Down Jackets

I’m still amazed when I think back to the morning of my first split trip. There I was three layers, plus a huge puffy down jacket on, shivering in the Alta parking lot. Later, only minutes into my first tour I’d already stripped down to a long sleeve base layer and remained that way for the rest of the days skinning.

As it turns out, with the exception of it puking snow, or rain I almost always start of with a base layer, and a super lite vented biking/running type jacket (yes its cold but it doesn’t last if you get yer but on the trail). The puffy and shell stay in the pack. Shell for the transition and ride, and puffy for insurance.

YMMV

Down is almost always a little too warm for me to skin in.

However- needs to be in the pack for an overnight, or anywhere with a standstill (on belay, cooking, etc.)

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NEW, with tags. welded seams (no needle holes), goose down, hidden face mask, removable ‘monkey paws’, waist gaiter, all out, top of the line snowboard specific down. (Burton Continuum, Hazel Green, Size L)

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I always pack a synthetic fill jacket in my pack (Patagonia Fire, no longer made, DAS Parka is a nice choice). I rarely need the jacket, but it is nice insurance and good to put on if I stop for a break. I require my partners to bring similar jackets as well. Imagine an injury in the backcountry that would require an evac, it can happen to anyone. It is really easy to get hypothermia in winter when one is immobilized waiting on a heli or snowmobile rescue. It is important that people have enough gear to keep from dying in a worst case scenario.
A spine injury can require that the victim remain immobile and wait for rescue, even just a couple of miles from a road a rescue can take awhile to get there.

I’ve got a Mammut Ambler that I carry most of the time. I’ve also got a Patagucci Down Sweater that I carry if it’s not verry cold and I want to go really light. Like everyone else has said, unless you have really bad circulation you will be way too hot skinning in a puffy. If I have anything over my normal baselayer gear it’s nothing more than a shell and even then I’ve got it unzipped and all of the vents open.

BTW, one advantage of a synthetic jacket is that it can be worn on top of a shell, even when wet. A non-waterproof down jacket would require off the shell and putting it back on over the down. Waterproof down jackets ones tend to be really heavy/bulky.

Down is nice for winter camping (warmer/lighter), but as a safety measure i think synthetics make a lot more sense.

@SanFrantastico wrote:

Yeah – layers are the way to go and a lot of people (myself included) consider a down layer (or synthetic equivalent) an essientially piece of safety gear.

Last season I got this wonderful, awesome Montbell ultralight puffy:

http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/MontBell-Ultralight-Down-Inner-Jacket-Mens/MTB0001M.html

It wieghs 7.3 ounces and packs down to the size of a softball. Great on it’s own, but fits under the outer shell layer for extra warmth.
@carlo wrote:

check out montbell. lightweight, high quality down and relatively inexpensive compared to other jackets with the same tech specs.
@aksltxlt wrote:

I can also recomend the montbell products I am very happy with my puffy pants and jacket

Agreed, the montbell Ex Light Down is super light and super warm. I carry it on most tours, but never tour up with it as I run hot. I was considering the Patagonia Primo Down the first year it came out, but the price went from $250 to $600 after the first year. :scratch: Cool idea of a waterproof down jacket, but the pricepoint has gotten way out of control 🙄

I think its the sizes of the jackets, it would appear that most members on here prefer, shall I say, a little bit more “room” in their flying jackets :whistle: …me included :doobie:

I love my NF synthetic. packs down to 3×4 inches, i never know its there till I top out and it really puts the warm on quickly. Down is no good when wet, so gotta rock the synthetics in the NW. Plus, syn fill is cheaper than down, got mine for $75.

@96avs01 wrote:

I have a Western Mountaineering Vapor that no longer fits following back surgery, black XL. If you are looking for a good deal on a stellar jacket shoot me a PM. Sucks to buy the same jacket twice, but gotta get one the fits. Cheers

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