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  • #579140
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    have you guys watched it?

    I’ve watched probably 10 times now and I still can’t decide how I feel. Curious on others thoughts. Beautiful footage and some insane skiing/riding. Also I feel like i’m cheating on my girlfriend these days as I’m finding the skiing sections of all the movies I’ve watched this year to be so much better than the snowboarding.

    #671976
    _ZakMills
    72 Posts

    I’ve felt the same way the last couple years watching the insane skiing parts and feeling like there weren’t any riders comparing to their level of shred. I feel like skiers body position lends to a higher level of shred. For example, you cant back slap a landing on a 80 foot cliff mid line on a snowboard and ride away cleanly. Skiers can. Also, skiers are always squared up to the fall lane making them more stable and being able to charge harder at higher speeds. Snowboarders seem to be limited by their equipment at a certain point. It’s all shredding though and I try to just enjoy it for what it is. (all of this is totally up for debate)

    #671975
    Splitinbend
    243 Posts

    I love good snow flicks, and that movie had insane footage…… But I couldn’t even finish it. I drove me nuts. I felt like I was watching a great movie on crack. It cuts in and out of shots so quick and there is no story to it.

    #671977
    acopafeel
    134 Posts

    But I couldn’t even finish it. I drove me nuts. I felt like I was watching a great movie on crack. It cuts in and out of shots so quick

    my thoughts exactly… it felt like watching a music video

    #671978
    Scooby2
    623 Posts

    Agreed, the movie is weird/wild/really aesthetically pleasing at the same time. I like slow cameras and longer clips. Loved the scene in Signatures where the guy makes a few turns down a couloir and the camera just fixes there watching snowballs tumble down the chute, a good echo of the occasional action and lasting (hopefully) silent beauty in the mts.

    @Earnyourturn wrote:

    skiers are always squared up to the fall lane making them more stable and being able to charge harder at higher speeds.

    I disagree that being squared to the fallline makes you more stable on skis. You have two skis, that makes things a lot more complicated whether the snow is really uniform or not.

    @Earnyourturn wrote:

    Snowboarders seem to be limited by their equipment at a certain point.

    Yes, if they ride boards 20cms shorter than skis with buttery soft flex patterns, then boards are held back.

    #671979
    Zude
    367 Posts

    Saw the movie the other day, i was in and out of sleep on the coach with my wife and it didn’t seem to matter. No plot-line really, the skiing was amazing but the revolving scene shit was lame (just to much of it).

    Skiers do seem to shred a little faster (but not much). I would love to learn how but i only have the cash for one bc set-up and i personaly don’t think that i would ever be able to charge like i can on a board in any snow condition (breakable crust, pow slush).

    #671980
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    @acopafeel wrote:

    But I couldn’t even finish it. I drove me nuts. I felt like I was watching a great movie on crack. It cuts in and out of shots so quick

    my thoughts exactly… it felt like watching a music video

    Agreed… stunning visuals but I prefer stuff like the Powderwhores. Into the Mind was just a little too glossy I guess.

    @earnyourturn wrote:

    Also, skiers are always squared up to the fall lane making them more stable and being able to charge harder at higher speeds. Snowboarders seem to be limited by their equipment at a certain point. It’s all shredding though and I try to just enjoy it for what it is. (all of this is totally up for debate)

    Disagree with pretty much all of this. Not to beat a dead horse, but you asked for debate, so…

    You neglect to point out that skiers are in mandatory control of two objects & two edges all the time. With that fact alone you should see why a board is more stable! Only limitations of a snowboard are logistical IMO… traversing, side-stepping, and so on. None of those things actually have to do with shredding big pow faces at high speeds.

    Also, before you say snowboarders are limited by their equipment, think about the length of a snowboard vs. length of skis and how that pertains to negotiating tight cruxes in narrow couloirs. Also think about how freaking solid self-belayed ice axe side slipping on your toeside edge is… no, not glamorous, but very useful and arguably safer than side-stepping w/ a whippet in shred mountaineering situations. Plus, boarders get to carry a real axe as opposed to a whippet. Another advantage. I could go on.

    #671981
    _ZakMills
    72 Posts

    @nickstayner wrote:

    @acopafeel wrote:

    But I couldn’t even finish it. I drove me nuts. I felt like I was watching a great movie on crack. It cuts in and out of shots so quick

    my thoughts exactly… it felt like watching a music video

    Agreed… stunning visuals but I prefer stuff like the Powderwhores. Into the Mind was just a little too glossy I guess.

    @earnyourturn wrote:

    Also, skiers are always squared up to the fall lane making them more stable and being able to charge harder at higher speeds. Snowboarders seem to be limited by their equipment at a certain point. It’s all shredding though and I try to just enjoy it for what it is. (all of this is totally up for debate)

    Disagree with pretty much all of this. Not to beat a dead horse, but you asked for debate, so…

    You neglect to point out that skiers are in mandatory control of two objects & two edges all the time. With that fact alone you should see why a board is more stable! Only limitations of a snowboard are logistical IMO… traversing, side-stepping, and so on. None of those things actually have to do with shredding big pow faces at high speeds.

    Also, before you say snowboarders are limited by their equipment, think about the length of a snowboard vs. length of skis and how that pertains to negotiating tight cruxes in narrow couloirs. Also think about how freaking solid self-belayed ice axe side slipping on your toeside edge is… no, not glamorous, but very useful and arguably safer than side-stepping w/ a whippet in shred mountaineering situations. Plus, boarders get to carry a real axe as opposed to a whippet. Another advantage. I could go on.

    Touche. Had not considered your points. Do you agree that the last couple years skiers across the board go bigger and faster on big mountain faces? If you agree, what do you attribute this to? If you don’t agree, the films i’m specifically thinking of TGR films the last few years (Tangerine dream, lost and found, one for the road, dream factory) they all go so big and so fast! Can you direct me to any film parts that compare for a snowboarder? Xav may be the only one that comes close. To be clear, i’m all about snowboarding. Don’t ski well currently and will never ski at the same level I ride but i think it’s interesting.

    #671982
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    Skiers always have and always will huck bigger drops than snowboarders. On a whole they always have and always will go faster. However, in perfect pow, most snowboarders can go as fast (some faster) than skiers. In hardpack skiers will always rule. Just how it is.

    #671983
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    @nickstayner wrote:

    Disagree with pretty much all of this. Not to beat a dead horse, but you asked for debate, so…

    You neglect to point out that skiers are in mandatory control of two objects & two edges all the time. With that fact alone you should see why a board is more stable!

    Try to run a steep downhill course on a snowboard. A dude on your “stable” board is going to fly out of control, lose and edge, and kill himself. Skis are way more stable when used by an expert, especially on hard snow. (same can be said of a speed skiing course)

    #671984
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    @BGnight wrote:

    Try to run a steep downhill course on a snowboard. A dude on your “stable” board is going to fly out of control, lose and edge, and kill himself. Skis are way more stable when used by an expert, especially on hard snow. (same can be said of a speed skiing course)

    Fair enough, but I thought we were talking about big mountain riding. When’s the last time you saw someone ski a big mountain like on 210cm, stiff as a 2×4, next-to-0 sidecut DH race skis? And the whole “when used by an expert” qualifier will inevitably turn this back into one of the “it’s not the tool, it’s the mechanic” sort of things…

    Minutiae season for sure!!

    (Sorry for the thread drift Dan!)

    #671985
    EBwest
    71 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    I’m finding the skiing sections of all the movies I’ve watched this year to be so much better than the snowboarding.

    good fur you and YOUR perception…

    #671986
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Dang man! I’m gonna make my own movies from now on and they are gonna be awesome! Like nobody is gowna use a helicopter, or any kinda artsy fartsy bullshit. We’re gonna have skiers, and only heavy metal, and a bunch of computer technology, but not too much, and we ain’t gonna refer to hippies at all. Man, it’s gonna be awesome man.

    Honestly, guys, do we really have to hash out this crap out every season, with every movie release? I’m sorry that your video turned out different than you would expect. Dang, that must have hurt. Now, is your whole season ruined because nobody asked for your input in the editing room?

    Booo Fucking Hooo!!!

    #671987
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    I was gonna get this vid based on DCP’s part alone (and their previous work)

    [vimeo:1v4i6hje]http://www.vimeo.com/77948519[/vimeo:1v4i6hje]

    ^^^anyone know what song that is?

    Re the skier vs snowboarder stuff…..for me it’s not about picking one that makes better sense on paper….its about what makes better sense for FUN….for ME. To each their own.

    For me, I’ve always really appreciated and enjoyed the crossover effect the board sports offer. Meaning, the basic fundamentals of balance, turn, jib, etc are the same regardless if I’m on a surfboard, snowboard, skateboard, wakeboard, longboard, noboard, powsurfer, skimboard, kiteboard, etc. I stand sideways and it doesn’t matter what board I’m on or what medium I’m in. Its all the same.

    I reckon the same could be said for people that like to face forward…skiing, rollerblading, hockey, etc.

    I think the sideways (board) turn just looks prettier than a ski turn (toilet turn) but again…just my opinion!

    I heart good skiers and have plenty of friends that ski….I just don’t want to be one. lol :thatrocks:

    #671988
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    @shredgnar wrote:

    Dang man! I’m gonna make my own movies from now on and they are gonna be awesome! Like nobody is gowna use a helicopter, or any kinda artsy fartsy bullshit. We’re gonna have skiers, and only heavy metal, and a bunch of computer technology, but not too much, and we ain’t gonna refer to hippies at all. Man, it’s gonna be awesome man.

    Honestly, guys, do we really have to hash out this crap out every season, with every movie release? I’m sorry that your video turned out different than you would expect. Dang, that must have hurt. Now, is your whole season ruined because nobody asked for your input in the editing room?

    Booo Fucking Hooo!!!

    uhhhh…… :scratch:

    #671989
    Splitinbend
    243 Posts

    @wasatch surf wrote:

    @shredgnar wrote:

    Dang man! I’m gonna make my own movies from now on and they are gonna be awesome! Like nobody is gowna use a helicopter, or any kinda artsy fartsy bullshit. We’re gonna have skiers, and only heavy metal, and a bunch of computer technology, but not too much, and we ain’t gonna refer to hippies at all. Man, it’s gonna be awesome man.

    Honestly, guys, do we really have to hash out this crap out every season, with every movie release? I’m sorry that your video turned out different than you would expect. Dang, that must have hurt. Now, is your whole season ruined because nobody asked for your input in the editing room?

    Booo Fucking Hooo!!!

    uhhhh…… :scratch:

    Sounds like thoughts inspired by alcohol.

    #671990
    nedrapier
    235 Posts

    Chris: Graham Nash – “Better Days” (1971)

    #671991
    russman
    692 Posts

    I’m just gonna say it…

    This is what happens when you give physically talented but undereducated privileged white kids a 20 million dollar budget:

    1) mind blowing level of skiing

    2) mind blowing cinematography

    3) mind blowing lack of plot line organization

    4) mind blowing separation / dissociation from reality

    5) mind blowing degree of Adult Attention Deficit Disorder

    It was like my brain kept wanting more of a deeper meaning to all this flashy shit, yet I realized that somewhere along the line these guys just got over funded, probably pressured to make something epic, and somehow forgot the basics of how to write a single paragraph. There’s an introduction, a body, and a closure… This was like one GIANT introduction with a fantastically disorganized body, and essentially no final clear closing message. It was like “we ski hot as shit, have a crap load of money, and here’s a pathetic attempt at a story line”.

    I mean, I’ll probably watch that BC section again because the shredding is unworldly, but I can’t say I’ll waist my time again watching that retarded snowboard half pipe section again. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?! The tricks were like early 90’s progression! Oh cool, he was trying a frontside 5! And he’s just sitting there hitting himself in the head?? It was the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen!

    Oh, my thoughts on the debate on which sport is more shredtastic (skiing vs. snowboard): They are different activities with their own strengths and weaknesses, and it mostly has to do with the rider…

    Xavier’s part in this movie was RAD! And he charges as fast as any skier… Just sayin!

    That’s the most spraying I’ve done in 5 years!

    #671992
    Rico in AZ
    559 Posts

    @russman wrote:

    This is what happens when you give physically talented but undereducated privileged white kids a 20 million dollar budget:

    1) mind blowing level of skiing

    2) mind blowing cinematography

    3) mind blowing lack of plot line organization

    4) mind blowing separation / dissociation from reality

    5) mind blowing degree of Adult Attention Deficit Disorder

    It was like my brain kept wanting more of a deeper meaning to all this flashy shit, yet I realized that somewhere along the line these guys just got over funded, probably pressured to make something epic, and somehow forgot the basics of how to write a single paragraph. There’s an introduction, a body, and a closure… This was like one GIANT introduction with a fantastically disorganized body, and essentially no final clear closing message. It was like “we ski hot as shit, have a crap load of money, and here’s a pathetic attempt at a story line”.

    I mean, I’ll probably watch that BC section again because the shredding is unworldly, but I can’t say I’ll waist my time again watching that retarded snowboard half pipe section again. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?! The tricks were like early 90’s progression! Oh cool, he was trying a frontside 5! And he’s just sitting there hitting himself in the head?? It was the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen!

    Oh, my thoughts on the debate on which sport is more shredtastic (skiing vs. snowboard): They are different activities with their own strengths and weaknesses, and it mostly has to do with the rider…

    Xavier’s part in this movie was RAD! And he charges as fast as any skier… Just sayin!

    Russman got it right.

    Our local avalanche center brought it to town for a fund raiser. Meh movie, I hope at least KPAC got a percentage of the bar revenue and made some money.

    I felt like I was watching Into the Mind lit up on equal doses of meth and acid, not just the handful of Newcastle’s in my belly. Speed up, slow down. Overlayed images, like the half pipe scene? Projected scenes onto active scenes? ADD editing? Lots of film making gimmickery, but lacking cohesion. Yeah yeah, Sherpas, I get it, but I didn’t really like it.
    One thing I’ve always hated in snow porn flicks is quick editing, or the so called “trick film”. I’ve always preferred editing (which comes top down from the production company), a film that shows more of the run; I felt Into the Mind was pretty much a trick reel.

    Valhalla was much better. That one I would watch again. It has naked ladies!

    #671993
    cometogether
    385 Posts

    Just that little dcp teaser clip had too many edit cuts. Granted the water to snow transition was fucking sick but barley any riding. Those pillows are the sex though.

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