Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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  • #579261
    Kyle Miller
    510 Posts

    Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on that one.

    #672751
    Kyle Miller
    510 Posts

    Sorry, for all you grammar Nazis

    “Is it okay to skin on AN established bootpack?

    I say give respect get respect but I have also been know to pee on the occasional snowshoe track. But the snowshoers started it!!!!

    #672752
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    I no one is around I don’t see a problem. But one time I was in the cattle-train hiking up Highland Bowl and some ignorant woman was in the middle of it on her skins. She was so annoying, asking to pass everyone. Definitely not cool. If there isn’t enough open space to the side to pass, take the skis off and boot it like everyone else.

    #672753
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Kyle
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    #672754
    rughty
    620 Posts

    as long as it’s flat or somewhat flat it shouldn’t make much difference. You’re only helping the poor booters by packing their snow for them. Skinning steeps should be done off the bootpack bc you don’t get much grip from all those holes anyways! In the end…If you are dumb enough to walk instead of skin, you probably shouldn’t bitch about anything skinners do in the back country. LOL

    #672750
    peacefrog
    376 Posts

    For me it depends on the nature of the trail. If it’s a high volume trail than I think its best to share because you’ll eventually make a super highway. If it’s a low volume WELL established powder bootpack stay off it. You’re going to knock snow into the postholes making it difficult to find the correct foot fall. If it’s a low volume established powder bootpack that’s fucked then do every one a stomp it out. Sure the bootpack will have to be reestablished but it will be much shallower and better than fighting a shitty bootpack. Bottom line we’ve all spent time booting, look at the trail and ask yourself what you would want if you were the next sucker to bootpack. As for snowshoers, fuck those guys!

    #672755
    Method
    151 Posts

    I’d probably break a new trail if there was room, but that’s more about not slipping and sliding over boot pack postholes than anything else. If it was steeper I’d probably just boot it given that some sucker has already laid in a boot pack for me.

    The other way around (booting in a skin track :nononno: ) on the other hand…. in Aus we’d tie them to a tree and fling kangaroo turds at them.

    @rughty wrote:

    as long as it’s flat or somewhat flat it shouldn’t make much difference. You’re only helping the poor booters by packing their snow for them. Skinning steeps should be done off the bootpack bc you don’t get much grip from all those holes anyways! In the end…If you are dumb enough to walk instead of skin, you probably shouldn’t bitch about anything skinners do in the back country. LOL

    +1

    @peacefrog wrote:

    As for snowshoers, fuck those guys!

    +1 x 911 x 1000 (and nobody knows how much that is)

    #672756
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    The saying goes over here that Norwegians are born with skis on their feet. I don’t know about that…but I do know I wasn’t born with a splitboard on my feet. I started on snowshoes.

    Haven’t most people here at some point been either booters or snowshoers?

    #672757
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    The great thing about winter is, if somebody boots in your skin track, or skins in your boot pack, or snowshoes in either, It’ll snow in a few days and cover all that shit right back up.

    I had a paradigm change a few years back when I saw telemark bootprints in a well established skintrack. Since then I’ve just said fuck it, anything goes.

    #672758
    maxpower88
    58 Posts

    A boot pack and a skin track go together like oil & water :poke:

    No skins = make your own boot pack and stay the fuck out of the skin track 😥

    Skins = make your own skin track and stay the fuck out the boot pack 😥

    This shit pisses me off, don’t boot in my skin track and vice versa :thumpsup:

    #672759
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    I’d go for mutual respect. I expect snowshoers and booters to stay out of the skin track and by that thought I’ll stay out of a boot pack. The worst that I could imagine happening (and I’ve seen it happen) is that some poor guy sets a boot pack only to be followed by several people on skins that turn the boot pack into a skin track and then when he’s back on his original boot pack he gets sh!t for sex changing the skintrack… There’s no benefit to skinning on the bootpack unless it’s already a flattened out highway.

    #672760
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    Bottom line is: if you find yourself skinning in an area where our more primitive knuckle-dragging relatives are booting, then you haven’t gone out far enough! :thumpsup:

    #672761
    acopafeel
    134 Posts

    rarely do i feel the need to chime in on shit like this…

    booting on a packed skin track would be easier than wallowing through a bunch of freshies.
    skinning on a packed boot track might be easier than busting a new trail trough a bunch of freshies.

    so who cares? :doobie: Is it really going to slow your roll that much?
    i think everyone needs to quit being such weenies :nononno:

    #672762
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    @acopafeel wrote:

    rarely do i feel the need to chime in on shit like this…

    booting on a packed skin track would be easier than wallowing through a bunch of freshies.
    skinning on a packed boot track might be easier than busting a new trail trough a bunch of freshies.

    so who cares? :doobie: Is it really going to slow your roll that much?
    i think everyone needs to quit being such weenies :nononno:

    I agree with you, but the attitude originated years ago with tele skiers who thought themselves above the snowshoeing class and relegated them into a separate trail, so as not to infect their oh-so-holy tele track with their filthy snowshoes…or something like that. :guinness:

    #672763
    q-tip
    8 Posts

    @acopafeel wrote:

    rarely do i feel the need to chime in on shit like this…

    booting on a packed skin track would be easier than wallowing through a bunch of freshies.
    skinning on a packed boot track might be easier than busting a new trail trough a bunch of freshies.

    so who cares? :doobie: Is it really going to slow your roll that much?
    i think everyone needs to quit being such weenies :nononno:

    +1

    I snowshoed for a couple of years, and I can tell you that although my skier friends weren’t thrilled when I broke trail, they were sure happy to follow rather than break it themselves. It’s not like anybody owns a skin track or boot pack. Take it or leave it, but don’t complain about it. It’s not that hard to skin on top of boot or snowshoe tracks.

    #672764
    chiller
    53 Posts

    are you talking boot track as in post hole or snow shoe or either? skin away, doesn’t affect how the snowshoes or post hole will work after you’ve skinned on it. doesn’t sound very fun though as boot tracks generally head straight uphill.

    #672765
    powslash
    382 Posts

    Ok Kyle what up with the etiquette question? Did something happen? You can tell us. 😉

    @chiller wrote:

    skin away, doesn’t affect how the snowshoes or post hole will work after you’ve skinned on it.

    I usually stay away from etiquette threads too but….Skinning on the boot pack could ruin it for walking by causing punch steps. The worst. Or it could make it better for walking by compacting the trail better. The “don’t be a dick” rule applies here. If the boot packers are present and skinning on the boot pack is ruining their day by making the walking more difficult… I wouldn’t do it. If the boot packers are not around…no harm then. Skin it.

    #672766
    Kyle Miller
    510 Posts

    Just thought it would be an interesting discussion.

    Seeing a lot of don’t bootpack on my skin track stuff so I wanted to bring out the opposite end of the question.

    I try to stay out of bootpacks in general but especially when it is loose granular snow as it will just fill in the steps and a pain.

    My real peeve is when people ski down the skin track now that is unacceptable.

    But this discussion could go on forever.

    What about dogs on skin tracks? < This question will start a war.

    Looking forward to putting up a TR about my adventures in New Zealand when I get back to the states.

    #672767
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    Dogs in the skin track aren’t a big deal for me yet. I don’t see enough out to really change the nature of the skin track and I’m usually pretty happy to see dogs out playing in the snow. I was out a week ago and saw a long haired dachshund jumping from one boot hole to the next in a boot pack. :mrgreen:

    #672768
    dude_reino
    467 Posts

    @Kyle Miller wrote:

    My real peeve is when people ski down the skin track now that is unacceptable.

    What do you mean? People skiing down the switchback part of the skin track? That defeats the whole purpose of earning turns. Not sure why anyone would do that.

    But skiing back to the car on the flats in the skin-track, I don’t think that is a problem. You need to keep up your speed. As long as you stop and step aside for uphill traffic.

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