Forums Splitboards jones 12/13 build quality- anyone seen the goods?
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  • #577482
    dafu
    49 Posts

    given the issues on build quality in the last two seasons anyone seen the goods for jones 12/13 build quality?

    like the idea/marketing but as someone says elsewhere on the site Robust and robust are the number 1 and 2 criteria for splitboard products.

    #660837
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    dafu
    All I can say is that the Jones Importer into Australia convinced me that all the new boards will be coming from GST in Europe and that the build quality will be A+.
    I saw them at the recent trade show downunder but 5 mins in front of a board is no test.
    I’ve held off stocking them as I didnt want to sell a sub standard product , but every one wants them regaurdless :scratch:
    I hope they are quality, I’ve ordered heaps. Fingers crossed

    Adam West

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    #660838
    burton
    329 Posts

    on all boards are 1-2 years warenty – it is right ???
    look at voile 5 years ago the had a problem with delamination – the change all boards in new models for the customer…
    no one can risk to loose his good name – is Jones a god ore a bad name 😉

    burton

    #660839
    mjd
    40 Posts

    They are really solid. And not just the men’s Solution. The women’s split and the HC and MT look super high-end.

    #660840
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Yes, all boards are made in Austria now and are top quality. Boards are sick.

    #660841
    Supra
    42 Posts

    @shredgnar wrote:

    Yes, all boards are made in Austria now and are top quality. Boards are sick.

    don’t know how you can say that. When they were made in Tunisia, the company was saying the same thing (not about Austria).
    It’s going to take a season of no complaints for me to even consider them

    #660842
    Chef_Ben
    134 Posts

    Saw a new solution at a local ems, tight fit but graphic was WAY OFF at the center line :guinness: . Other than that looked real good.

    #660843
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    @Supra wrote:

    @shredgnar wrote:

    Yes, all boards are made in Austria now and are top quality. Boards are sick.

    don’t know how you can say that. When they were made in Tunisia, the company was saying the same thing (not about Austria).
    It’s going to take a season of no complaints for me to even consider them

    To Quote JimW from this thread:
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13738&p=102502&hilit=jones+quality#p102502

    Jones had a tent there with all the new boards on display. They are sick. Production is no longer by Nidecker, it’s now happening at a factory in Austria, and the overall build quality and quality control has apparently gone way up. The boards certainly look it.

    #660844
    Supra
    42 Posts

    What does that prove? His samples looked good. I’m sure his Tunisian samples looked good too. Just above chef Ben wrote that the new solution he saw had skewed graphics…which seems par for the course from last year. Don’t get me wrong, I want jones to succeed and I like the shape of his boards, but like I said , it’s going to take a season of positive reviews before I can consider them. Splits are so damn expensive that I can’t afford or want to afford buying something which wasn’t properly made.

    #660845
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Then don’t buy online, go to a shop, check out the boards for yourself and make your decision rather than relying on the internet to tell you what to do.

    #660846
    Taylor
    797 Posts

    You’re smart to give it a season, Supra. If Chef Ben is right–if boards with screwed up graphics are making it onto the showroom–then their quality assurance issues are obviously far from resolved.

    @sun_rocket

    #660847
    rughty
    620 Posts

    Just checked some solutions at the local shop and they looked great…I didn’t see any of the problems I remember hearing about last season. Crossing my fingers my carbon comes in perfect…

    #660848
    rdegnim
    2 Posts

    Could anyone detail what issues the jones 2012 solutions had? I am considered getting a used one off ebay. I am also looking at the 2013 models, so any updates on them would be appreciated.

    #660849
    JIn Kazama
    46 Posts

    Previous year Jones Solutions had those issues:
    – Splitboard job poorly done (that goes from inserts at the wrong place to damaged clips/rivets and gap problem (I had a karakoram clip that wouldn’t lock the board as the gap was too wide)
    – Topsheet problem – some boards had the topsheet going away after a few rides (top sheet from fiberglass to the top!)
    – Delaminating problem – some people had the board delaminated after a tiny jump…
    – Base problem – not properly glued, the base is some kind of puzzle – some people had the base not properly glued and had part of the base logo/letters stuck on their skin when they pull it off…
    – Wood Core is not a single piece (wood glued together)
    – I even had a board with 2cm difference between the 2 skis…

    To tell you the truth, I’d rather buy a 2nd hand board over a new previous year discounted one – at least you’
    re sure the board worked for at least a whole year!

    The Jones Solution is a pretty good ride – I’ve had such a hard time finding a good board that I stuck with them. This year, I’m getting a new one, build in Austria – hoping that I won’t have any of the previous years problem.

    To tell you the truth, I’ve had maybe ~15 solid boards in my life, all of them build in Austria/France and never had a single problem such as those described above. I don’t know why Jones stuck with nidecker for such a long time – around here (France), they got really bad word of mouth concerning quality/durability (even if the solution is one of the best split out there…).

    #660850
    Supra
    42 Posts

    AFAIK they are still with Nideker, they just switched factories.

    At the premiere last night the boards looked good, but the graphics on the 56 hover split didn’t line up (the mountains at the tail). No noticeable gaps on the splits

    #660851
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    @JIn Kazama wrote:

    – Wood Core is not a single piece (wood glued together)

    Pretty sure that’s standard ski/board construction right there. My grandmother’s solid hickory skis haven’t seen snow in the last 70 years…

    A lot of the issues sound as though there was some improper techniques in the resin/FWP layup process of construction. Meh, either way I think Jones missed out on the opportunity to colab with his POW initiative and build boards in North America, by shredders, for shredders, without having to toss them on a boat from Africa to get to market.

    That was Pontus

    #660852
    websherpa
    34 Posts

    Just got my old lady a 2013 solution split. The graphics aren’t matched and the camber is off between the two halves. I doesn’t seem to have an effect when in ride mode as the bindings even out the difference in camber but the build quality obviously isn’t perfect.

    #660853
    JIn Kazama
    46 Posts

    @maniacdave wrote:

    @JIn Kazama wrote:

    – Wood Core is not a single piece (wood glued together)

    Pretty sure that’s standard ski/board construction right there. My grandmother’s solid hickory skis haven’t seen snow in the last 70 years…

    A lot of the issues sound as though there was some improper techniques in the resin/FWP layup process of construction. Meh, either way I think Jones missed out on the opportunity to colab with his POW initiative and build boards in North America, by shredders, for shredders, without having to toss them on a boat from Africa to get to market.

    I don’t know how to translate this in English, in French, this is “abouté”. Wood core in a standard snowboard are wood pieces glued together but the pieces are single wood parts from tip to tail. Nidecker wood core are made from many tiny pieces of many different lengths – the cores are much worse, they have less flex and are easy to break.

    BTW, I got my hand on a 2013 Jones Solution, the graphic is a bit off in the center (blue line is not perfectly cut in half) but the board is of a MUCH better quality!
    – The base is properly done (there is no gap between the different ptex (color) parts or between the base and the edge).
    – The splitboard job is properly done (hooks and rivets are properly done, clips are tight, ski length are the same…)
    – Topsheet quality looks much better but not perfect (some tiny defects)

    Overall, that’s what I expect from an average Austrian manufacturer – if this is a normal wood core (not “abouté”), I think I’ll keep the board as long as I can (except if Jones releases a carbon version with real weight gain, not just carbon inserts for stiffness…)

    #660854
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    Gotcha, I know what you mean now.

    That was Pontus

    #660855
    rafomol
    16 Posts

    Waaaoow, crazy post.

    I got a Jones Solutions last January at Tactics in Eugene, OR. I rode it a few time back in Switzerland, probably 14-15 days in total. No problems discovered when I put it back the board bag. Hmm i feel lucky. And sorry for the people who got a board with problems.

    cheers,
    r.

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