Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Chinese hooks vs. Ying Yang hooks
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  • #567254
    bcrider
    4149 Posts

    Just looking for a little beta from folks that have used one version or both. The Chinese hooks are the Voile version and the Ying Yang are on the pre 06 Burtons.

    I think there are pluses and minuses to both and just wonder what the rest of you all think.

    Thanks in advance.

    #584859
    bcrider
    4149 Posts

    Bump because I added pics. 🙂

    #584860
    powderjunkie
    1669 Posts

    Whatever has less weight. 8)
    I liked the yinyang design. It is a little harder to assemble, but is more low profile.
    Never had a problem with them hitting the other ski when touring.

    #584861
    mergs
    100 Posts

    now that i’ve ridden both i think voile’s chinese are a little better design than the burton ying yang. i base this *only* on the fact you can spin the chinese hooks out of the way in skin mode, whereas the ying yang you cannot. its a very minor problem that you’d probably only encounter in skin mode while climbing in a stretch of woods (such is common here on the east) where you’d hang up on deadfall or a tree. in a bowl this is likely an irrelevant point… again this is really a minor point.

    otherwise they both seem to keep the board together equally in ride mode.

    #584862
    jack
    323 Posts

    i have used both and have had clogging problems with both, so honestly i cant really say one is beter than the other.

    here are my nit-picky concerns that really dont matter:
    if you turn the voile things in, it takes a little longer to transition and every second counts when trying to keep up with the tele guys.

    the burton hooks are a little harder to deal with in high wind, although in really high wind putting any interface together is really going to suck.

    even voile factory splits have bolt heads sticking out on the base for the chinese hooks (maybe newer ones dont) which kind of sucks, burton just uses inserts. once again, i doubt this makes any difference at all in ride mode.

    #584863
    burton
    329 Posts

    this is a qwestion of religions….

    burton has no rotation – and no play in the Z axle
    this is a big point….for burton

    voile has no stand over – in the walk modus .

    its a point for voile

    burton

    #584864
    Bruce
    14 Posts

    no problem at all with the Burton – look at the engineering and points of contact – 2 is better than one! 😀

    #584865
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Do the Burton hooks flex at all? It seems like the right angle crease on the Voile hooks would make them stiffer than the Burtons.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #584866
    mergs
    100 Posts

    @sanfrantastico wrote:

    Do the Burton hooks flex at all? It seems like the right angle crease on the Voile hooks would make them stiffer than the Burtons.

    Good point, I would think that the Voile’s would be stiffer by design.

    #584867
    bcd
    232 Posts

    The fact that the Yin Yang hooks don’t swivel out of the way always seemed to be one of the negative characteristics of the old Burton system.

    Say you’re out fishing from your boat. You throw down the anchor and fish for a little while. The fish don’t seem to be biting in this spot, so you decide to drive to another spot on the other side of the lake. Do you:
    A. Take two seconds to pull up the anchor
    B. Just leave the anchor down and give it extra gas

    Having those things drag in the snow probably isn’t such a big deal some of the time, but there is no reason to have them slowing you down. That is really going to add up towards the end of a long day. And I think it would make a huge difference in heavy snow, or following an old refrozen skin track. Especially a skin track that was broken by skiers, and is already a bit too narrow for split skis.

    #584868
    cowboy
    35 Posts

    Well you guys know I’m biased but I try to give a practical opinion. Both hooks perform the exact same function and are equally as strong (both provide more strength then is needed).

    Burtons are stainless steel and slightly larger: minimal extra weight.

    Voile’s do turn out of the way but I say who gives a crap. Wally (owner of Voile) wanted them to turn, I was happy with a fixed hook. The newest generation Voile’s self clean when you pivot them.

    The only real advantage Voile has is that you can line up the board with the hooks about 3 or 4 inches apart and give it a good slam when you slide them together to eject any snow that may have gathered around them on the way up.

    The other disadvantage to the Burton’s is that they are discontinued and no longer available. 😀

    #584869
    jack
    323 Posts

    @bcd wrote:

    …there is no reason to have them slowing you down. That is really going to add up towards the end of a long day. And I think it would make a huge difference in heavy snow, or following an old refrozen skin track.

    i dont mean to flame you, but that is pretty much all i skin in (heavy snow and frozen skin tracks) and the burton system really doest drag at all. they only stick out about 1/8″ in a place where the ski tip has allready moved snow out of the way. i doubt they make skinning take any more energy overall. also, i think to hit a tree with one of those, your shoulder would pretty much have to be inside the tree 😉

    #584870
    mergs
    100 Posts

    @cowboy wrote:

    Well you guys know I’m biased but I try to give a

    The other disadvantage to the Burton’s is that they are discontinued and no longer available. 😀

    LOL, yeah! And when you get down to brass tacks, that might be the only point that matters!

    also, I like your point about with the Voile system whereas you can slam the boards together to clear snow.

    #584871
    bcrider
    4149 Posts

    Thanks for the discussion guys. 🙂

    It’s true the Burton design is discontinued but I don’t believe it’s protected by a patent so a new splitboard mfg (or existing 😉 ) could potentially use a similar design on their boards if desired. They might have to get Voile’s approval however.

    My thoughts on the matter.

    I like the way the Voile Hooks slide out of the way and are self cleaning. However, I don’t like taking a few seconds to do it on every conversion. Its just one more thing to slow you down. The other thing I’ve noticed about the Voile Hooks is that after a season or two of use the core near the bolts seems to take some abuse which results in “playâ€Â

    #584872
    cowboy
    35 Posts

    Good points bcrider. I don’t like turning my hooks out of the way either. Also, the aluminum hooks are prone to wear after time. I replace mine about every 150 days.

    #584873
    gramps
    3 Posts

    chinese or ying yang. weeds and grass catch in the burton hooks. ice build up in the burton hooks prevents a smooth transition. you try to slide your board together but that 1/8″ of ice prevents the burton interface from working. stop clean , try again. also you cant slap the boards against each other with any force . I’ve used both voile wins. see you high in the mountains 🙂

    #584874
    gramps
    3 Posts

    chinese or ying yang. weeds and grass catch in the burton hooks. ice build up in the burton hooks prevents a smooth transition. you try to slide your board together but that 1/8″ of ice prevents the burton interface from working. stop clean , try again. also you cant slap the boards against each other with any force . I’ve used both voile wins. see you high in the mountains 🙂

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