Forums Splitboard Talk Forum I rode hard boots today…
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  • #567548
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    😯

    more to come later. 😀

    #587023
    jack
    323 Posts

    did you ride switch at all? is it possible?

    #587024
    fortysix2
    112 Posts

    That’s funny…last week was the first time out on a split with the softboots…and I loved it. I’m thinking I’ll keep the hardboots for target practice :mrgreen: …kidding. I’m sure I’ll still use the hardboots, but I love that surfy feeling. Now, I just need some good bindings, because the ones I used last week WILL be used for target practice. Look forward to hearing about your experience.

    #587025
    ninjabirdman
    10 Posts

    😡 bcrider, why you gotta leave us hangin’ like that?! i’m really curious about hardboots, i’ve been waiting for that ‘under construction’ to disappear from the article in split 101 about hard v soft boots since i found this wonderful site!

    anyway, can’t wait to hear what you thought about them =)

    #587026
    knucklesplitter
    340 Posts

    Yeah, BCR. I’ll need new boots soon, and I’m thinking about AT’s. What the scoop?

    #587027
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    Dont be a Dick BCR…..spill it! 😉

    #587028
    lifelinksplit
    282 Posts

    Well it looks like I have to try the darkside now. I got a pair of the mtn plates from scrubfest(thanks voile and DJ) and I have the boots set aside at work. BH wasn’t looking too bad rocking the hard boot steeze this last weekend either 😯

    #587029
    BridgerHippy
    61 Posts

    I went to hard boots 3 weeks ago, and I dont think that I will go back!!! 😀

    #587030
    Jon Dahl
    384 Posts

    WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE, WE HAVE COOKIES!

    #587031
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    Ok, sorry for the delay guys.

    Here are a few random thoughts (in no particular order) from my day on hard boots.

    Overall I was impressed that it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be (coming from a softboot background). It was still snowboarding and I still had fun. 🙂 However due to my specific needs, style, desires, location, etc…I don’t think I will make the cold-turkey switch 100% anytime soon. Will I keep them in my quiver and fine tune the fit and performance, absolutely.

    I used the Lowa Struktura EVO boot with Bomber splitboard bindings. It was recommended that I go to the ski resort for my first day on hardboots and since that doesn’t happen too often I knew it was my golden opportunity to do so on a recent family ski trip.

    I ran the top buckle on the cuff very loose and found this made the feel of the boots to be more similar to softboots than when I had it cranked down. I also found that technique plays a bigger factor than the gear itself. When I tried, I was still able tuck my back leg in a little and make nice turns. I did find that my overall style was changed a tad though. It seemed like the natural instinct is to carve the board more on this setup (obvious). Coming from a surfing background this is something I already do but with the hard boots I could really carve like a mad man on the groomers. It was a good time.

    While carving is fun I also like to catch air and jib around a bit. I played around riding switch and found that it is possible…just not as natural. I used my same angles and width as my softboots and didn’t use cants. To get the set up to work for me I had to really concentrate on bending my knees and being in a forward lean position. Getting in and out of the bindings was easy. I didn’t find the boots to be particularly comfortable though. Even with my custom liners my feet hurt for most of the day. The problem is where the buckles are on these boots. They don’t go over the ankle and they don’t go over the toes…they’re in the middle. This killed my arch. They also didn’t seem very comfortable for regular walking. Again, I’m sure a different model or custom boot work would help. Ski boots don’t seem like they have as much out of the box success as softboots.

    I was stoked to try some hard boots out and its reassuring to know that the option is there if I really need to use a plastic boot (high altitude, steep ice, long distance, or if I just want to mix it up). I do think that the hardboot setup makes the most since with a Dynafit compatible boot so you can do the Dynafit touring bracket mod. It’s pricy but it seems well worth it if you are going this route.

    I look forward to trying them more (and I have my eyes out for a Dynafit compatible boot) but I won’t be giving up my SL8s/C60s and Clicker HB/T1s anytime soon. They work fine for me in my region and don’t require a radical style change.

    Hope that helps a little. YMMV.

    #587032
    powderjunkie
    1669 Posts

    Obie 1: “Young jedi. Do not stray to the dark side.”

    Yoda: “You’re jedi training has failed you, young bcrider. This I know, for you have been in the land of groomers and gapers. Further, you have given up the jedi’s weapon, and chosen a plastic replacement………..perhaps, for the empty love of cookies?”

    #587033
    jared
    56 Posts

    jeez, BCR, all hell has broken loose since the last time I was here. but thanks for the report-I’ve been wondering what a fellow clicker critter would think about hardies

    #587034
    Zach
    127 Posts

    Pretty much reinforces what I’ve learned… if you want to do hard boots, you need to go “whole-hog”… high angles, new technique, etc…

    Zach

    Bcr, don’t know if you heard, but Jef has come over to the dark side and swears he’ll never go back 😈

    #587035
    Sydnorque
    25 Posts

    I didn’t find the boots to be particularly comfortable though. Even with my custom liners my feet hurt for most of the day. The problem is where the buckles are on these boots. They don’t go over the ankle and they don’t go over the toes…they’re in the middle. This killed my arch. They also didn’t seem very comfortable for regular walking. Again, I’m sure a different model or custom boot work would help. Ski boots don’t seem like they have as much out of the box success as softboots.

    I’ve been back and forth from hard to soft, looking for comfort and control. Rode a pair of Garmont AT’s for a week years ago that had me crying and left my feet numb for months. I’ve now got Dynafit TLT 700’s (ladies 11 for my narrow heel) with Deeluxe liners and microwave footbeds that are so sweet, they’re more comfortable than any soft boot I’ve used. I used them for a week, averaging 5000’/day with none of the pain, blisters, or cold feet that every other boot I’d used gave me.

    Once I got the right fit, there was no need to crank buckles. Snugged them for downhill – no heel lift, great control (left them in “walk”). Backed the middle buckle off a notch and let the cuff go for uphill – total comfort.

    Not to say that plastic is the way to go for everyone (I think we’ve figured that out, at least), but I’ve got no reason to go back.

    #587036
    Jon Dahl
    384 Posts
    Zach wrote:
    Pretty much reinforces what I’ve learned… if you want to do hard boots, you need to go “whole-hog”… high angles, new technique, etc…

    I’ve got to 3rd or 4th that. Proper liners, footbeds, and the right shells go a long ways towards that goal. I’ve tried on A.T. boots that made me hurt in the shop w/o moving, much less riding, but Ive got the same story for almost every soft boot made. I am very certain if you were to modify your stance and angles it would only get better. Go get ’em!

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