Forums Splitboards jones 12/13 build quality- anyone seen the goods?
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  • #660876
    Slackcountry
    10 Posts

    I have a Flagship Carbon 161 and a Solution Carbon 164 – build quality is as perfect as a snowboard can get, then again I spend less time looking and worrying about center edge gaps or my graphic alignment when I am bombing down long, steep pow ramps. Perhaps all of you should stop looking at your graphics so much and focus on your riding skills as they say “you can’t blame the arrow, blame the archer”. Put your measuring tape and micrometers away and get out and ride all you tech nerds, as all the time you waste micro analyzing specs does not matter at the end of the day.

    #660877
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @Slackcountry wrote:

    I have a Flagship Carbon 161 and a Solution Carbon 164 – build quality is as perfect as a snowboard can get, then again I spend less time looking and worrying about center edge gaps or my graphic alignment when I am bombing down long, steep pow ramps. Perhaps all of you should stop looking at your graphics so much and focus on your riding skills as they say “you can’t blame the arrow, blame the archer”. Put your measuring tape and micrometers away and get out and ride all you tech nerds, as all the time you waste micro analyzing specs does not matter at the end of the day.

    Yeah!!! Especially that guy with the threadless inserts, for real get a life and just go ride it LOL

    #660878
    wjb
    163 Posts

    I think the main reason you notice the graphic is misaligned is that on the hovercraft there is a boarder along the edge so it is easy to notice. I would contend most snowboards graphic placement is not perfect. The most important thing is I had my new hovercraft out for the first time yesterday on a bluebird pow day and i still can not wipe the smile off my face

    #660879
    Wasatch_Don
    101 Posts

    @Slackcountry wrote:

    I have a Flagship Carbon 161 and a Solution Carbon 164 – build quality is as perfect as a snowboard can get, then again I spend less time looking and worrying about center edge gaps or my graphic alignment when I am bombing down long, steep pow ramps. Perhaps all of you should stop looking at your graphics so much and focus on your riding skills as they say “you can’t blame the arrow, blame the archer”. Put your measuring tape and micrometers away and get out and ride all you tech nerds, as all the time you waste micro analyzing specs does not matter at the end of the day.

    Great idea… let’s all spend $1k on a board but not expect quality. We shoud be paying twice that amount just for the privilege of having it say Jones between our feet. With so many manufacturers turning out quality product for the same money or less there’s no reason to comprimise on anything.

    But I guess that makes me a “tech nerd”.

    #660880
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    @Wasatch_Don wrote:

    @Slackcountry wrote:

    I have a Flagship Carbon 161 and a Solution Carbon 164 – build quality is as perfect as a snowboard can get, then again I spend less time looking and worrying about center edge gaps or my graphic alignment when I am bombing down long, steep pow ramps. Perhaps all of you should stop looking at your graphics so much and focus on your riding skills as they say “you can’t blame the arrow, blame the archer”. Put your measuring tape and micrometers away and get out and ride all you tech nerds, as all the time you waste micro analyzing specs does not matter at the end of the day.

    Great idea… let’s all spend $1k on a board but not expect quality. We shoud be paying twice that amount just for the privilege of having it say Jones between our feet. With so many manufacturers turning out quality product for the same money or less there’s no reason to comprimise on anything.

    But I guess that makes me a “tech nerd”.

    +1

    #660881
    Supra
    42 Posts

    nice, if Jones can’t get it’s act together after three seasons….

    fwiw, I make it a point to buy $1000 equipment that is badly made…it’s more core that way

    #660882
    PeRi
    110 Posts

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    www.splitboardmag.com

    #660883
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    I think this is and easy solution (no pun intended). You have to build your own boards!

    If you source them to a 3rd party you will not have the same quality control. Some companies pride themselves on the perfect product, some would rather just fix problems as they occur, and some just dont care. Jones has been taking care of their QC issues with good customer service, so lets give them credit for that.

    The only was to completely resolve this issue would be for them to bring production in house; which is a huge expenditure considering they dont have and machines, material or expertise to build them right away. Additionally they would have to “tool-up” and work through their own set of initial QC issues.

    Another possible option would be to outsource them to a highend splitboard manufacturer. If one builder did decide to build Jones (“if” because if could be bad for their own business model) the cost might be considerably more. Jones has good prices on their gear now, but would you pay $1200 for a Jones without hardware? Please think about that.

    I think with Jones you get what you pay for. They are less expensive than most splitboards. Great shapes and fair construction. You are getting a Pro’s name on your gear which some people love plus you support JJ and POW. You also know in the right hands (JJ’s) it can be ridden anywhere on earth. For you people buying Jones’ from box stores… What did you think was gonna happen when you bought a splitty from REI? Take your lumps and learn you lessons, if you want the perfect board buy a handmade, custom or build it yourself!

    #660884
    highanxiety
    47 Posts

    @PedroDelfuego wrote:

    I think with Jones you get what you pay for. They are less expensive than most splitboards. Great shapes and fair construction. You are getting a Pro’s name on your gear which some people love plus you support JJ and POW. You also know in the right hands (JJ’s) it can be ridden anywhere on earth. For you people buying Jones’ from box stores… What did you think was gonna happen when you bought a splitty from REI? Take your lumps and learn you lessons, if you want the perfect board buy a handmade, custom or build it yourself!

    Think I would rather spend the extra money and get a board that is built right and is going to be safe in the BC.. Maxpower’s board didnt even come close to matching up. His 2nd solution that is, I saw it myself. Even the end clips couldnt clip properly b/c it was so far off. Not to mention the delam. That one was purchased at Wave Rave. I wouldnt ride that, no way.. If your reason for buying a board is b/c it has a pros name on it thats just stupid IMO. And what difference should it make if he bought his first board at REI? Still no excuse for the inserts not being threaded. Maybe they shoudnt advertise on this site that we all support if thats the case.

    #660885
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    I Like JJ, and hope they continue to support this forum. Anybody with a QC issue should call Jones and I bet they would take good care of you. They will want to know about any QC issue also.

    If you buy a board inspect it first. God knows nobody at REI has ever actually splitboarded. Support your local shop, buy your gear from them and they may stock more splitty gear next year.

    #660886
    wjb
    163 Posts

    I think maybe some of this gets blown out of proportion. Are there issues? Some. Is it any more than any other manufacturer? Who knows. Is it fair to compare a start up to an established company? Probably not. I have only had one issue and it was handled very quickly and to my satisfaction. Is everybody’s board delamming? Obviously not otherwise it would be all over the forums. So claiming they are not safe is a bit of a stretch. Complaining about graphics being not centered by an 1/8 of an inch is a non issue. Please keep things in perspective.

    #660887
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    @wjb wrote:

    I think maybe some of this gets blown out of proportion. Are there issues? Some. Is it any more than any other manufacturer? Who knows. Is it fair to compare a start up to an established company? Probably not. I have only had one issue and it was handled very quickly and to my satisfaction. Is everybody’s board delamming? Obviously not otherwise it would be all over the forums. So claiming they are not safe is a bit of a stretch. Complaining about graphics being not centered by an 1/8 of an inch is a non issue. Please keep things in perspective.

    3 years isn’t a start up any more. plus there is a large difference in a grass roots company started vs a company funded by a lot of industry money.

    and at this point I would say yeah it is more than any other mfg. back in the day when there was only 2-3 splitboard companies something like this would have put the company down for good. anyone remember the prior shit storm mid 2000’s just because of some bad customer service experiences?

    #660888
    wjb
    163 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    and at this point I would say yeah it is more than any other mfg.

    Well you have no facts to back that up, but hey everybody has an opinion

    #660889
    highanxiety
    47 Posts

    @PedroDelfuego wrote:

    I Like JJ, and hope they continue to support this forum. Anybody with a QC issue should call Jones and I bet they would take good care of you. They will want to know about any QC issue also.

    If you buy a board inspect it first. God knows nobody at REI has ever actually splitboarded. Support your local shop, buy your gear from them and they may stock more splitty gear next year.

    I have nothing against JJ, I think he’s the man, but he is not the one making the boards. I am hoping I actually get the chance to meet him in person in a couple weeks. I think QC should be done at the factory before they are sent out however. That’s not REI’s job.. I believe Maxpower is being taken care of by them no questions asked. I have heard the customer service has been real good at Jones and REI for that matter. I’ve had lots of boards and have never checked to see if my inserts have been threaded before I walk out the door, have you? Never even heard of that happening before.

    @wjb wrote:

    I think maybe some of this gets blown out of proportion. Are there issues? Some. Is it any more than any other manufacturer? Who knows. Is it fair to compare a start up to an established company? Probably not. I have only had one issue and it was handled very quickly and to my satisfaction. Is everybody’s board delamming? Obviously not otherwise it would be all over the forums. So claiming they are not safe is a bit of a stretch. Complaining about graphics being not centered by an 1/8 of an inch is a non issue. Please keep things in perspective.

    I am not comparing their company to anyone. Have you read the thread title?

    Actually the shop guy at wave rave said his solution delammed in the same spot, but that’s not everybody, just discussing what I’ve seen.. MP’s board was 1/2″ off when put together. Could care less about the graphics lining up, but to me if the 2 halves don’t line up and the end clips cant close completely then that board would be un safe in my opinion. As you said everyone has an opinion. I didn’t mean that all the boards are un safe, sorry for that confusion that’s my bad. Just feel bad for MP b/c he waited 6 weeks for the first board then had a 2nd one that had defects also and the Eastern Sierra has been going off for a while now and he still hasn’t got his money back or a new board. Hopefully that changed today..

    Hope others have better luck then he. Maybe it was just bad karma… lol

    #660890
    PeRi
    110 Posts

    I know from a very reliable source that Jones Snowboards moved its production last April from Tunisia to the GST factory in Austria, in search of improving these minor issues and offer a better product to its costumers.

    www.splitboardmag.com

    #660891
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    @wjb wrote:

    anyone remember the prior shit storm mid 2000’s just because of some bad customer service experiences?

    I do remember that. They pulled their shit together though. Good for them. I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Never Summer/Blaho Bros, Voile, and Prior for sticking with our sport for so long! They all attended the Tahoe splitfest in 200? too. Every model of splitboard produced was represented plus a couple protos.

    So many new grassroot companies doing there thing now too. It will be interesting to see how this explosion in split manufacturers plays out.

    I know one thing, I want no part of quality issues. Them having your money and you having no board is an awful spot to be in. I know because I was there after I placed my order for a Solution 168 that never arrived. Thank goodness I cut my losses and canceled my order after the third delay. I can only imagine the level of frustration if it did arrive flawed. :banghead:

    #660892
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    @wjb wrote:

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    and at this point I would say yeah it is more than any other mfg.

    Well you have no facts to back that up, but hey everybody has an opinion

    i’ve worked in the ski/snowboard industry for 5+ years so I have a pretty good idea as to what splitboards are having issues and what companies are making it happen and which ones aren’t. Thanks for asking.

    also one thing people struggle with is you can attack someone’s product with out attacking the person. plus it’s not like jeremy jones is back there in the shop hand making these anyway. when people pay $1000 for a board and there is anything at all wrong with it they have the right to bitch about it. It is 2012 almost 2013 these are snowboards not rocket ships there is not excuse for error. it is your right as a consumer to complain for poor quality and it is necessary.

    anyway my point with the prior thing is that it really hurt them as a company and they had to work twice as hard to get back up and they did and came back stronger. we will see if jones can do that. after three years it doesn’t seem like they have really made a great comeback after debuting the lowest quality production splitboards I have ever seen.

    #660893
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I have to agree with wasatch surf here. Customers are paying for a premium product here, the standard set by Venture is very high, and everyone making $900 to $1000+ splitboards should be striving hard to reach that level of consistent quality. Customers should expect a finely crafted, premium product at these levels.
    I really wish Jones Snowboards the best, and I hope that they get these growing pains under control. Perhaps it will be necessary for them to commit to building a manufacturing facility of their own to really get the consistent level of quality that is worthy of the Jones name.

    #660894
    Cadderly
    42 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    anyway my point with the prior thing is that it really hurt them as a company and they had to work twice as hard to get back up and they did and came back stronger. we will see if jones can do that. after three years it doesn’t seem like they have really made a great comeback after debuting the lowest quality production splitboards I have ever seen.

    I would argue that Jones is coming on stronger than ever and gaining more market share than ever, quality control be damned! It doesn’t seem to matter that they have QC issues, as their marketing (or the industry types behind them) are doing a great job at marketing product and getting it in front of people and on shelves (and websites). Jones is at most all the big suppliers–Backcountry, REI, EMS, etc. because they have the ability to market and produce higher volumes of recognizable product and have the Jones name to sell said product. From everything I hear, the shapes are great, but there is such a thing as marketing taking over momentum and you don’t have to have the best product to “win”.

    The question will be just how bad are the defects and are they enough that a company like REI or Backcountry would say it’s not worth carrying them because of returns and defects. I think that the marketing machine and brand momentum that is Jeremy Jones is a greater force than a lot of quality issues (not to me, but to the the financial outlook and big picture). This sport is growing rapidly, and Jones has the brand recognition that will drive it to remain a big player for a long time. Hopefully, the quality will be a priority and they can put out an awesome product that is first class and continue to push the sport. Jones definitely is pushing the sport in the media realm, and I’m buying that and a big fan of the films. I’m big into gear and into finding quality, but most people just starting out don’t know where to look and may not find out that they have quality issues until they’ve already bought their Solution and Hovercraft.

    #660895
    SteffenMUC
    3 Posts

    The only thing that I can say is that probably because of the fame JJ has, his brand is selling very well over here in Germany. Couldn´t get a Solution 164 anymore because it was sold out at the importer. Splitboarding is a hype this season and people are stoked by the Deeper and Further movies and the first brand that comes to their mind is Jones.
    Personally, I relied on the judgement of a guy that´s been splitboarding since day one. I trusted in a brand that has years of experience in the field and bought a Prior BC…

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