Forums Bindings Dynafit Speed Superlite vs Speed Radical
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  • #580260
    phareyouwell
    45 Posts

    So, making the plunge to the hard side this season, and think I’ve mostly figured out the gear I will be purchasing (TLT6s, Phantoms), but one thing I am still unsure of is which Dynafit toe pieces to go with.

    If I get the complete package from Phantom it comes with Superlites, or Spark is selling the Radicals. I saw some posts about durability issues with the Superlites. Should I be concerned about that (I am 190lbs + gear)? How about any other advantages/disadvantages I should consider (besides the obvious weight saving with the Superlites). Also, any comparison between Spak’s adapter plates vs Phantom’s? Figure I will be using one or the other since I’ll want to leave myself the option of switching back to my soft boot setup.

    Finally, any thoughts on ski crampons? Thinking I’d go with the Spark D Rex’s (seem to be basically the same as my old Mr Chomps with a slightly different attachment mechanism), but if someone has a convincing case why I should consider a different option I am all ears.

    Thanks! :rock:

    #678121
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    re: crampons.
    B&D 135mm crampons 340 grams
    http://www.bndskigear.com/dynafitcrampons.html

    Dynafit 130mm crampons 250 grams
    http://www.snowinn.com/ski-store/dynafit-crampons-130mm/37786/p

    Spark 148mm? crampons 318 grams
    https://www.sparkrandd.com/gear/hardboot-equipment/d-rex/

    I had to buy the B&D brand crampons because they were the only ones wide enough for the Furberg split (135mm) and Sparks were not available. Largest Dynafit crampons are 130mm.
    The B&D crampons are OK, but they are heavy, and the design is kinda weak (they work well though). I would probably buy the Dynafit if you are under 130mm per ski or Sparks if you are over.

    As far as the toe pieces, are the durability issues from skiers or splitters?

    #678122
    phareyouwell
    45 Posts

    Thanks for the info. Right now, I am right at 130 with my Venture 26cm width, but probably will be getting something wider in the near future, so sounds like the Sparks are the way to go.

    @HikeforTurns wrote:

    As far as the toe pieces, are the durability issues from skiers or splitters?

    From splitters. Mostly going off what I saw here.
    http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=126676#p126676

    #678123
    Taylor
    796 Posts

    I too am making the switch to Phantom and am wondering about this question and options beyond Superlites and Speed Radicals. I recall seeing a more elegant, independently fabricated toe piece somewhere on the forums but now can’t locate it.

    @sun_rocket

    #678124
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    ^chrisNZ/Ranger Bindings touring interface is based on the Dynafit standard. 48grams for the direct (ski screw) mounted toe piece, add 30grams if you want a carbon fiber adapter to use existing Voile holes. The direction I think I’m going.

    http://rangerbindings.com/product/bossu-tech-2-0-binding-no-adapter-plate/

    Or if you’re feeling really rich there’s the Pierre Gignoux stuff, 75grams for a complete tech binding.

    http://www.pierregignoux.fr/English/PackUltimate.php

    That was Pontus

    #678125
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    There are several spin-offs of dynafit designs, or are you referring to a totally different design? I remember one that was just a screw in pin and a bracket.

    Plum is the other one I’m thinking of where you can buy just the toe piece.

    http://www.fixation-plum.com/en/products-page/guide/avants-guideguide-s/

    #678126
    Taylor
    796 Posts

    @maniacdave wrote:

    ^chrisNZ/Ranger Bindings touring interface is based on the Dynafit standard. 48grams for the direct (ski screw) mounted toe piece, add 30grams if you want a carbon fiber adapter to use existing Voile holes. The direction I think I’m going.

    http://rangerbindings.com/product/bossu-tech-2-0-binding-no-adapter-plate/

    Thanks guys, and yes, the Ranger is elegant design I was thinking of.

    EDIT: And I didn’t mean to hijack the thread. I too remain interested in hearing about the durability of all various toe pieces.

    @sun_rocket

    #678127
    phareyouwell
    45 Posts

    @Taylor wrote:

    EDIT: And I didn’t mean to hijack the thread. I too remain interested in hearing about the durability of all various toe pieces.

    No worries. Those Rangers seem pretty interesting too. If anyone has experience using these (especially over a season or more) please chime in.

    I guess I’m more apt to consider the Dynafit options, since they are a bit more tried and true, but am also open to other ideas.

    #678128
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    @phareyouwell wrote:

    Also, any comparison between Spak’s adapter plates vs Phantom’s? Figure I will be using one or the other since I’ll want to leave myself the option of switching back to my soft boot setup.

    You may want to consider Quiver Killer inserts (4 per ski to match the Dynafit toepiece screw holes) as well, if you can find a shop that does those you will save yourself some weight over using an adapter plate. I’ve had 2 boards done this way.

    More info here:

    viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16855

    Also, I didn’t see anyone mention when discussing alternatives to Dynafit toepieces (Ranger and other) that only a lever-style release (Dynafit, Plum) will allow you to remain standing upright when taking them on and off. Maybe not a dealbreaker for you but I’ve certainly had days with many creek crossings where it’s really nice not to have to bend down every time you take your skis on or off. Something to consider…

    www.splitlife.net

    #678129
    vapor
    350 Posts

    Hold off on the Ranger bindings. Ordered two months ago, took my money and never recieved anything, Multiple emails and no answer back.
    Not the best customer service in my book.

    #678130
    Taylor
    796 Posts

    @vapor wrote:

    Hold off on the Ranger bindings. Ordered two months ago, took my money and never recieved anything, Multiple emails and no answer back.
    Not the best customer service in my book.

    Thanks.

    @sun_rocket

    #678131
    phareyouwell
    45 Posts

    @vapor wrote:

    Hold off on the Ranger bindings. Ordered two months ago, took my money and never recieved anything, Multiple emails and no answer back.
    Not the best customer service in my book.

    Damn, that’s too bad.

    So back to the original question: anyone ever break their speed radicals? Or just the superlites that have had issues?

    Easiest would be to get the superlites with the phantoms in one shipment, but those other posts have scared me off from that a bit,

    #678132
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    @vapor wrote:

    Hold off on the Ranger bindings. Ordered two months ago, took my money and never recieved anything, Multiple emails and no answer back.
    Not the best customer service in my book.

    Doesn’t explain the lack of email but this just popped on Instagram and I had quick responses to questions via Facebook.

    That was Pontus

    #678133
    Zude
    367 Posts

    No crampon option for rangers as far as i can tell, other wise these seem like a good option.

    #678134
    vapor
    350 Posts

    Hopefully he’s back up and running

    #779660
    cometogether
    385 Posts

    ANY NEW word with the ranger stuff? looking at this toe piece. I likey!

    #779868
    Hendu
    21 Posts

    For completeness there is also the Maruelli dynafit toe piece. I haven’t tried it just remember seeing a post in another topic
    http://www.maruelli.com/m2splitboard/m2splitboard.htm

    #779872
    Mansi
    43 Posts

    What about trying G3 Ion? They work perfect with TLT6, have good crampons, better self cleaning than Dynafit, are wider and higher than Dynafits, whats better for broad skis/boards especially when traversing and the Z-value is very low which lowers risks in avalanches when ascending. Ive tested and really like them. Greets Thomas

    www.splitboardtouren.at

    #781951
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    I suspect that the issues with the Superlites are from mounting them on adapters without complete support. The Superlite toe piece is just a bit narrower than the Radical toe piece. If I remember correctly Barrows mentioned that he’s not aware of any Superlites failing when mounted on quiver killers.

    #785670
    JMAutio
    59 Posts

    Has there been broken Superlite toepieces with the Phantom adapter? Or is this is Spark adapter issue?

    The problem I have with Superlites+TLT6+dynafit crampons is that you can´t slip the crampons on without detaching the boot. I asked about it from Dynafit HQ (Europe) and got quite an arrogant response “it´s very difficult to make it work, trust me, we have tried”. To my engineer eyes it looks like the removable crampon holder could just be made longer, thus giving more room for crampon rotation. This would ofcourse need to be shaped to take support from the board, if adapters are used for toepieces, or adapters should be made slightly longer.

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