will igniation fuse , fanatic, Nitro,Volie , my selv build , every thing, one lesson – no mecanical – no free pices , all as one … i hoppe no body hate my for this clear words.

    Markus

    #622790
    Swedish-banana
    Participant

    @burton wrote:

    the system looks intresting for walking in the living room …… because the same brain mistake make burton years ago.

    high engeneer for formula one – bc need simpel works – the first roul :thumpsup:

    NOTE : in a Bc tool no mecanicel function includet – all other this is a big mistake .

    Volie – Will nows this – push way ( slider ) clean the way selv , and save it with a bushed slider pin are ok- all other can be make problems –
    what do the system on a ice condition – water go in it and – frozzen water in the mechanichel arm axe …. when it brake, you stand on top and can goe by feet down …. sorry i never youse this system – because what i see tell me my brain – dont youse any mecanical things on the bindings like atomic ore karakoram …..

    Markus

    I think it is way to early to say that this system will not work.
    They have tried it out but of course there is kinks to work out before they can release the system.
    I have faith in that they won’t put a bad product on the market as they are splitboarders them self.

    #622791
    jbaysurfer
    Participant

    @burton wrote:

    … i hoppe no body hate my for this clear words.

    Markus

    😀

    Dude, don’t be squashing ingenuity just because you’re a doubter. Don’t knock it til you try it. I’m gonna try it personally, and I’m thinking these things look awesome. We’ll find out this weekend at the Eastside Kalifornia Splitfest!

    I’ve read your stuff for several years on the site and think it’s great guys like you are tinkering and evolving the system, but that’s exactly why you should embrace guys like the Klosters who are not only trying to improve the system, but bring it to us non-engineers as well!

    #622792
    schwalbster
    Participant

    Hey Markus,
    since I know you from the german erste spur forum I believe you only mean good and you want to prevent these guys from investing too much time and money in a product that is too mechanical in your opinion, but I have to agree with jbay. Give these a chance first and then judge. Please don’t judge by one picture! Dynafit is quite mechanical and it seems to work for the Ski folks!?
    Personally I am very stoked to get a look (and maybe even some time on the snow :drool: ) at the system this upcoming weekend a the Cali Party!!

    After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity.

    #622793
    burton
    Participant

    yeah – schwalbster … you now exatly what i mean :thumpsup:

    dynafit – is a other wourld – fix the boot – not the board :scratch:

    a test must go years and years – to see the system runs …..

    a new system must simpler work as volie , lighter than will s , made as pice – an than he had real chance….

    i hope the best for the guys of karakam – wait for a longtime test – and we see 😉
    Dont think i make my mine at 1 – 2 pictures in the www – the splitboard wourld is a family.

    Markus

    #622794
    brycek
    Participant

    Hey Markus (Burton),

    We appreciate your critical feedback, as this is what will help us bring the best possible product to market. In response to your concerns, our philosophy in using mechanisms in our binding is that they are okay as long as they provide a clear user benefit and they are robust and durable enough to handle any use case (i.e. icy conditions, freezing conditions, slushy conditions, impact loads such as cliff drops, multi-day tours, etc.). We’ve been testing against these conditions throughout our development and have adapted the design to address them. In addition, we have designed our binding system to meet and exceed the ISO and ASTM standards for snowboard bindings, which include performance in freezing conditions.

    To address your other concerns, our system does not share any similar interfaces with the Burton system or the Atomic system. However, we are intimately familiar with all splitboard systems as we have used them as benchmarks for our development.

    Our goal is to provide splitboarders with another option with additional benefits. Karakoram is just Tyler and I. We are not a big company like Burton or Atomic. We’re just two avid splitboarders trying to help take our sport to a new level.

    Best Regards,

    Bryce

    #622795
    burton
    Participant

    clear wourd s – i hope your system show s that my mine is wrong .

    Markus

    #622796
    Zee
    Participant
    #622797
    Killclimbz
    Participant

    I like the change over to tour mode without getting out of your bindings. That is pretty slick. Wonder why you could do the same thing going into snowboard mode. That would be pretty sweet.

    As for the system. Is there a weight penalty or savings with it? Also the fuss with the middle clips. Doesn’t look major but seems to be a bit more of a hassle than maybe it’s worth. Have to see it closer. Having to clean snow off the parts, looks like that could be a real hassle at times. Maybe an issue, maybe not.

    Overall pretty slick and I like where they are going. Send me a set to demo and I’ll be happy to put my $0.02 in for them.

    #622798
    Err
    Participant

    Killclimbz:
    – Yep, you can go from tour mode back to board mode with the bindings on if you like.
    – I’m not going to get into quoting weights since my setup is slightly different than final production but it’s quite light, there is absolutely no weight penalty.

    Burton:
    I hear ya dude, mechanical doo-dads, ugh… But man, I’ve been trying to break ’em. I’ve done a few really abusive things to mine and they’ve held just fine. In discussions with Bryce, it seems that they have gone to great lengths to design the pin mechanism to be dead reliable. It is actually really quite simple though, not a whole lot to go wrong. Certainly no more risk than that of loosing a loose part like a pin.

    #622799
    russman
    Participant

    @schwalbster wrote:

    ……….Dynafit is quite mechanical and it seems to work for the Ski folks!?………

    TRUE THAT! Most ski bindings employ far more mechanical complexity than what Bryce and Tyler have engineered, and most of my ski buddies do just fine.

    I agree that negative comments aren’t constructive at this point. Personal opinions don’t mean anything without sufficient objective exposure to the system. In all honesty, the Split30 might actually be more simple to use than the Voile system, as there is no pin to lose in the snow! In the parking lot at the Baker Splitfest Aaron and I had a race to see which system was faster to change over, and going from ride to tour mode (without messing with skins) was indeed faster and simpler in comparison to my Fuses… Also, because the binding employs a lubricated axle rather than a pin that articulates against metal, the wear on the touring interface is probably significantly reduced.

    At any rate, its super rad to see a small rider-owned binding company popping up! We’re not dealing with a massive corporation like Burton…

    #622800
    sketchyT
    Participant

    Would be cool to do that same race down at the Kali Splitfest and film it…….Bryce?

    #622801
    Zee
    Participant

    I’m willing to take the plunge on it, depending on price of course.

    #622802
    patrick
    Participant

    @karakoram

    you also thought about a crampon solution? Especially in spring i wouldn’t go touring without..

    best

    patrick

    #622803
    russman
    Participant

    @patrick wrote:

    @karakoram

    you also thought about a crampon solution? Especially in spring i wouldn’t go touring without..

    best

    patrick

    Yep. From what I hear the bindings + interface will come with crampons too, but don’t quote me on that. I got to check out their prototype crampons and they seem SLICK. Sharp, with good spike length.

    #622804
    aksltxlt
    Participant

    I’ve checked out the karakoram ski crampon and it is lighter than mr chomps, metal is thinner I however did not get a chance to use it

    #622805
    schwalbster
    Participant

    Bryce and Tyler showed up this weekend at the Kalifornia Splitboardparty. I was very excited to get a glimpse at their system. After looking at the changeover several times friday eve outside our house I was very impressed. I needed to check it out! Thanks to JimW who rode the system on saturday on his board, which is similar to what I ride, I just had to grab it and go (Thanks again Jim) So late afternoon I took the system on this gnarly hike. About 300 vertical feet !! up the beautiful slopes of Convict Lake, chasing the shadow of the setting sun up the hill. I lost. Then I had my private moment with the System, buckled in and really let loose. I got about 5 hjighspeed turns in and did this really cool 180 hop down a crazy steep (about 25 degrees) slope. Snow conditions were tricky too, this buttery soft surface, really hard to ride. The whole thing took me about 20 min. Pretty hardcore if you consider the avy danger I exposed myself too, going solo. I was back in time for dinner.I think I did a really in- depth test of the system. I think JimW did an even more hardcore test of the system if that’s even possible!?:scratch:

    Ok, ok obviously I’m not serious. :bananas: But seriously: I just wanted to get a quick hands (and feets) on experience. My impression: The system feels bomber in touring mode and in riding mode, the changeover is quick and easy both ways. The whole thing is really light. No loose parts and no pins that wear out. And although it looks quite mechanical, I believe it’s simple enough to not cause any major pain or problems in the bc. That will prove itself over time.The bindings feel very solid and a gave me a locked in feeling, which I like (I like soft Boots and bindings that give me a locked in feeling without having to put too much pressure on the straps and lots of forward lean). From the little riding I did in those conditions I can’t tell any difference in boardfeel, but I can see the potential moving us closer to solid board feel, which they state as their goal creating this system.Overall I have to say I really like it and I’m very impressed. My main concern would still be icing up of metal parts. Bryce and Tyler told us they tested the system in the harshest conditions without problems and the engaging bolts do push out and nothing clamps together like the Burton system did. Still there are metalparts that need some minor cleaning before you put it in ride mode. The crampons looked pretty slick too, I didn’t get to use them, but it looks like you can put them in on the fly and then they are floating I think!? I prefer a fixed crampon, that goes in deep with the heelrisers up. But they are still working on those and it’s a little early to call on those.

    It seems like they really, really did their homework and I applaud the innovation. The more choices the better. I won’t be in the market for a whole new system any time soon, especially since I won my first pair of Sparks just now :rock: but I love to watch the innovation happening in Splitboarding right now. Exciting times for gearheads!

    On a sidenote I would like to mention that Bryce and Tyler are super nice guys, who deserve our support.Thanks for coming over to Cali, showing us your system even though it’s still prototypes! It was nice meeting you.

    After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity.

    #622806
    UTAH
    Participant

    I’m a little confused :scratch: This binding works with the current Voile components or would require you buy a specific board with different components. Sounds like you guys just threw em on your current set-up?

    #622807
    tylerk
    Participant

    Our system does not use any of the voile components. It does fit on the standard voile inserts though. So if you have a standard split it will fit directly on with no mods necessary. We mounted the demo bindings up on JimW’s Burton S-series, so he could do a side by side comparison with his existing bindings.

    #622808
    Zee
    Participant

    What’s the ballpark pricing?

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