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  • #665694
    Draizuh
    61 Posts

    Japan isnt as steep as it is deep sadly, Something a lot of people dont seem to realise. The biggest thing i found as an issue was getting enough speed. the place just isnt that steep. There is steeper stuff around hakuba and other spots on Honshu then what i was riding but the snow in hakuba just isnt as dry as the north where its less steep.. Compromise blows. I could see where a wide waisted board would suck.

    Ill hopefully be taking one of these out for a slide on some classic NZ wind drifted “pow” this year if im nice to Firstlight 😀

    #665695
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    I was riding in nagano so plenty of steeps but I know exactly what you mean. My best performing boards have short radii and narrow waists.
    I reckon Adams board will ride well.

    #665696
    karkis
    270 Posts

    1stlite – sidecut on a 167 furberg is almost 8mm. i understand your profile description but again i don’t see it being super functional. cambers purpose is to distribute pressure from your weight but if your feets are placed near each end of the cambered section the pressure will be focussed on those 2 points. not that it doesn’t work, most snowboards work, but the 2 pressure points require more exaggerated fore / aft motions through the turn…. maybe if you’re a surfer you find the extra upper body movement to be natural???

    BobG – i don’t think barrows was saying YOU are afraid of change, i think its more directed at a number of producers who think just putting some early rise in the nose turns their same old boards into pow slayers. sure it helps in pow but like i said above, most boards work… boards that work really well in a variety of conditions… need more than just a bit of rise in the nose, as i expect you’re aware. and i’d +1 to the Furberg being a remarkably effortless and responsive ride in most conditions (choppy hardpack being the obvious exception). in contrast to what you described of your boards, which i don’t know much about, i think the factors on a Furberg which ease its ability to turn are full rocker wi fairly stiff flex, and the extended contact points reducing the effective edge, esp if you’re comparing to swallows, your work looks sweet az, btw!

    barrows, yah thanks! she’s super cute, just like poppa!! :scratch: 😆

    never summer snowboards
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    dynafit touring
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    #665697
    Taylor
    797 Posts

    Yah, along Karkis’ (super-cutie) lines, like I said…

    Carefully matching the rocker profile to the long taper and long scr in shapes such as these is really, really critical for all pieces to work together nicely.

    …That’s an omission I see in thinking on this thread. It’s not just about long scr, it’s about a total board design to match.

    To be crystal clear, that’s constructive commentary, not criticism.

    @sun_rocket

    #665698
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    Thing is guys this shape would not work in my crc mold due to the short effective edge so I actually made a complete new mold and built this board in the few days between my return from japan and Adams departure. Major time stress lol.
    The mold is flat in the middle so you can pull camber or rocker with heat differential, Adam isnt a fan of rocker so we made it with camber.

    #665699
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Thanks for the increase in clarity karkis, indeed my comment was not directed at Bobg. I have had pretty good access to some pretty good board campanies’ designers over the years, having often been consulted for my opinion on board designs and testing, and I was speaking of my general experiences lately.
    In the old days, say the 80s and 90s, snowboard designers were very innovative, and were willing to try all sorts of things. Then something changed, and the ski companies became the ones who were leading the way in terms of innovative designs, and the snowboard companies just tended to make the same old design with new graphics. The snowboard companies added rocker, sometimes, but they did not, in most cases, fundamentally change the rest of the board to take full advantage of what rocker can do: this is why many rocker boards may not ride well.
    Besides furberg, I see the ski companies as now doing most of the forward thinking design, and taking most of the risks.
    I really like the furberg design, the only limitation is that it is not super good on the groomers, it is not designed for that, it will get you around the resort in search of softer snow without issues though, and it does handle very well on icy steeps (at least as well as any other board does). This is the same as the big freeride skis, they will get one around the resort to find the pow without a problem, one just cannot expect to be ripping up a bunch of short radius carved turns on the way. Of course, a full on race board does not do too well in the soft snow either.
    I would suggest that every splitter seek out a furberg for demo sometime, it is an eye opening experience riding one in any kind of off piste snow.

    #665700
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Home from testing in japan
    Love this board, large Sir Floatalot :headbang:

    Some pics

    The new ride and the old!

    No issue with flotation or leg burn, moved stance back when it got knee deep.
    Had to get used to the wide nose on the toe side on the odd groomer we went on but carved nice!
    Skinned well, but also had a few scrapes on the crampons on the wider nose 😳

    Board speed on the groomers was faster than all the others on the trip, supprised it over took the Rossi xv.

    Will post some video when I get it done.

    All in all happy with the first prototype.

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665701
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    Isospeed 7500 is fast mate.

    #665702
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    @BobGnarly wrote:

    Isospeed 7500 is fast mate.

    G banger wasn’t happy :headbang:

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665634
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    TailWalker prototype No.1

    The concept

    The first board

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #778922
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    anything new going on down under?

    @j.memay

    #778923
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Nothing to report as yet , mostly making Ply style noboards ATM
    Re making press but board making partner has moved full time to jaPOW : (

    Heading to Kootenay in 4 weeks and will be riding the POWder Keg, its summer downunder and Snow boards have to make way for Surfboard production!

    Ill keep you all posted

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #779054
    Taylor
    797 Posts

    Adam what ever happened to the long radius versions of these? They were tested, testers like them in pow but not on hardpack so went back to short radius… Are the long radius collecting dust?

    @sun_rocket

    #780034
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    The large radi boards are in jaPOW and probably getting ridden by Kyle ATM.
    Thats the only palce they will get a go in head deeeeep blower.

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

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