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- February 12, 2011 at 8:31 pm #574382
270boardermanParticipantI’m goin to be buying my first spilt I’ve been debating weather to get the Burton Freebird or The venture storm split. with the Burton I like the price alot but Burton products really scare me becuase in the past I personaly thought burton made crap, but I herd they changed. I also can’t find any reviews on the freebird except for the one Kyle Miller Posted. The Venture Storm I know is just a badass board so I know its guarentee but the price scares me.
February 12, 2011 at 9:59 pm #636443wasatch surfParticipantfuck burton
February 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm #636444BurtonbreckParticipantIve got the Freebird and its badass, Still dont understand why so many people are Burton haters, they continue to make the best snowboarding gear in the world. Do yourself a favor and give it a try!
February 12, 2011 at 10:33 pm #636445wasatch surfParticipanthave you put up a review of the the freebird, i would like to see one other than kyle millers. I dislike burton because nothing i have ever had from them has lasted more than one season with out breaking, with the exception of some mission bindings from long ago.
February 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm #636446SnurferParticipant@Burtonbreck wrote:
Ive got the Freebird and its badass, Still dont understand why so many people are Burton haters, they continue to make the best snowboarding gear in the world. Do yourself a favor and give it a try!
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Spark R&D ArcFebruary 13, 2011 at 12:20 am #636447digeratiParticipantI prefer to give my hard earned dollars to companies hand making snowboards and keeping it real. Venture, Prior, Never Summer, Unity.. Spendy, yes. You get what you pay for and you are also providing work for real deal shred heads like you and me..
FWIW I just paid 900 for a brand new Prior AMF and once you get hardware and skins for that Freebird, you will spend more than that probably..
February 14, 2011 at 3:55 pm #636448kings run eastParticipantif a small company does really well and turns into a big company then I feel that they are still deserving of my support- especially if they make a good product, like burton’s bindings.
that being said, I saw the freebird and I was really disappointed. if you compare it to a jones or a venture you’ll just wonder where your money’s going- it’s a cheaper board, but it looks like it should cost much, much less than it does.
February 14, 2011 at 4:31 pm #636449MengParticipantI have not seen the Freebird. I can telly you that I ride a 2010/11 Venture Zephyr Split and several other split friends are on Venture’s and we all totally love ’em. The ride is great and they are durable and well made. Additionally, living in CO, I like supporting a local company with a conscience. I am not a Burton hater and ride their boots and binders on my solid board. That doesn’t really answer your question but I do think that in the long run your money would be well spent on whatever board is the best for you and the conditions you ride, not necessarily the cheapest.
February 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm #636450KGNParticipantAs others have said, Burton really isn’t the cheapest, at least not in Canada. Its doesn’t come with all the goodies like my Prior did, and if you go in and talk to your local builder, often they can do better than the price they have on their website. I would think that maybe Voile has the cheapest price??
Anyways, I have no beef with any companies, Burton included. But my prior is pretty sweet 😛
February 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm #636451burtonParticipantburton bring so muche inovation s on snowboarding and make money – what is wrong.
when every budy hate burton – dont bay it – the freebird is a good board with inovations – a littel bit to havy for my mine . splitboards must be light – and pur – nothing wight nothingi wote for good !
DONT say hate Burton :thumpsup:
AKA Burton
February 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm #636452phreadiParticipant*take my opinion with a grain of salt as I haven’t ridden one, but I’ve been snowboarding since ’86 and have owned more burtons than I care to admit*
One of the cool things I think about the freebird is it’s shape/profile… I think burton has done some interesting things with it’s shape, namely with their new ‘side effects’ ‘technology’..basically making the nose upturn radius VERY gradual, and making the sidecut transition radius from the sidecut to the nose shape very gradual and broad as well…this is basically the sweet-spot for pow planing and nose-lift, and by making this area drastically longer and broader, I would imaging it performs fantastic (as I’ve read and heard that it does). Jones boards have a broad nose too…for pow.
I’m still not sold on whether Burton’s ‘side effects’ flatness at the contact endpoints actually increasing edge hold as burton claims it does… kinda seems counter to what magne traction is, but is supposed to acheive the same result. Read: (lib: increased edge hold via multiple ‘points’ vs. Burton: increased edge hold through mellowing out the end ‘points’… ?)
When I look at a pow board like the ventures with a really pointy nose I just wonder why. And how much better it could probably plane with a broad one.
Sounds like the Freebird is mid-level materials and construction (which may or may not equate to a durable base, i’ve always found burtons to have ptex that holds a lot of wax and are fast, but super soft and easly dingable), on the softer side for flex pattern, but still capable as an all-arounder as long as you’re not girthy. Reviews seem to put it at ‘surprising-light for the price’. caveat emptor.
Burton is a fantastic marketing company. The more I think about it, the more I think they were smart to have a really good design, and just the right mix of mid to upper-mid level materials, so that it’s reasonably light but at a pricepoint that’s significantly lower than higher-end splits. They’ll probalby sell a lot, and they’ll probably have mostly-satisfied customers (as long as they fix nose clip issues on later production runs). All while staying out of the higher-end pricepoint split-purist manu’s.
February 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm #636453jimwParticipant@phreadi wrote:
Sounds like the Freebird is mid-level materials and construction (which may or may not equate to a durable base, i’ve always found burtons to have ptex that holds a lot of wax and are fast, but super soft and easly dingable), on the softer side for flex pattern, but still capable as an all-arounder as long as you’re not girthy. Reviews seem to put it at ‘surprising-light for the price’. caveat emptor.
Based on riding Burton splits for years, I’d say that sounds about right. I beat the hell out of my last Burton, and really liked that board. Would have preferred it to be a tad stiffer though, so if the rumors of the Freebird actually being softer than the previous Burton split are true, that’s a bummer. Regarding the weight… my Burton 162 is a full 1/2 pound lighter than my Jones 164. Before you say “yeah, but the Jones is longer”, the Burton is actually wider in the nose so I don’t think there’s really that much difference in amount of material in the Jones. Now, people say that the Jones is a light board for its size, which it probably is… I think this is just more pointing out that the Burton is just damn light for a split.
February 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm #636454PedroDelfuegoParticipantBurt Fuckton….
Good shape but that’s about it. Burton is about new stuff and planned obsolescence. Meaning every year they have something cool you didn’t know you needed. But there gear is just not durable and if you do the math on how long a Venture / Unity / Winterstick / NS will last you (a lot longer than any Burton), its worth the money.
February 14, 2011 at 7:33 pm #636455russmanParticipant@Burtonbreck wrote:
…… they continue to make the best snowboarding gear in the world. Do yourself a favor and give it a try!
Bullcrap. Burton does NOT make the best gear on the market. Most of their profits go to bling, pro rider paychecks, and their multi million dollar yearly catalog. Not functional innovation of mountain tools.
The Freebird is light and soft because it has a super thin core profile, and despite what Burton claims about their “Infinite Ride Program”, their boards noodle out just like their boots do. My Jones board has 100+ days on it by now, and I’m betting it has at least another 100 days of life left.
The Venture people make an amazing product that is exceptionally durable. If you call or email them, you actually talk to the owners, and you’ll find them to put a ton of effort into developing a personal relationship with you. In other words they actually want to get to know you and learn about what kind of board would best suite your personality and riding style. Also, if you ever were to have warranty issues, they are a small and passionate company and will help you out without questions. Not like Burton, who will just say “we are Burton… Hail us and buy another iteration of the noodle”.
February 14, 2011 at 8:25 pm #636456TEXParticipantOwn a 2005 S165 that still going strong. You clowns are full of shit
February 14, 2011 at 8:48 pm #636457burtonParticipantthe quastion wos : is burton freebird a good board vote.
every budy make a diskusion ….. bla bla . burton wos in the beginning a littel brand and goes bigger – every labil wants to go bigger ( not POGO ).
Plaese come all down to earth, an talk about the bord….
burton
February 14, 2011 at 9:07 pm #636458PedroDelfuegoParticipantI didn’t mean to be a Spanker… (that’s equivalent to a hater if you don’t play hockey).
I voted no, the Venture’s are much, much stronger boards and will last you a long time. Well worth the money in the long run. Freebird is a cool shape but construction and durability are more important.
I like Burton (el hombre Alemania), but I don’t care to much for Burton Snowboards
February 14, 2011 at 10:37 pm #636459TEXParticipantI have no loyalty to any brand. Some on this board do , just because a particular board is made in their home state?
I do like to give credit where credit is due
Burton, Sims, Barfoot–they invented snowboards. Taper, sidecut sintered bottoms rocker camber ect are all ideas taken fron the ski world, surf and skate and applied to snow to have what we have today.
Voile-Inovative enough to put money behind a funky little Idea a guy from Michigan had and now look where we are today.
The others? – Some good, some bad, but not very much inovations, only copying what was already there.
Untill you put up your own cash into something that may or may not play out then you really dont understand
You think Jake Burton got so rich because he coppies others ? No- he took a chance. with his own cash
Now about the original poll
The freebird, yes or no
I would say YES. based on the other Burton splits I have ridden .
February 14, 2011 at 11:41 pm #636460sdmarkusParticipantI have a Burton S-Series 168 which will be my first and last Burton snowboard…EVER. Love the boots, binders and gear just not the boards.
IMHO it’s been a great entry-level splitboard, but nothing close to the caliber of snowboards I have ridden in my lengthy snowboarding career. 😉 Perhaps my expectations are too high and a split will never perform similarly to a high-end solid board or perhaps my Burton s-series is an absolute POS and almost anything else would be an upgrade. Realistically it rides pretty good in the pow as you would hope, but on lengthy tours, critical sidehills and when bombing variable conditions I’d swear I was ridding a polished turd :twocents:
February 17, 2011 at 5:51 am #636461270boardermanParticipantI thanks everbody for there opion, Yeah I’m just goin to throw my money on a venture, I liked what everbody said about sopproting your local companys and how its more personal. Nothing personal, I’ve always hated burton and like everbody said I didn’t mind there bindings, I just wanted some opoins on the freebird. I’ve also been diggin the new wintersticks so I’m also goin to be checking them out. Thanks again!!
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