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  • #662874
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Schwalbster, perhaps English is your second language, although you appear to be fluent to me, so maybe that is not it. I do not speak German, being somewhat a typical ignorant American in terms of how many languages I can understand.

    To be entirely clear:

    “Your basic message is simple: HB set-up done right is far superior to any soft boot set-up for serious splitboard mountaineering.”

    That is not my message, my message, which is an opinion to which I am entitled is as follows: A well sorted hard boot system is superior to any soft boot system for virtually all splitboarding, with the exception of close to the road pure freestyle sessions.

    It appears that some folks here are perceiving some kind of hidden agenda on my part, trying to infer somehow that “I am radder then you” or something to that effect, there is nothing like this on my mind. Firstly, I do not believe that hard boots are for snowboard mountaineering only, far from it, I prefer them for all of my splittin’, only a small percentage of which is mountaineering. So, if people think by my use of hard boots, somehow I am making a sideways inference about my “rad mountaineering skills” they are in error and making things up.

    Indeed, my opinion is that a current well set up hard boot system, is superior to a current well set up soft boot system. There is a difference between my opinion, and say, Brooks’: I have ridden almost all other systems currently available, or available since 1983. To the best of my knowledge, Brooks has never ridden a well set HB system, and it appears, that few of the riders who criticize the use of HBs for snowboarding have any experience with a good HB set up.

    Also, what is the damage of me making these statements of my opinion? A “slap” in the face? Why? Do you feel threatened somehow? I guess I just do not get it.
    I offer my opinion and experience here for the benefit of those who might be interested in trying a hard boot set up, if you are not interested, no worries man. I have seen a number of riders make the switch, and all of them have been very happy with the results. I am in debt to this site, thanks Chris, for the sharing of knowledge of all things split.

    #662875
    grubbers
    150 Posts

    @b0ardski wrote:

    Racism by any other name.

    ……..

    Really?

    #662876
    UTAH
    830 Posts

    Guys I’ve read every page and I enjoy it. I find BG funny and Barrows informative. I’ve ridden with many people from this site and there all good people and legit riders. The problem is people over think things and try to put words in other peoples mouths……don’t. If you don’t like the topic don’t participate in the discussion.

    It’s fun to talk shit and dork out, that’s what this site is for. Your getting multiple perspectives from passionate people, who cares. Are you really “that offended”, I don’t get it. Some of you guys need to get out with the boys and remember that that’s what we do…we talk shit, giggle like girls and hug each other when were super happy.

    Unfortunately the people who have got on here and tried to tell others how to act have only come off sounding like self- righteous guys on their :soapbox:

    What soft booters or anyone else should notice about Joey’s shredding is how he interprets the mountain, slashes that feature, pops that one. A skier doesn’t see the mtn that way only true shredder, one with the mountain, surfing the earth. His gear is unrelevant but like barrows said he puts to rest a lot of the shit talked by a few that still don’t see HB as one viable option. I will be buying the new Dynafit TLT when I get the coin to BALANCE my quiver of gear. There’s a time and place for everything. And I will appreciate all of Barrow’s post when I do and need to start making some adjustments.

    Take care.

    #662877
    b0ardski
    251 Posts

    @grubbers wrote:

    @b0ardski wrote:

    Racism by any other name.

    ……..

    Really?

    well, sorry for that, a little over the top.
    I was in a pissy mood and on a rant.

    The prevalent Antiskier attitude back in the day always blew my mind.

    #662878
    shasta
    143 Posts

    Utah really said this:

    “Unfortunately the people who have got on here and tried to tell others how to act have only come off sounding like self- righteous guys on their

    What soft booters or anyone else should notice about Joey’s shredding is how he interprets the mountain, slashes that feature, pops that one. A skier doesn’t see the mtn that way only true shredder, one with the mountain, surfing the earth.”

    Talk about self righteous…and dead wrong:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbKUHDUH29k&feature=player_detailpage&list=PLC2E6A1BCC1EBB81A

    I think he passed Joey somewhere in the third run.

    #662879
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Allz I know is two things. . .
    1. This is totally worth getting worked up about.
    and
    2. My whole winter is shot until we solve this.

    Be sure to bookmark Splitboard.com's Recent Activity page...
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    #662880
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @hansgludwig wrote:

    Allz I know is two things. . .
    1. This is totally worth getting worked up about.
    and
    2. My whole winter is shot until we solve this.

    LOL, thanks Hans! Right now, conditions just suck in Colorado, so perhaps us CO riders are spending a little too much time on the interwebs and not enough time slashing POW…

    #662881
    UTAH
    830 Posts

    My goodness Shasta I was trying to bring my snowboard brothers together making the point that no matter what we ride were still one in the same. I wasn’t trying to piss off the one skier on this site. I should have just kept my mouth shut. Take care.

    #662882
    powslash
    382 Posts

    This has probably been covered before but… you hack up a pair of harboots and get flex that is comparable to _____ pair of softboots. Are we talking Driver X/Malamute territory? Or softer?

    #662883
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    @powslash wrote:

    This has probably been covered before but… you hack up a pair of harboots and get flex that is comparable to _____ pair of softboots. Are we talking Driver X/Malamute territory? Or softer?

    You are only considering the descent portion of your trip with that thought process. How long do you spend ascending vs. descending? Need to consider the advantages in both aspects of your outing.

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #662884
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @powslash wrote:

    This has probably been covered before but… you hack up a pair of harboots and get flex that is comparable to _____ pair of softboots. Are we talking Driver X/Malamute territory? Or softer?

    powslash: I used my Driver Xs as the model for the flex I wanted to get out of the TLT5. My TLT5 actually ended up a little softer. I think 96av… has a good point though, depending on what your typical riding and touring is like you might not want to make the boots too soft medially and laterally, which could compromise touring performance.
    Once one gets the hang of cutting down the cuff (a little at a time) one realizes than one can dial in the flex pretty precisely to individual preference.
    I remember karkis took a pair of Scarpa Lasers (generally way to stiff for riding) and ended up removing the entire front part of the cuff and upper buckle, just leaving a “highback”, as I recall he said this was super soft, and too soft for really touring, but he mentioned he could tweak airs like riders did in the old days…

    #662885
    jimw
    1420 Posts

    Geez, I actually went splitboarding for a couple days and missed out on all the excitement on this thread! 🙂

    Barrows, no hard feelings man, I really get the feeling you honestly don’t intend to come across in any negative way, which actually the only reason I mentioned it… cuz I think sometimes your posts come across that way unintentionally. I think it’s just another example if the difference between talking on the interwebz and talking face to face in Real Life. Actually I think it would be great if you, me, BG, and Henning were all in the same room talking about this stuff and actually checking out our different setups. (BTW, what boot size are you? Maybe I’ll come out there one of these days and you can show me a properly dialed hardboot setup… and you can ride my 148 Burton Spliff with softboots! :))

    Got more questions about the boot overhang thing but I’ll stop threadjacking. Agreed with what UTAH and others said… Joey is just a smooth rider regardless of what boot he’s using.

    #662886
    jimw
    1420 Posts

    @bgnight wrote:

    I think bcd’s koflach oxygen with toe bail/highback and ankle strap makes a lot of sense. A lighter fitwell softboot but maybe with a soft plastic (really a hardboot/softboot hybrid) that has good ankle articulation in all directions that uses a separate high back and ankle strap but has a toe bail and dynafit touring bracket. He was/is onto something.

    Last time I talked to him I think he said he had bailed on that design. Too much work keeping the frankenstein system going. He also mentioned that after going back to soft boots he realized he liked them a lot better for certain things, like routes where you are scrambling on rocks. But of course missed other things like the step-kicking ability of those hardboots.

    Of course if saw some progress in a production hardboot setup that worked well out of the box and didn’t require a shitload of mods, more folks might adopt it.

    BTW got some size 11 Oxygens if anyone is interested…

    #662887
    moridinbg
    151 Posts

    I recommend all the doubters to borrow a pair of TLT5s and the required bindings from a friend for two or three days. For me the last three days were
    Day 1 was kind of introductionary, amazingly it took me no more than 2 or 3 pistes to get the feeling of the system.
    Day 2 was powder day. Lots of surfing. Impossible on hardboots? Read the first sentence again and follow the advice.
    Day 3 was La Grave – for those over the pond – one gondola to 3200 meters and not a single ski run. Lots of forrests, couloirs and technicle descents. going Only freeride down to 1400m. I couldn’t appreciate the improvement in control more. I see my self doing things I didn’t feel like attempting before.

    May be it’s because of the Voile plates I have mounted the bindings on and the slack of this system, but I feel that I have lost only a bit of sideways flex (think getting the knees closer together and away) and not much difference in forward flex.

    Anyway, bottom line is – try before bashing online. I am starting to see the reason of barrows non-stop repeating “try properly set up system first”. It’s for a reason. Thank you, barrows, for the advice.

    #662888
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    god can this thread die already.

    I like rye more than bourbon, and my opinion is more important than anyone else’s on here, and anyone that doesn’t agree is wrong. grow a dick.

    #662889
    tigre
    32 Posts

    I actually really appreciate this thread. I know people can get kind of shitty with arguments and so on, but I’ve gotten quite a bit of what I think is good perspective. Personally, I’m just about sold on hard boots. I know I hate skinning with these clunky soft boots and bindings. How nice it would be to only have light boots, and ones that could kick step and not slip around and feel awkward while hiking. Whatever boots you choose, though, the mountains are there for all of us, and it’s great inspiration to me to see people so passionate about getting out there, however they choose to do it.

    #662890
    moridinbg
    151 Posts

    Another plus for hardboots, again in touring mode – more natural stride, without lifting the ski.
    The no-walk mode of softboots + the highback of the bindings force softies to make shorter strides and to lift partialy or entirely the ski, when touring. Also the axis of rotation is directly at the end of the toes and on their plane, instead of being forward and under of them with soft bindings and a pin (much worse if using Voile adaptor plates).
    Something that I have observed quiet a lot with a friend riding Spark Burners on Prior AMF 160 with 32s and I experienced last season with Spark Burners on Never Summer Summit with Forum Destroyer boots. Yes, it’s avoidable with practice, you can get used to it, but you can get used to being in a prison too 😆

    #662891
    KGN
    215 Posts

    @moridinbg wrote:

    Another plus for hardboots, again in touring mode – more natural stride, without lifting the ski.
    The no-walk mode of softboots + the highback of the bindings force softies to make shorter strides and to lift partialy or entirely the ski, when touring.

    I agree with some of your post, but this is false. You don’t have to lift the ski when touring with softies..

    #662892
    prior_rider
    109 Posts

    I tried hardboots for a little while. I bought some Scarpa magics or lasers, I can’t recall which, and used them with the Voile mtn plate system. I think it is a better setup for the uphill skinning. An inefficiency in my skinning is related to ankle flex on longer moderate angle traverses where I tend to blow out the downhill skin track as it is harder to plant my ski in square with the track due to softer boots. My skier friends simply don’t have the same issue as much. I didn’t enjoy the ride down however. Even loosening them into walk mode, the downhill experience felt more forced and less playful. While it is certainly true that you spend far more time and energy in the uphill portion of your trips, if it weren’t for some kind of downhill ride, you likely wouldn’t be using a splitboard at all.

    This season I went with the DeeLuxe XVs and so far so good.

    #662893
    FloImSchnee
    291 Posts

    @kgn wrote:

    @moridinbg wrote:

    Another plus for hardboots, again in touring mode – more natural stride, without lifting the ski.
    The no-walk mode of softboots + the highback of the bindings force softies to make shorter strides and to lift partialy or entirely the ski, when touring.

    I agree with some of your post, but this is false. You don’t have to lift the ski when touring with softies..

    Same experience here — no ski lifting with stiff softboots and Sparks.

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