- January 30, 2017 at 9:08 am #799369mar123Participant
Got myself a fruit boot setup, got a couple solid tours and thought i’d post a very short term review.
The setup…I will echo what everyone else has already said about the Phantom bindings – solid/quality
The Fischer Traverse Carbon was my favorite boot that I tried on at the shop out of the TLT6 and Alien. Its a light, simple, comfortable boot. I really like the boa lace system with the brass pulleys, its really smooth, and evenly conforms over the foot with no pressure points, very nice, and easy to adjust on the fly. The top velcro strap/buckle combo is also very nice and super easy to adjust on the fly. Very Simple.
The boot itself is sealed up with an internal gator, there are no holes or gaps for snow to leak inside. (FYI, The boot liner has been removed in the photo)
The boot has 80 degrees of rotation in walk mode and is really comfortable to tour in. Between the boa lace and upper strap you can keep the boot on the looser side for mellow touring or crank it down and it keeps my foot in place with no movement inside the boot, no ankle roll or heel lift in technical skinning and ride mode.
I think this boot has a nice flex in ride mode and I don’t foresee having to mod it in any way. I have a stiff soft boot setup: Driver X/ Sparks, so I’m probably already accustomed to riding with a stiffer boot anyways. It took a little getting used to riding in hard boots mainly its a little harder/harsher on the feet. I haven’t been in sub zero temps yet but on these two tours my feet stayed warm, which was a relief. One of the tours involved booting up a 2k couloir and I could feel my toes getting cold If i stopped moving for a bit but never to the point of it being unpleasant. My feet also stayed dry.
Compared to other boots I believe the fit was a size smaller for me. Im about 27.5 for most other boots and in these I’m a size 26.5. The only thing I have done so far is I had them heat molded and put in my own insoles.
Overall really happy with this boot so far, I hope it holds up in the long term, will post any additional thoughts/findings as I get more time on them. I would definitely recommend this boot, if your in the market for some new boots you should consider these as an option.February 27, 2017 at 8:34 am #800785mar123Participant
Just thought id follow up and re-confirm my thoughts about these boots, really digging them. Been on just about everything from long approaches, full day tours, booting, crampons, technical terrain etc and they are great! …Not missing the soft boots. If your looking to go hard boots I would consider these as an option.
Some places have them on sale for 629.00.March 8, 2018 at 5:07 am #817052
Thanks for your thoughts on this boot.
I really like the idea of boa on the lower and combo with buckle on the shaft.
Any trouble with the shallow toe welt and the phantoms front bail coming off?
How is the inherent flex/restance of the boot without the ride mode engaged and just the top buckle done up firm? Have your tried riding without the ride mode engaged?March 8, 2018 at 1:07 pm #817076
I’ve got about 75 days on the non-carbon Travers (black with yellow cuffs). I ride them with the top buckle/strap tight, but without the ride mode engaged. I occasionally miss the “highback” feeling, mostly on a icy, chattery heelside turn that I didn’t execute the way I wanted to, but 99% of the time I love the soft overall flex and surfy feel. After a bit of a learning curve, they carve as hard as any boots I’ve ridden. I have OneBinding pucks on my solid and ride these with Dyno DH’s at the lifts as well as touring.
My last boots were TLT5s, which I also rode with the upper buckle closed but the tang/forward lean lock not engaged, so I’m pretty used to a softer set up. The Fischers are definitely softer than the TLTs, but more comfy for my feet in every regard.
After 75 days or so, I am seeing a bit of breakdown on the internal fabric gaiter portion of the boot, but they remain totally waterproof so far. Some of the threads have unthreaded, and I managed to pull one of the pull-loops completely off. I also have some minor seam failure on on of the liners. Duct tape is keeping it all from getting worse. Killer boots!March 13, 2018 at 1:40 am #817211
Tried them on and they seem to be a good fit for me. $$$ though.
Wondering if it could be an idea to go up a size and run a thicker liner and a footbed.
Have you made any attempt or had any thought regarding modifications of the forward lean?
Sounds like I ride alot like you, and that I’ll like to ride them without ride mode engaged.
To me, the most awesome splitboard AT boot would be with the bottom half of this and the top half of a snowboard boot.March 13, 2018 at 9:14 am #817217
I have not played around with the forward lean since I ride them “unlocked” all the time, but the lock lever is really simple, and theoretically would be easy to replace with something longer, shorter, spring loaded, rubbery, etc. The uppers on the non-carbon model are also quite soft, so I haven’t even needed to trim down the lateral or medial edges of the upper shell like I did with my TLTs. I imagine they must suck as ski boots, but they’re as close to a perfect snowboard boot as I’ve seen!
It took me a while to find them, but I managed to get the non-carbons for $411 shipped from Germany last year. I was a little worried about the transaction, but it all went through smoothly. Here’s the site I bought them from:March 13, 2018 at 9:44 am #817218TaylorParticipant
The design of this boot is very similar to the Alien. Clearly more robust, and I expect not as compact (BSL) or light. Looks like a good option (if my Aliens every die). Thanks for the reviews.March 13, 2018 at 9:49 am #817219
I understand that the carbon and plain black Travers boot are the same grilamid shell and cuff, just that on the sole of the carbon they laminate some carbon/aramid cloth laminated there to stiffen the sole and the liner is a palau liner which saves some more weight. I think the black cuff on the Carbon made folks think it was stiffer or fiber impregnated grilamid, it’s not, it is the same. Next year the lowers are sort of a greyish black with black uppers and only the small pulley part and the buckle are yellow, really not fruit boot looking at all. No idea if they are going to market the plain travers to the US. My guess would be no, if sales of the yellow carbon boot are strong here at $800-$900. It would probably only hurt sales of the yellow boot.
There are a few spots in the EU that will sell random sizes at $350 to 450 in the spring and they go pretty quick. The non carbon travers must wholesale at what, $200 US? $250? Competition on retail mark-up must not be too far off in this segment.March 13, 2018 at 9:54 am #817220
and yes, the softy die hard that I am, I couldn’t resist picking up a pair at 345 shipped to go mod-wild. I went up a shell size and will stretch the front width to drop a snowboard liner in there. A pound per foot is too good not to try. got them from sports direct out of the UK (they sold through already). bsl as I recall is about the same as alien and the atomic one.March 13, 2018 at 10:01 am #817221
and sizing is big. I usually wear a 29, size 11. The 28 shell fit well, which was the same bsl as the scarpa alien that fit me (ouch) but I went big anyway in pursuit of the squishy thick liner approachMarch 13, 2018 at 11:00 am #817222
Yep, BSL is very compact. 296mm on my 27.5s. Also, because the last is a bit wider, I was able to size down a full size from my previous Dynafits. The BSL is basically 10mm longer than the length of my bare foot, yet they are the most comfortable [ski] boots I’ve ever worn. They look freakishly compact poking out of baggy Flylow bibs.
The liner is indeed very thin on the non-carbons, but I’ve never gotten cold in them including plenty of below-zero days in Vermont and Quebec. YMMV.March 14, 2018 at 1:29 am #817257
Pulling the trigger on these. Price dropped 20% from yesterday to today.
I’ll do the same as scooby2 and try a different liner hoping to add some more support, flex and warmth.
I have had success with intuition powerwrap liners. I feel the “wrap” adds a nice support/flex toe side from the friction in the wrap and the extra padding on the shin of the liner.
Thinking about it after having studied and tried the boot, the forward lean seems pretty good as-is. It’s more the heel side I think could use a little more.
Maybe a friction layer on the heel side between the upper part of the shell and the liner could work. Just to add friction, no mechanics. Maybe fixed to the forward lean lock pin and even combinded with some type of rubbery “magic cube” which compresses on heelside. Almost like a brace which could slip on when the upper is pulled all the way back.
About modding medially as is done on TLTs. You would have to cut into the gaiter to do that. Really don’t think this boot needs it like other boots do. Feels nice and flexy already. If anything, it’s the upper which needs atttention.March 15, 2018 at 7:02 am #817340
Hate to report bad news, but I was skinning last night and felt a sudden looseness in my right foot. I looked down and found that the whole boa mechanism had snapped off the boot. The boa dial still functions, but the tiny baseplate attaching it to the boot is apparently made of thin plastic! It looks to be less than 1mm thick. One of the best features of the Travers may end up being its Achilles heel.
A Voile strap around my boot at the instep allowed me to still enjoy the run down (30″ of new snow didn’t hurt!). This should be a warranty item, but I’m trying to sort out how to get the claim handled without shipping my boot back to the shop in Germany I ordered it from. Not ideal with a 3-day trip starting tomorrow and a longer one next month. I’ll update this thread if/when I get it sorted. Until then, my enthusiasm is definitely decreased.March 15, 2018 at 10:20 am #817359
It is probably a good idea to find some real thin kiteboarding string or something that you can manually lace the boot up with to save a tour.March 15, 2018 at 12:36 pm #817364
Agreed. I carry some thin static cord for just such an occasion. And several Voile straps which can fix almost anything! The Boa cable still actually stays reasonably snug, but the dial is now kind of flopping on the top of my foot rather than fixed to one side. I’ve researched it a bunch this morning, and Boa has plentiful and cheap repair kits available. My issue seems to be the bracket that the Boa dial was fixed to, however, which is a proprietary Fischer part.March 20, 2018 at 6:58 am #817571
What a bummer! Do you have a pic?
I received my boots but not tried riding them yet.
I did try squeezing an Intuition power wrap liner in there, but it was very tight because of the gaiter. (Not sure if they are the MV og HV version.)
I think the boots will need some changes before I’ll be 100% happy with them.
– Ankle buckle. Just the shape of my foot I guess, but I miss some heel hold. Also after your boa-failure it feels risky to put all that load on the boa lock alone.
– Forward lean lock. As standard, it locks in at 14 degrees forward. I like to be able to stand upright in a more relaxed position, so I want something around 0-5.
I like the idea of riding them without the forward lean lock engaged. But worried about the high risk of ankle injury in a crash or bad landing, and .
Also going to stick a plastic tongue in to give the added ankle buckle something to push against.March 20, 2018 at 2:35 pm #817580
How would you put an ankle strap on and not have it push against the boa dial? Split the strap around it?March 20, 2018 at 3:30 pm #817582
Either that or use a narrow strap I guess.
Tested them on slopes this evening. Not a great fit for me this boot 🙁
With the forward lean locked in it felt stiffer than I would have thought, and with my heel feeling like it was coming out it was not a good ride.
With the forward lean unlocked it was even worse. Was using all the strength I have in my foot up towards the Boa to get some kind of feeling of control.
Worked noticably better in unlocked forward lean with the Intuition power wrap liners , but still had so much heel lift I felt I was coming out of the boot. To compensate I had to tighten the shaft buckle uncomfortably tight.
So I dunno. Cut my losses and find better fitting boot, or start modding.March 20, 2018 at 4:28 pm #817584
It’s a summer project for me, but I am
1. cutting the cuffs down so they are highbacks, not cuffs.
2. making some kind of strap around the highback with layers of 4″ elastic.
3. having the forefoot stretched a few mms wider on both sides.
4. probably reinforcing the tongue of whatever liner I end up running with.
5. If things go well maybe making a new latch that has a more relaxed lean angle and a second notch for pow riding but keeping the highback from going back all the way
6. maybe attacking the remaining highback plastic with a sander so it has more give at the top
7. selling them or melting them into a puddle in a metal bucket over a fire if they affect more than one nice day of riding in a negative way, LOLMarch 21, 2018 at 2:02 am #817596
Good thougths here. Although I recon if you are not willing to put in a little R&D time testing in the field, you may as well jump to #7 🙂
Like your idea about thinking of the cuff as a highback. K2 and others did that kind of thing in the 90’s with step in boots like the K2 Yak.
You would loose that medial/lateral stiffness which is so good for touring though.
Could you elaborate on your elastic strap idea?
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