Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Chinese hooks vs. Ying Yang hooks Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 17 total) Author Posts December 23, 2005 at 5:36 pm #567254 bcrider 4149 Posts Just looking for a little beta from folks that have used one version or both. The Chinese hooks are the Voile version and the Ying Yang are on the pre 06 Burtons. I think there are pluses and minuses to both and just wonder what the rest of you all think. Thanks in advance. December 23, 2005 at 8:52 pm #584859 bcrider 4149 Posts Bump because I added pics. 🙂 December 23, 2005 at 9:27 pm #584860 powderjunkie 1669 Posts Whatever has less weight. 8) I liked the yinyang design. It is a little harder to assemble, but is more low profile. Never had a problem with them hitting the other ski when touring. January 6, 2006 at 8:43 pm #584861 mergs 100 Posts now that i’ve ridden both i think voile’s chinese are a little better design than the burton ying yang. i base this *only* on the fact you can spin the chinese hooks out of the way in skin mode, whereas the ying yang you cannot. its a very minor problem that you’d probably only encounter in skin mode while climbing in a stretch of woods (such is common here on the east) where you’d hang up on deadfall or a tree. in a bowl this is likely an irrelevant point… again this is really a minor point. otherwise they both seem to keep the board together equally in ride mode. January 6, 2006 at 9:56 pm #584862 jack 323 Posts i have used both and have had clogging problems with both, so honestly i cant really say one is beter than the other. here are my nit-picky concerns that really dont matter: if you turn the voile things in, it takes a little longer to transition and every second counts when trying to keep up with the tele guys. the burton hooks are a little harder to deal with in high wind, although in really high wind putting any interface together is really going to suck. even voile factory splits have bolt heads sticking out on the base for the chinese hooks (maybe newer ones dont) which kind of sucks, burton just uses inserts. once again, i doubt this makes any difference at all in ride mode. January 6, 2006 at 10:27 pm #584863 burton 329 Posts this is a qwestion of religions…. burton has no rotation – and no play in the Z axle this is a big point….for burton voile has no stand over – in the walk modus . its a point for voile burton January 8, 2006 at 8:48 pm #584864 Bruce 14 Posts no problem at all with the Burton – look at the engineering and points of contact – 2 is better than one! 😀 January 9, 2006 at 4:15 pm #584865 SanFrantastico 1514 Posts Do the Burton hooks flex at all? It seems like the right angle crease on the Voile hooks would make them stiffer than the Burtons. Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968. January 9, 2006 at 5:13 pm #584866 mergs 100 Posts @sanfrantastico wrote: Do the Burton hooks flex at all? It seems like the right angle crease on the Voile hooks would make them stiffer than the Burtons. Good point, I would think that the Voile’s would be stiffer by design. January 13, 2006 at 4:37 am #584867 bcd 232 Posts The fact that the Yin Yang hooks don’t swivel out of the way always seemed to be one of the negative characteristics of the old Burton system. Say you’re out fishing from your boat. You throw down the anchor and fish for a little while. The fish don’t seem to be biting in this spot, so you decide to drive to another spot on the other side of the lake. Do you: A. Take two seconds to pull up the anchor B. Just leave the anchor down and give it extra gas Having those things drag in the snow probably isn’t such a big deal some of the time, but there is no reason to have them slowing you down. That is really going to add up towards the end of a long day. And I think it would make a huge difference in heavy snow, or following an old refrozen skin track. Especially a skin track that was broken by skiers, and is already a bit too narrow for split skis. January 13, 2006 at 5:14 am #584868 cowboy 35 Posts Well you guys know I’m biased but I try to give a practical opinion. Both hooks perform the exact same function and are equally as strong (both provide more strength then is needed). Burtons are stainless steel and slightly larger: minimal extra weight. Voile’s do turn out of the way but I say who gives a crap. Wally (owner of Voile) wanted them to turn, I was happy with a fixed hook. The newest generation Voile’s self clean when you pivot them. The only real advantage Voile has is that you can line up the board with the hooks about 3 or 4 inches apart and give it a good slam when you slide them together to eject any snow that may have gathered around them on the way up. The other disadvantage to the Burton’s is that they are discontinued and no longer available. 😀 January 13, 2006 at 5:40 am #584869 jack 323 Posts @bcd wrote: …there is no reason to have them slowing you down. That is really going to add up towards the end of a long day. And I think it would make a huge difference in heavy snow, or following an old refrozen skin track. i dont mean to flame you, but that is pretty much all i skin in (heavy snow and frozen skin tracks) and the burton system really doest drag at all. they only stick out about 1/8″ in a place where the ski tip has allready moved snow out of the way. i doubt they make skinning take any more energy overall. also, i think to hit a tree with one of those, your shoulder would pretty much have to be inside the tree 😉 January 13, 2006 at 5:16 pm #584870 mergs 100 Posts @cowboy wrote: Well you guys know I’m biased but I try to give a … The other disadvantage to the Burton’s is that they are discontinued and no longer available. 😀 LOL, yeah! And when you get down to brass tacks, that might be the only point that matters! also, I like your point about with the Voile system whereas you can slam the boards together to clear snow. January 13, 2006 at 6:32 pm #584871 bcrider 4149 Posts Thanks for the discussion guys. 🙂 It’s true the Burton design is discontinued but I don’t believe it’s protected by a patent so a new splitboard mfg (or existing 😉 ) could potentially use a similar design on their boards if desired. They might have to get Voile’s approval however. My thoughts on the matter. I like the way the Voile Hooks slide out of the way and are self cleaning. However, I don’t like taking a few seconds to do it on every conversion. Its just one more thing to slow you down. The other thing I’ve noticed about the Voile Hooks is that after a season or two of use the core near the bolts seems to take some abuse which results in Ã¢â‚¬Å“playÃ¢â‚¬Â January 13, 2006 at 7:17 pm #584872 cowboy 35 Posts Good points bcrider. I don’t like turning my hooks out of the way either. Also, the aluminum hooks are prone to wear after time. I replace mine about every 150 days. January 15, 2006 at 12:32 am #584873 gramps 3 Posts chinese or ying yang. weeds and grass catch in the burton hooks. ice build up in the burton hooks prevents a smooth transition. you try to slide your board together but that 1/8″ of ice prevents the burton interface from working. stop clean , try again. also you cant slap the boards against each other with any force . I’ve used both voile wins. see you high in the mountains 🙂 January 15, 2006 at 12:33 am #584874 gramps 3 Posts chinese or ying yang. weeds and grass catch in the burton hooks. ice build up in the burton hooks prevents a smooth transition. you try to slide your board together but that 1/8″ of ice prevents the burton interface from working. stop clean , try again. also you cant slap the boards against each other with any force . I’ve used both voile wins. see you high in the mountains 🙂 Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 17 total) You must be logged in to reply to this topic.