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  • #574548
    stoepstyle
    38 Posts

    Howsit goin? So me and my friend are both interested to build a backcountry ski hut on the east side (similar to the Sierra Club huts, something like 15-30$ flat rate per person per night, nothing fancy). I have been looking nearer to the Bridgeport area for no other reason than that someone on the Mono County planning committee has taken interest in my idea to expand winter economic development in the Bridgeport area, and I have generally been talking to the Humboldt Toyabe National Forest which only goes as south as Highway 120 I believe. I am an enginerd and my friend is a environmental studies major so we have a lot of bases covered with this project ahahha.

    I do not have nearly as much experience in the area as you guys do and I would love some comments on where you think a good location might be. Or if you think I am retarded. Either of these things would be good for me to figure out :mrgreen:

    I will be in the Bridgeport area sometime between March 22nd and 24th to start exploring the area, hopefully with your beta.

    Cheers
    -Kyle

    #637766
    rughty
    620 Posts

    Not sure where a good spot is, but that area is sweet!

    #637767
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    Hey, didn’t you post this same thing on TGR last year? It sounds familiar… Anyway, shoot me a PM and let’s meet up sometime. I’m in Santa Cruz too, and have a spent a fair amount of time on the eastside.

    #637768
    fullers2oh
    525 Posts

    i hope your trip is going well (or “went” well by the time you read this post) it must be dumping out there now – kind of hard to explore in that weather eh?

    it would be soooo sick to have a hut or two on the eastside. since TPR shut down their winter operation we dont have much going in the way of huts. the only place i know of in operation all year that provides “hut” style access is the rock creek lodge.

    so a few suggestions and things to ponder:

    if you already have some contacts in the bridgeport area who are behind your idea then this may be the best area to start exploring further. i would try to talk to the people who run TPR as well as rock creek lodge to get an idea for how things are run on the eastside. as for the location there are no shortage of excellent spots around bridgeport. although i have never ridden the area there is a very high concentration of desirable lines with varied aspects. also the area receives excellent snowfall and has some decent access, despite it being kind of an out of the way place – to the nearest major city.

    for the location i would think it should be somewhere that is far enough back in the mtns to make it worthwhile to stay in the hut vs just a standard day trip. i would also think the terrain should be varied with some good storm tour areas close by for those days when it is dumping. as a boarder it would be nice to have the access be on a slope so you dont have to skin in AND out. also some huts offer a service that will bring the guests and/or their gear out via snowmobile or cat. if you can find an area that will allow this that would be a bonus.

    so a few areas that come to my mind are (in no specific order) – somewhere in the pine creek drainage, up laurel canyon (although both spots the access would pass some major avy paths), the north or south lake areas around bishop (i think there used to be a hut up there somewhere years ago??) or virgina lakes area.

    if you need a caretaker i would volunteer myself for that position :drool:

    #637769
    Rico in AZ
    559 Posts

    @stoepstyle wrote:

    Or if you think I am retarded.

    Not retarded at all. I’ve been thinking for awhile, after reading Mingori’s and Moynier’s books, that there is a serious lack of backcountry accomodations in the eastern Sierras. I’m not really into tenting it in the winter, a hut is a much better option. I’m not super familiar with the area, but around Bridgeport/Sawtooth area would be killer.

    Have you considered how the actual costs of how building the hut will be paid for? And the actual logistics of construction? I mean concrete is f***king heavy and a bitch to move, as is everything else that goes into a building. Especially when we’re talking miles from a road. And who’s actually gonna be pounding nails, pouring concrete, roofing, etc…, all of this possibly without the convenience of electricity. While the forest circus might be open to having a hut on their land, considering the federal budget, I doubt they would help out in these departments. I could be persuaded to help in the construction dep’t.

    Have you thought about using a yurt? Much cheaper in construction costs, however, it’s my understanding, that a yurt requires alot of winter maintenance with shoveling snow.

    I think it’s a great idea. I would be in that hut for sure.

    #637770
    stoepstyle
    38 Posts

    Sorry guys after spring break I jumped right back into the real world and have been crazy busy. This thread completely slipped my mind. The trip was somewhat of a failure, total whiteout allowed us to see nothing but 5 feet in front of us the whole time. We did however rally out to the buckeye hotsprings through a foot of snow, hottubed for 4 hours, got extremely dehydrated and almost passed out. However I looked at beta, and a few Bridgeport locals they suggested this area:
    http://www.thebackcountry.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=4397&sid=ca86274de6dab1465ce37312a9ac3b26

    1. It is acessible easily by a fireroad in the summer (for construction reasons)
    2. Its about 4 miles out from twin lakes (easy parking etc)
    3. Mellow slopes
    4. Pretty rad set of coolies
    5.Opportunities to go further out to even more good terrain.

    I have looked at many other locations, but the only ones that look viable from a construction standpoint are near Mt Emma and Walker Mountain (Absolutely no real TRs only cool looking topo maps and artsy summer pictures) and somewhere in the Lundy/Lakes Canyon. Give me your opinion?

    “Have you considered how the actual costs of how building the hut will be paid for? And the actual logistics of construction?”

    Yes, My plan is to get something like this: http://www.weatherport.com/outdoor-sportsmen/camp-tent The Sierra Mountain center has the exact same structure. They come with framed windows, a framed door and everything. And it is only 4000$ for about 300 sq ft that can withstand approx 170-180 lbs per square foot. Its a bit stronger than a yurt but just as cheap. I thought about planning on constructing a foundation made up of 3-4 big logs. a 2×6 framed floor would be placed on top of the logs, with plywood creating the floor. The weatherport structure would be placed on top. The whole log and floor and structure thing would be staked and chained to the ground. Therefore the structure is much less permanent which will help us greatly with dealing with environmental issues.

    With a semi low startup cost, my friend and I are just stashing away money like crazy. Hopefully we’ll have enough. Before we look to anyone else for help, we want to make sure we do not get shut down by the forest service’s NEPA class exemption thing. If we do not get a class exemption we have to go forward and get environmental reviews, which apparently cost in the thousands of dollars. So that would shut us down pretty quick.

    “if you need a caretaker i would volunteer myself for that position”

    Ill keep you in mind haha.

    #637771
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Perhaps you could contact a hut association, such as 10th Mountain Huts, here in Aspen, Colorado, http://www.huts.org/contact.html, or even better, consider an Summer Internship with 10th Mountain Huts. see http://www.huts.org/education/internship_program.html, and learn from the best.

    I realize your asking about Eastern Sierra. but for a college students interested in huts, I can think of no better place to learn than here in Aspen, CO.

    #637772
    stoepstyle
    38 Posts

    @powder_rider wrote:

    Perhaps you could contact a hut association, such as 10th Mountain Huts, here in Aspen, Colorado, http://www.huts.org/contact.html, or even better, consider an Summer Internship with 10th Mountain Huts. see http://www.huts.org/education/internship_program.html, and learn from the best.

    I realize your asking about Eastern Sierra. but for a college students interested in huts, I can think of no better place to learn than here in Aspen, CO.

    Damn, that internship looked pretty sweet. Unfortunately the application due date is April 1st..

    #637773
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Damn, that internship looked pretty sweet. Unfortunately the application due date is April 1st..

    Apply! No harm in asking, at least to show interest; you are interested in creating a hut system in the Eastern Sierra! Eastern Sierra Hut is a sweet dream!

    PSA: Never Summer Nordic is for sale, see http://www.neversummernordic.com/

    #637774
    ehcarley
    411 Posts

    Something to consider is a variety of terrain, having sweet coolies near by is great, but what about days when the avalanche danger is super high? Is there mellower terrain nearby? What about the approach, are there massive slide paths? This isn’t the end of the world, but it is something to consider.

    I also think you should reach out to the 10th mountain huts system people, just because they’ve been through it all and know what works and what doesn’t.

    #637775
    stoepstyle
    38 Posts

    Email sent to the 10th Mountain Division. Is there any riding in Colorado in the summer to be had? :headbang: May be paying them a visit.

    Also in terms of varying terrain, I definitely am making sure that avy dangers will be considered. From what I gather the locale i posted has pretty varied terrain, and the approach is very protected in the trees.

    #637776
    ehcarley
    411 Posts

    Well, whats your time frame for CO summer riding? We just broke 500 inches for the season here (not much compared to the sierra, I know) so, the “spring” will probably extend into summer pretty well. There is definitely summer riding to be done, not all of it is good though. If you will be here in June, you can still ride lifts at a-basin for the first week. after that, 14ers will have snow. Indy pass usually has lines, probably some other places too, RMNP, the Indian Peaks. Access does get harder though.

    #637777
    stoepstyle
    38 Posts

    For sure. I will talk to the 10th Mtn Division Hut association and see what they have to say.

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