Forums Splitboards K2 introduces the new "Kwicker" splitboard system –
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  • #663364
    aksltxlt
    621 Posts

    When I think of K2 clickers I think of second rate rental shops…

    #663365
    ChompOnThis
    22 Posts

    Frankly I don’t see why many of you have such a hate-on for this system. Many of you in hardboots aren’t going to be swayed by a new system, and many of us in soft boots with sparks/karakoram probably won’t switch either…unless it’s to hard boots. That being said I’d be interested to try it before I threw it under the bus…and that’s exactly what I plan on doing. I think it’s an interesting concept, something that is certainly more feasible and realistic with newer technologies than older step-in systems. If if it works, and works well, awesome, and if it doesn’t then it’s really no skin off of anyones back is it?

    #663366
    Supra
    42 Posts

    I split, but I also spend a lot of time (prob more) on solids, and I am def not interested in having a split-only boot, or in putting step-in bindings on my other boards. I would like the channels for stance adjustment though, and the ultra dream rides real nice

    #663367
    jerrett
    139 Posts

    I have a friend who’s adapted Burton Step-in for his splits, and swears by it – never seen him have any problems, and he tours a lot. Seems like a pretty great system, if only it was still being made (and the boots)

    I’m not liking the K2’s setup being bolted onto the voile slider pucks though… seems like a lot of extra stuff, and higher off the board than it should be

    #663368
    802smuggler
    369 Posts

    I can see this being a big deal for the sport, especially if it proves reliable and effective. I don’t think it can be compared to old clicker systems fairly. But who knows. Honestly, I think riders love their highbacks too much.
    4 lbs. is a lot of weight to lose.

    #663369
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Their weight savings claim of four pounds says a lot. To me, it says, “our target market knows jack shit about splitboarding, so lets make these outrageous claims of weight savings, they’ll never know the difference!”

    Saving four pounds off a Voile plate, with a binding, and boot is not a straight up comparison. I haven’t heard of anyone but the noobiest of noobs who still uses the voile plates. Now, if they compared their system’s weight to a pair of Karakorams or Sparks, I’m guessing the weight savings is much less.

    I’m just not sold on these at all. But good luck to K2 selling them.

    #663370
    Craig505
    17 Posts

    The prob with the old clicker was the heel lift in the boots, if they fixed this then they may have something. Looks like they did change the toe clip, the old design had it bolted on with two bolts in the back, so snow could pack in there, it now looks like it attaches on the sides similar the back clip. This may help clear snow.

    Shasta’s story is interesting, I do remember though that once you got clicked in you could twist the release lever sideways and a small tab on the bottom of the handle would slide under the binding essentially locking you in.

    I have K2 T1 double Boa’s now, granted they are three years old. the outer Boa loosens up pretty easy, wish it had laces instead.

    Also wondering if the new boots will work with the old bindings? Might prove to be more popular as a resort set-up if they fixed the old boot issues.

    #663371
    Zude
    367 Posts

    Yeah 4 pounds seems like a bogous claim. I think the clicker system is a cool concept. I’ve got a buddy thats been riding them for years and he’s had no problems with the bindings, just complaints about the boots.
    It’s funny how some folks get worked up about products 😉 . New systems can only be good for the split world, it’s not like they will push all competion out of the market.
    Again (insert dead horse with flies buzzing here) i’d be all about the hardboot set up if i had $1,200 burning a hole in my pocket. I really like the looks of the Phantom/Dyna set-up,but i digress.

    #663372
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    @scooby2 wrote:

    Been splitting with modded clickers in Utah since late 90s or so, no problems, I’ve had many more strap-in binding components break before then, and not much deep snow out here ever. fear them! 😆

    I wish they were making one with a built in on/off highback for longer strides while touring, but I’m sure I’ll get a pair of the boots if they are lighter than what I have now.

    It will be interesting to see if the boa cable strings over the instep within the boot are a viable replacement for cranking down an ankle strap as in the versions that I have now. Could be quite a pressure point there if the pressure of the cables isn’t spread out through some dense material.

    It’s funny, I used to use the burton step ins, and I remember back in the day when I started splitting a few of you guys were riding clickers and buying up all the used clicker gear on ebay because they discontinued it. I realize most of the naysayers probably aren’t aware that there was such a strong clicker following from early splitters, but there was, and there was a reason. I applaud K2 for it’s efforts here. If we softbooters ever want a fully integrated, modular system with a good boot, THIS is the company to do it. Let’s get behind K2. I don’t need any new gear this year, but next year….I’m going to seriously consider K2 stuff.

    #663373
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    @craig505 wrote:

    The prob with the old clicker was the heel lift in the boots, if they fixed this then they may have something. Looks like they did change the toe clip, the old design had it bolted on with two bolts in the back, so snow could pack in there, it now looks like it attaches on the sides similar the back clip. This may help clear snow.

    Shasta’s story is interesting, I do remember though that once you got clicked in you could twist the release lever sideways and a small tab on the bottom of the handle would slide under the binding essentially locking you in.

    I have K2 T1 double Boa’s now, granted they are three years old. the outer Boa loosens up pretty easy, wish it had laces instead.

    Also wondering if the new boots will work with the old bindings? Might prove to be more popular as a resort set-up if they fixed the old boot issues.

    I’d just assume the new clicker boots are modified version of the T1. I don’t think they’ll go back to the old technology in boot construction.

    #663374
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    Always good to see more products in the market but….

    @jefe009 wrote:

    Very telling — I spoke with Kyle Miller a few weeks ago when he was in town for a slideshow thing, and he said K2 had some new system they were very hush hush about. They wanted him to come demo it at Mt. Rainier in a few weeks, but wouldn’t tell him what it was. So obviously their #1 splitboard athlete was not involved at all in the design of this new system. AKA Someone Who Actually Splitboards.

    Sorry to be so harsh, but I can’t think of a better example of a splitboard system obviously not designed by anyone who actually splitboards as their primary mode of BC travel. My :twocents:

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    I’m curious who put this together

    @j.memay

    #663375
    Merf
    27 Posts

    I met Hunter and another K2 employee while out on the slopes this past week. They were doing some laps on the new Ultra split and Kwicker set up.

    Actually getting to see the design and in use had me pretty impressed as someone who has worked in R&D and as a splitter. The touring bracket looked nice and beefy. They claimed “about 3-4 lbs lighter than current setups”. So I guess that means about 3 lbs less than a K/Spark setup which is still a huge savings. They were killing in on the transitions in our 14″ of fresh pow that day. Obviously it’s going to come down to the boot redesign. I didn’t get much info on the redesign.

    Apparently it will be offered as a package deal w/ the ultra and separately. I believe he said it will be Premiering at the Mt. Baker SF.

    #663376
    shasta
    143 Posts

    I’m just scarred from the day I described: it started out with the approach skis that didn’t work very well and went worse from there as I described.

    Glad to see new systems and competition that only will drive better products.

    #663377
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Well, I think we need to wait and see if its a good system. I like that companies are trying different stuff, even if its back with the old stuff..Every time I go into a snowboard shop, I just shake my head at the total garbage we have to choose from. Bindings look like big plastic pieces of shit, graphics and boards for 12 year olds, boots that are over built with all kinds of fake leather neon puke garbage sweaty shit crap..

    But really, the big thing we need, and already have I suppose if your willing to mod a 700 dollar boot 😉 is a walk mode. Period. That is the reason people switch to hardboots, and that is what makes us slower and more tired than skiers. To me, the solution for now is still finding a hardboot/dynafit system that works for you.

    #663379
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @kgn wrote:

    Well, I think we need to wait and see if its a good system. I like that companies are trying different stuff, even if its back with the old stuff..Every time I go into a snowboard shop, I just shake my head at the total garbage we have to choose from. Bindings look like big plastic pieces of shit, graphics and boards for 12 year olds, boots that are over built with all kinds of fake leather neon puke garbage sweaty shit crap..

    But really, the big thing we need, and already have I suppose if your willing to mod a 700 dollar boot 😉 is a walk mode. Period. That is the reason people switch to hardboots, and that is what makes us slower and more tired than skiers. To me, the solution for now is still finding a hardboot/dynafit system that works for you.

    Yeah, this is really where I am at. Most of the stuff marketed to snowboarders looks like toys made for 10-12 year olds rather than serious backcountry tools. K2 has a serious splitter on their program, who puts in a lot of hours in the mountains; the fact that Kyle has not been directly involved in the development of these is kind of telling in who they are for…

    #663380
    Taylor
    794 Posts

    The weight savings are laudable but this is neither revolutionary nor is it an entirely new “system.” It’s a clicker on a slider plate. There is no time savings beyond that gained by clicking instead of strapping. Three things to watch will be icing of the clicks, durability, and functionality of the boot for touring and riding.

    I’d have liked to have seen a boot system that included touring-mode step-in, and touring-mode heel lock down, which the heel-click is uniquely suited to. K2 has the capacity to crack those nuts. Props to them for pushing things forward with these new designs.

    @sun_rocket

    #663381
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    This system’s success will be determined by the boot. It will need a walk mode, and need to be able to hold the foot securely to the board. I see the Boa system being a weakness already. I’ve blown out Boas on boots that have the help of straps holding the foot in. What happens when you are tightening the Boas even tighter because it is the only thing holding your foot down? Only time will tell. The rest of the system, while not very innovative, looks simple and functional.

    #663382
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I also would not suggest that something which still relies on the Voile pucks is a big advance. We now have two systems which do not use the Voile pucks: Karakoram and Phantom. I cannot personally speak for Karakoram, but the Phantom system certainly out performs anything (from a riding perspective) which uses the Voile pucks.
    When I first saw this topic, I was expecting a little more in terms of real innovation…

    #663378
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    @shredgnar wrote:

    This system’s success will be determined by the boot. It will need a walk mode, and need to be able to hold the foot securely to the board. I see the Boa system being a weakness already. I’ve blown out Boas on boots that have the help of straps holding the foot in. What happens when you are tightening the Boas even tighter because it is the only thing holding your foot down? Only time will tell. The rest of the system, while not very innovative, looks simple and functional.

    I’ve had 4 pairs of boots with Boa’s. Never lasted more than 60 days, stretches after 30-40.

    If these boots solely rely on that system it will be a fatal flaw.

    @j.memay

    #663383
    dtr43
    29 Posts

    Glad to see different ideas coming to the table and companies advancing splitboarding but I am not holding my breath here. Never was a fan of the original clickers, saw many a rental come back to the shop in the day with “broken bindings” only to find out the boots were iced up and would not fully engage when stepping in.

    The new boots tread looks terrible for hiking. How’s the forward lean work? I think I would rather go hardboots if I was looking for a switch, but interested to see what the reviews are.

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