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  • #572130
    IrishGav
    254 Posts

    Hey i’d like to get some feedback regarding down jackets and touring in the backcountry.
    I’ve seen it mentioned in another post about sleeping bags and wearing your down jacket to keep warm etc.

    Do you guys wear down jackets out on split trips in backcountry? i have nice new Burton AK down gore tex jkt but i fear it wont be any good for touring and layering will be the way to go,i live in Whistler and will be mainly around here,Duffey and Callaghan.

    Thanks in advance,Gav

    #620444
    HikeforTurns
    1114 Posts

    for trips other than quick laps at the local pass I usually take either a down (north face nuptse) or synthetic (Mammut Stratus hoody) jacket along. Its nice if you plan on hanging out anywhere for more than a couple minutes. Or if shit hits the fan and you had to spend the night the down would be a necessity. Since your down is waterproof it should be good for the whistler area. As far as touring with it, Ive only worn mine a couple times as its just too damned hot for any kind of exercise.

    #620445
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    I’m still amazed when I think back to the morning of my first split trip. There I was three layers, plus a huge puffy down jacket on, shivering in the Alta parking lot. Later, only minutes into my first tour I’d already stripped down to a long sleeve base layer and remained that way for the rest of the days skinning.

    As it turns out, with the exception of it puking snow, or rain I almost always start of with a base layer, and a super lite vented biking/running type jacket (yes its cold but it doesn’t last if you get yer but on the trail). The puffy and shell stay in the pack. Shell for the transition and ride, and puffy for insurance.

    YMMV

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    #620446
    IrishGav
    254 Posts

    Hey thanks for the input guys 😀

    #620447
    earthsurfing
    144 Posts

    Down is almost always a little too warm for me to skin in.

    However- needs to be in the pack for an overnight, or anywhere with a standstill (on belay, cooking, etc.)

    In case any one might be interested- I got this one last year, and never used it:

    NEW, with tags. welded seams (no needle holes), goose down, hidden face mask, removable ‘monkey paws’, waist gaiter, all out, top of the line snowboard specific down. (Burton Continuum, Hazel Green, Size L)

    Retails $360. All reasonable offers welcome. 100% of all proceeds will support split tours! :thumpsup:

    #620448
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    My puffy is one of my most valued pieces of gear. I almost always have it in my pack. It’s great for transitions or safety meetings at the top of a windy peak after you are covered in sweat, and good to have if something goes wring and you are out longer than expected. I’m going to experiment this season with lightening my pack by carrying just the puffy, and hiking in a base layer with my super thin Mountain Hardware windproof shirt (another item I really like).

    #620449
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I always pack a synthetic fill jacket in my pack (Patagonia Fire, no longer made, DAS Parka is a nice choice). I rarely need the jacket, but it is nice insurance and good to put on if I stop for a break. I require my partners to bring similar jackets as well. Imagine an injury in the backcountry that would require an evac, it can happen to anyone. It is really easy to get hypothermia in winter when one is immobilized waiting on a heli or snowmobile rescue. It is important that people have enough gear to keep from dying in a worst case scenario.
    A spine injury can require that the victim remain immobile and wait for rescue, even just a couple of miles from a road a rescue can take awhile to get there.

    #620450
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Yeah – layers are the way to go and a lot of people (myself included) consider a down layer (or synthetic equivalent) an essientially piece of safety gear.

    Last season I got this wonderful, awesome Montbell ultralight puffy:

    http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/MontBell-Ultralight-Down-Inner-Jacket-Mens/MTB0001M.html

    It wieghs 7.3 ounces and packs down to the size of a softball. Great on it’s own, but fits under the outer shell layer for extra warmth.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #620451
    bones get broke
    298 Posts

    I’ve got a Mammut Ambler that I carry most of the time. I’ve also got a Patagucci Down Sweater that I carry if it’s not verry cold and I want to go really light. Like everyone else has said, unless you have really bad circulation you will be way too hot skinning in a puffy. If I have anything over my normal baselayer gear it’s nothing more than a shell and even then I’ve got it unzipped and all of the vents open.

    #620452
    carlo
    11 Posts

    check out montbell. lightweight, high quality down and relatively inexpensive compared to other jackets with the same tech specs.

    #620453
    nothingmuch
    358 Posts

    BTW, one advantage of a synthetic jacket is that it can be worn on top of a shell, even when wet. A non-waterproof down jacket would require off the shell and putting it back on over the down. Waterproof down jackets ones tend to be really heavy/bulky.

    Down is nice for winter camping (warmer/lighter), but as a safety measure i think synthetics make a lot more sense.

    #620454
    aksltxlt
    621 Posts

    I can also recomend the montbell products I am very happy with my puffy pants and jacket

    #620455
    jdoneill
    73 Posts

    @SanFrantastico wrote:

    Yeah – layers are the way to go and a lot of people (myself included) consider a down layer (or synthetic equivalent) an essientially piece of safety gear.

    Last season I got this wonderful, awesome Montbell ultralight puffy:

    http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/MontBell-Ultralight-Down-Inner-Jacket-Mens/MTB0001M.html

    It wieghs 7.3 ounces and packs down to the size of a softball. Great on it’s own, but fits under the outer shell layer for extra warmth.
    @carlo wrote:

    check out montbell. lightweight, high quality down and relatively inexpensive compared to other jackets with the same tech specs.
    @aksltxlt wrote:

    I can also recomend the montbell products I am very happy with my puffy pants and jacket

    Agreed, the montbell Ex Light Down is super light and super warm. I carry it on most tours, but never tour up with it as I run hot. I was considering the Patagonia Primo Down the first year it came out, but the price went from $250 to $600 after the first year. :scratch: Cool idea of a waterproof down jacket, but the pricepoint has gotten way out of control 🙄

    #620456
    russman
    692 Posts

    I use to wear a Mountain Hardware Sub-Zero SL Parka, and it was AWESOME, but the only time it was appropriate was when I was sitting on the summit of Mount Rainier in a puking windstorm.. Other than that, it was WAY too much, and WAY too heavy!

    So far, this thing has been AMAZING:

    http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=70&p_id=2301315

    #620457
    younig
    1 Posts

    I think its the sizes of the jackets, it would appear that most members on here prefer, shall I say, a little bit more “room” in their flying jackets :whistle: …me included :doobie:

    #620458
    classicauto
    152 Posts

    I’m using a MEC uplink. Synthetic insul (prima loft) but its actually a pretty good balance of warmth/weight/packability. Plus its cheap. Got mine on clearance (only a couple sizes of blue left) for $70.

    Regular price is about $115? I think. Perfect sweater style layer for under the shell on the way down. Packs into its own pockeet to roughly nalgene bottle size too.

    Plus, synthetic is sooo much easier to care for in the long run. I always hated washing down gear. Gave me the willies putting 200 to 300 dollar piece of gear in the laundromat front loader! :shit:

    #620459
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    I love my NF synthetic. packs down to 3×4 inches, i never know its there till I top out and it really puts the warm on quickly. Down is no good when wet, so gotta rock the synthetics in the NW. Plus, syn fill is cheaper than down, got mine for $75.

    www.splitlife.net

    #620460
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    I have a Western Mountaineering Vapor that no longer fits following back surgery, black XL. If you are looking for a good deal on a stellar jacket shoot me a PM. Sucks to buy the same jacket twice, but gotta get one the fits. Cheers

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #620461
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    @96avs01 wrote:

    I have a Western Mountaineering Vapor that no longer fits following back surgery, black XL. If you are looking for a good deal on a stellar jacket shoot me a PM. Sucks to buy the same jacket twice, but gotta get one the fits. Cheers

    PM sent…

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