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  • #580437
    dishwasher-dave
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    @sconartist wrote:

    Well if you put in more than 10 days on the burton the double pin system (in split mode) starts to wear, and the result is tons of lateral movement. Movement that makes me cringe when i’m out in the BC, because the binding has popped out, and if it breaks…….

    Anyone have a DIY fix for this? Obviously the voile system is the future, for now at least, but there are three burton splits in my house that I am not ready to drill for the voile interface, yet.

    All the other issues with burtons, though a pain, I have found fixes for, but I haven’t figured out how to tighten up the interface slop once it sets in.

    #580438
    jlag
    Participant

    I’m right there with ya, everything runs fine on my Burton. Couldn’t be happier except the increasing amount of slop in the pins on skinning mode. I also get a bit worried about a major malfunction 5 miles in the Backcountry in a white-out. Longer pins? Let’s brainstorm.

    #580439
    powderjunkie
    Participant

    If you can pop out the litle pins and the pins have a “built in” washer/stopper type thing on it, you can add a small washer behind it and re-insert the pin. I did that and it seemed to help and the pin stayed in place.

    #580440
    mtnrider
    Participant

    @onda wrote:

    Bottom line: I don’t really feel that any split board is good for more than up and downs in one day, unless your overnight is either flat or up to get to a base camp. I feel that the companies should perfect the approach ski, or the collapsing skinner (put Zig-Zag approach ski in Google) would be better options safety wise and a lot of up down.

    I don’t think I’m quite following you here…this seems like backward thinking to me. You’d prefer to CARRY more stuff? ๐Ÿ˜†

    As far as that Zig Zag thing…c’mon dude? There is a reason that click in bindings that hold on the side were the worst of all!

    #580441
    dishwasher-dave
    Participant

    yo jgag & pwdrjunkie,

    Thanks for the response i was half thinking nobody else experience this.

    I used a littly epoxy to fix the pins from moving. I pushed them out just a tad to make them longer and epoxied them in place and that works fine, but the slop now seems to come from the interface itself. That is what is baffling me.

    Did you notice the slop being only associated with the pins loosening and moving or also with the interface iteslf?

    #580442
    onda
    Participant

    @mtnrider wrote:

    @onda wrote:

    Bottom line: I don’t really feel that any split board is good for more than up and downs in one day, unless your overnight is either flat or up to get to a base camp. I feel that the companies should perfect the approach ski, or the collapsing skinner (put Zig-Zag approach ski in Google) would be better options safety wise and a lot of up down.

    I don’t think I’m quite following you here…this seems like backward thinking to me. You’d prefer to CARRY more stuff? ๐Ÿ˜†

    As far as that Zig Zag thing…c’mon dude? There is a reason that click in bindings that hold on the side were the worst of all!

    Hey, we’re in the early days of backcountry snowboarding, so maybe i do say carry more items. On multi-day trips you can get every type of snow condition, so I want 1) a bomber interface so nothing breaks out there and 2) the best board possible to take every situation. Transition time and weight come next.

    Neither Voile (board flimsy) and Burton (bad interface) does 1) and 2) equally, so here we are. Yes, one of them improves their deficiency, and we have a winner.

    But all the failure points, multitasking and hardware (read weight) to make two boards act like one and then to also do the vastly double duty of a tele binding and snowboard binding might transfer into a 1) lighter all-mountain board that goes/does everywhere/everything 2) light, floaty, constant skinned, bomber, packable ski.

    Granted, i use clicker so the weight and transition for the above system would be further minimized.

    #580443
    bcrider
    Participant

    @onda wrote:

    Neither Voile (board flimsy) and Burton (bad interface) does 1) and 2) equally, so here we are. Yes, one of them improves their deficiency, and we have a winner.

    Hi onda,
    I have great news for you! Both companies have improved their deficiencies. 8)

    Voile answered the call for a stiffer board by introducing the new Mtn Gun. You can learn more about the board on the upper right hand corner of this page and also through their website.

    Burton retired their interface design this year and the boards are now compatible with the time-tested, consumer-trusted Voile interface as well. 8)

    Ps.
    Even if you insist on doing it the hard wayรƒยขรขโ€šยฌร‚ยฆwe’ll still ride with ya. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #580444
    mtnrider
    Participant

    @onda wrote:

    Hey, we’re in the early days of backcountry snowboarding, so maybe i do say carry more items. On multi-day trips you can get every type of snow condition, so I want 1) a bomber interface so nothing breaks out there and 2) the best board possible to take every situation. Transition time and weight come next.

    Neither Voile (board flimsy) and Burton (bad interface) does 1) and 2) equally, so here we are. Yes, one of them improves their deficiency, and we have a winner.

    Granted, i use clicker so the weight and transition for the above system would be further minimized.

    I think you need to do a little more research. As BCR pointed out, there are new boards out on the market now.

    2) I’ve logged at least a hundred miles skinning on my Prior w/ the Voile interface and I’ve never had a failure or lost a part. (Check out the trip report section)
    3) Most of them were w/ BCR on his Burton interface…I never saw him have a failure or break anything in the field. (it does have it’s faults but w/ proper maintenance which most are to lazy to do you won’t have an issue until your pins wear)
    4) I rode clicker bindings almost all of last season…highback on the binding is the only way to go though.

    #580445
    onda
    Participant

    @mtnrider wrote:

    I think you need to do a little more research.

    So true, but you and BCRider just did it for me!

    My biggest concern was the hardware breaking, and if you logged all those hours with BCRider, then I feel better. My problem is my BC partner rides Alpine Touring, so I don’t get any feedback except from here.

    I agree that if you’re careless, you’ll have more problems. I almost bought some clicker Approach Skis to do some of that research, but bought Verts instead, and with my spare clicker bindings on them and the Burton split i think i’ll be good.

    Anybody here have any Vert experience? http://www.verts.com

    #580446
    bcrider
    Participant

    @onda wrote:

    Anybody here have any Vert experience? http://www.verts.com

    The “search” button is your friend. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #580447
    ttriche
    Participant

    @bcrider wrote:

    @onda wrote:

    Anybody here have any Vert experience? http://www.verts.com

    The “search” button is your friend. ๐Ÿ™‚

    That button ought to be a field, with a “make magic happen” button, and it oughta be on every page on the site! But we’ve already discussed this.

    Verts are a fucking brilliant solution for steep powder booting.

    #580448
    jimw
    Participant

    Dave, I have play in my interfaces too. Not sure if it’s the same thing you’re talking about though. What I experience is twisting play, i.e. I can grab the back of the binding and slightly rotate it. It hasn’t happened on my latest Burton, but it did happen on previous ones (in one case Burton sent out new interfaces – they worked fine for a while then started gradually developing the same play). I suspect it’s just a matter of time. It doesn’t really move enough to make the board feel strange, but it is worrying. In the past, I would tighten that main bolt under the heel lift, and that would fix for a trip or two. Eventually the bolt was tightened all the way, and that was it. I’m still trying to figure out exactly where the play was coming from. It almost seemed like it had something to do with the sandpaper donut; if I remember correctly, the actual binding seemed to rotate on the interface, but not the interface itself. Weird.

    @dishwasher-dave wrote:

    yo jgag & pwdrjunkie,

    Thanks for the response i was half thinking nobody else experience this.

    I used a littly epoxy to fix the pins from moving. I pushed them out just a tad to make them longer and epoxied them in place and that works fine, but the slop now seems to come from the interface itself. That is what is baffling me.

    Did you notice the slop being only associated with the pins loosening and moving or also with the interface iteslf?

    #580449
    tom.lorenzo
    Participant

    bcrider wrote:
    Burton retired their interface design this year and the boards are now compatible with the time-tested, consumer-trusted Voile interface as well.

    Does this compatibility start since boards 04/05 or only 05/06?
    How is possible making hardware changing in Burton borad?

    Thanks
    Tom
    New split rider: if I find a splitboard in Italy

    #580450
    bcrider
    Participant

    @tom.lorenzo wrote:

    Does this compatibility start since boards 04/05 or only 05/06?

    2006

    @tom.lorenzo wrote:

    How is possible making hardware changing in Burton borad?

    Its really not, unless you get creative. ๐Ÿ™‚

    http://talk.splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=583&highlight=
    http://talk.splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=1805

    Good luck and Welcome Tom! 8)

    #580451
    dishwasher-dave
    Participant

    jim,
    you described what i noticed. i’ve played around with all the available screws, but can’t seem to pinpoint the source of the slop. i don’t have the best engineering brain, but it is still baffling not to be able to figure out what is causing the flex in the interface.
    i have seen interface cracking which would be an obvious slop producer, but so far that is not case with my board.
    the burton to voile adaption that jack has recently posted about on the main page seems like the easiest potential solution so far.

    #580452
    klembro
    Participant

    I took out the 2006 Burton S 168 with the new Voile interface and dropped California shoot at Kirkwood last weekend. The board and interface performed excellent on the 2ft of fresh powder and the groomers going back to the resort. The new interface is ten times better then the old I have heard. I had no problems. I guess you now get the best of both worlds, a great board and a great interface. I would highly recommend.

    ๐Ÿ˜€ โ—

    #580453
    utahgirl
    Participant

    Yes! Funny you should ask. I just retrofitted my ’03 burton split with voile split parts. It took me a long time to do it because I was also afraid to drill a bunch of holes in my board but I didn’t have to. I’ll tell you how.

    I used to ride a split decision but got a good deal on a Burton a year and a half ago. The board is so much better that I suffered with the binding system until now – always longing for the simplicity of my old voile but not willing to go back to an inferior board. The Burton bindings are so bad however that I think it’s actually a safety issue, especially on icy days. I honestly fear the day that I get stuck in the backcountry not able to get my frozen board together.

    So I took the parts off my Voile and put them on the Burton. The pucks actually fit! No problem. You just have to spin the middle part until you get it to line up where you want with the predrilled holes and then make sure your plates slide smoothy on both pucks before you screw them down.
    The problem is the tourning brackets. I tried to drill out the burton brackets to fit the voile plate – dont do that, it doesnt work. Instead, take a titanium drill bit (3 bucks at Smiths) and drill two holes in the Voile touring bracket to match the burton holes. You can take off the burton bracket with an alan wrench and then place it over the voile bracket and use it as a template to mark where you need to drill your holes. Now your voile parts will fit your burton without drilling any new holes in the board. The only drilling you have to do on the board is to mount the climbing bars which dont have to be T-bolted and really have very little stress. In fact, you can use one of the burton holes then turn the the climbing bar slightly off center so it will fit snuggly under the plate, then all you need is to drill one shallow screw to prevent rotation.

    Now you have the performance of the burton board with the simplicity of the voile bindings and no T- bolts or swiss cheese board.

    Anyone looking for a voile board with burton parts? – I’ll give you a great deal!
    ๐Ÿ˜€

    #580454
    jimw
    Participant

    Great idea! Since you can buy the universal pucks and discs (and other touring hardware) at the Voile store online, this might be the easiest way yet for Burton owners to convert to Voile hardware.

    #580455
    DON-MCBC
    Participant

    Just got the new 06′ Burton 162 w/ Voile hardware. What a sweet setup that assembled quickly and easily with a nice tight fit.

    The only thing now we need is “snow”. Last year at this time there was over 20′ on Charleston and Griffith Peak w/ storms coming in almost weekly blessing the bc w/ fresh goodness. This year is almost bare…

    Hiked yesterday to Mt. Stirling (a remote peak in the Spring Mtn. range w/ abundance of pinenuts and petroglyphs) and could clearly see Telescope and the Sierras snow packed peaks. Looks like it might be time to start doing some road trips to get in some riding and if anyone is looking for a bc partner shoot me an email. kiteboardinglasvegas A T gmail D O T com

    At least their has been some good wind out here in the desert so the kiteboarding has been awesome and beaches almost desolate. I am looking forward to using the kite w/ a split soon for some sick hangtime and cover longer distance.

    I will gladly post a review on the new Burton as soon as I get some time in on it. From the way it looks, Burton has put together a very sweet ride this year w/ solid interface.

    Pray for snow,

    Donnie B.
    in Vegas

    #580456
    dishwasher-dave
    Participant

    This is following up utahgirls post about using the newer voile universal pucks on a burton. I had both an old burton and some new voile pucks in the house so I figured I would give this a try.

    If you look at the clusters of holes on a burton there are two on each “ski” that match up perfectly with how voile holes are placed. The screwdriver is pointing to these here.

    And here is a pic with the pucs attached.

    It is super easy to do. The only drawback is that you are limited to one stance width of 21 inches. As long as this width works for you this seems like the way to go with an older burton.

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