Forums Bindings Spark R&D Dyno DH v Phantom- anyone have side-by-side actual use info?
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  • #781594
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    Post says it all- anyone ridden both of them that can do a little comparing/contrasting? Thanks!

    #781670
    acopafeel
    134 Posts

    Nick, phantoms ALL THE FREEKIN WAY.
    Have you seen the colors they come in? SO STEEZY.
    I just don’t think the dynos have nearly flamboyant enough colors. I mean, how in the hell are you going to notice my hard boots? That is… unless you’re a softboot sucker that I just passed in the uptrack!!

    And the Dynos are made in bozeman… what a kook town. It definitely ain’t no Magic City.

    Any other questions/concerns?

    #784008
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    I just ordered Phantoms last night and my fiance put some good time on the Dynos last spring so I should be able to make some comparisons for you after we get (if we get?) some snow in the PNW.

    My impressions of the Dyno after setting up her board for her and getting the bindings to fit her boots were very positive. She put a bunch of time into volcano tours in the spring too and the bindings didn’t need any maintenance after 8 climbs. She had a handful of shakedown tours before hand and loves the Dyno/TLT5 combo.

    One word of caution, be careful pairing the Spark adapters with the Dynafit Superlite toes, they were made for the Radical toes and don’t fully support the Superlite frame. Hopefully there will be an update that works with both styles.

    #784775
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    My Phantoms showed up last night. I don’t have a scale at home so I can’t make accurate weight comparisons but all of the info should be available online.

    I’ll try to summarize my initial impressions after setting up my Phantoms and having set up my fiance’s Sparks last spring.

    I couldn’t tell a difference in weight in the binding itself holding one in each hand. The Phantom adapter for the toe piece is much more svelt than the Spark version and supports the Superlite toes better. The Phantom lifters are similar in weight (according to the hand scale, not too accurate) to a Voile lifter plus Spark adapter but the Phantom lifter has the extra function of having a strap retainer.

    Setting up the bindings for boot size is a bit more complicated with the Phantoms but I was able to get a good fit. I think my impression of complication comes down to the instructions since the actual work of changing sizes is about the same in terms of the number of fasteners that need to come off, changes to be made, etc. The instructions that come with the Dynos are very good in terms of what holes to use for each boot sole length range. I also like how the Dynos cover a large range of BSL with just one size. The Sparks have the ability to fine tune the fit a bit better and have a much stiffer toe lever which I like. The plastic lever on the Phantom might feel better riding because of the extra flex but the carpet test had me a bit worried when it flexed more than I wanted just locking the boots down in a too-tight setting for the bails.

    Setting up the ride mode pucks for the Phantoms took more time for me initially but I think that’s a practice issue. I’ve set up Voile pucks a lot and have gotten pretty quick with it. There are just more fasteners and more step with the Phantoms. They seemed to be pretty straightforward though.

    Once everything is set up the change from ski to ride mode and back is basically equivalent. I’ve never had problems with the Voile pucks icing in the PNW that delayed me more than a minute and I don’t expect to with the Phantoms either. The fit is similarly tight and takes a reasonable amount of force to twist the Phantoms onto the pucks similar to the amount of force it takes to slide the Dynos onto fresh Voile pucks. The Phantoms do seem more resistant to shear but I’ll hold off on any comments about how this effects riding until it snow.

    In the end, if you already have a complete Voile kit and you’re happy with the performance but want to shed some weight the Dynos are nicely made, well thought out, reasonably priced, and are a good bit of kit. If you’re starting from scratch or don’t mind spending the money to make the jump to a new interface then the Phantoms are the best system I’ve had so far.

    I’ll update later with comments on maintenance on the Phantoms after a few days in the snow. My fiance put in a lot of vert on her Dynos last spring (on the Almost Famous Volcano Tour) and didn’t touch them and nothing has fallen off, broken, or been adjusted since the initial set up! There are also limited parts that could be lost on the Dynos which is very nice.

    #787836
    WhitePine
    503 Posts

    Jason4 – Thanks for your comparison. That was helpful. Now that the season has started, have you noticed anything else in the way of the feel of the ride?

    #787895
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    Sorry about the slow response, I was away from a computer for most of the holidays, now that I’m back at my desk I’m back at my computer too.

    I haven’t ridden the Dynos but I have ridden other Voile puck based systems. The Phantoms are incredible at how well they hold the two halves together. I think the guys at Spark did an amazing job with the simplicity of the Dyno and the ease or lack of maintenance required but it’s still based on the pucks. I personally like a bit of give in the bindings so I’m not put off by the plastic pucks but I still prefer the solid feel of the Phantoms.

    I’m waiting on a new pair of boots that will hopefully solve the remaining issues I have with my system.

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