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- December 22, 2008 at 1:24 am #570889
yesterday some stranger approached me while I was standing there with my split and started telling me about how unsafe the slider plates are. Apparently the stopper tab on the heel can break off. The guy told me that if you look at almost any slider plate you can see the hairline cracks along the tab. He was super serious about the whole issue and what a safety hazard this is in the back country, “Imagine being up the back of the pass and having your slider plate break.”
Well, since yesterday I’ve checked a few slider plates that are a few years old and seen no evidence of cracking. I just don’t see that the tab really takes so much abuse as to break it off, but I’ve been wrong before. Has anybody else heard of this? Or was this guy just trippin’?December 22, 2008 at 4:36 am #612428bcriderParticipant
Slider plates? What are those? My Spark bindings don’t use slider plates. 😉
Seriously though, yes they can get hairline cracks. I’ve only seen them on plates I’ve had for many years and that have seen a lot of use. The holes where the slider pins go can bore out a little too after lots of use. Again, both issues solved with Sparks. 🙂
I haven’t heard of any tabs actually breaking in the past though but if the cracks get large enough I guess they could.
Out of curiosity was the guy you spoke to a boarder or skier? If boarder what was he using?December 22, 2008 at 5:12 pm #612429SRAParticipant
I’ve had one tab come seriously close to coming off. The other tab had some long cracks too, but not as bad. At this point the holes where the pins go were also heavily worn, and a deep groove had formed where the pin laid across. This was on the older split decision, with the blue flames. It seems like in walk mode, the tab was bearing a lot of my weight. There is a small plastic block on the heel peice for the lifters. As that started to wear down, I think the tabs were taking more of the weight.
It took me about 4 years to wear out the plates though. That’s some decent use.
Any newer board with the blueish plates are supposedly made from a stronger aluminum. Is there anybody out there can vouch that these new plates are better?
I’ve also switched to Sparks so I don’t have to worry about this problem.
I’ve reused the old plates to make some faux-Sparks by cutting them in half, flipping them upside down and bolting them to some metal bindings with some UHMW plastic spacers between. Not as sweet looking as the real Sparks, but they did the job until Will got production going.December 23, 2008 at 7:33 pm #612430
I am the stranger :bananas:
wish i put this info on this site earlier.
My issue with broken heel tabs has been going on for the past four winters.
Early season 05/06 I was up the Asulkan valley in Rogers Pass and was putting my Prior split into
board mode when I had the strange experience of sliding my front binder right off my toe edge!!?? :scratch:
My heel tab was no more, broken off at the bent point. Some zap straps and thin rope helped me ride board mode to get some pow stoke and then old skiing skills helped out the rest of the way. Not a huge epic….but my concern is what would happen if I was in tight rock chute going mach 10 and my foot slides off my toe edge? This thought worries me. I have since keep a close eye on my plates and now have a collection of 4 badly cracked plates and the one with the tab completely broken off. I have had a pair of stronger aluminum plates sent to me from Volle and have put a bit of time on them this winter. No cracks yet.Volle has been rad with customer service and has gone the extra step in making me a stronger plate.
I asked the R&D dept about a lower binding set up with better board feel, not just the same old plate but stronger. I thought we deserved better. something progressive like the soul of snowboarding.
I ride a stiff soft boot set up: Driver X boots with power wrap Intuition liners, C-60 binders and a Prior 165 Kyber.
I have since heard about the future. Spark R&D is a breath of fresh air for our stale technology :rock: I have yet to try them but I already see how much sense it makes. So stoked to check them out.
Go Will Go :headbang:December 23, 2008 at 7:49 pm #612431
hey stranger, I’m the guy from the parking lot.
There really is no better place to get the down-low on gear than this site, eh?
It sure seems like the Ignitions are the way to go. Unfortunately I had to spend my cash on my son’s ski set up rather than my own gear this year. Maybe next year I’ll be able to pick up some sparks.January 21, 2009 at 4:19 pm #612432
I feel so alone with this problem cracking heel tabs. It sounds like not many people are having this trouble. I have looked at as many splits as i can get my hands on and have pointed out many a weak cracked heel tab on those plates.
I worry that many split boarders just don’t realize that they have these dangerous cracks on their plates. Please take a good look at the underside of the plates, they show there first. I have stared to see cracks on the stronger prototype plates Volle had sent me this fall. :banghead:
I have since ordered a set of Spark R&D binders and I am waiting for them to arrive. So stoked to check them out :headbang:
Yeah WILL :clap: Thanks for giving us another option.January 22, 2009 at 3:27 am #612433
well, after a whole bunch more days on the slider plates I have indeed found a hairline crack on one heel tab. It is not a very big crack and I am certainly going to keep my eye on it over the next few weeks. I am having spark envy right now.January 26, 2009 at 6:27 pm #612434
I checked my slider plates yesterday as I was reassembling my board and noticed that I too have cracked heel tabs on both of my slider plates. Both crackes are clearly visable to the naked eye and each one is roughly 1/8″ long. As I was showing my buddy the cracks he kind of chuckled and said “Dude, you just justified a set of Sparks didn’t you?”. “Yes I did” was my happy reply :bananas: .
If you haven’t checked your slider plates then you need to do so imediately. I don’t even want to imagine the carnage that could ensue from a spontanious binding ejection at the wrong time. Voile should be doing a better job in the QC dept. as the cracks that I have are clearly a heat treat/metal fatigue issue. They either need a proper heat treatment after the plate bending process or they need to switch to a different Alu. alloy that will be more resilient to the induced stresses that we put on the plates during use.January 29, 2009 at 4:24 am #612435
@bones get broke wrote:
As I was showing my buddy the cracks he kind of chuckled and said “Dude, you just justified a set of Sparks didn’t you?”. “Yes I did” was my happy reply :bananas: .
What may seem like a hassle is really just a push in a better direction.
I have rode my new SPARK R&D binders for the past few days and have one thing to say…. IT FINALLY FEELS LIKE SNOWBOARDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU WILL @ SPARK R&D. :thatrocks:
I am no longer fearful of the potential carnage of my binding sliding off the board.
You say they need to use better Alu. on the plates…..I say F#*k the plates lets get out of the stale Volle swamp and get this system moving forward again. What happens when you over milk a cow? the tits bleed.
Broken plates are just bloody tits on an over milked cow.
Sorry for the strong words, but I don’t take my personal safety lightly.January 30, 2009 at 2:28 pm #612436
Dude, I just got my sparks last night. Brown Santa fucking rocks, I love that guy. Anyway, I bought a set of Ignition II baseplates and mounted the highbacks from a set of Step Ins that I already had. Pure Gold. High five to Will for his quality craftsmanship and attention to detail. These things make the voile slider plates look like some kind of garage sale reject piece of crap. I can’t wait to get out on the new binder set up.
FKNA Will :drinks:March 17, 2009 at 8:42 pm #612437BIC99Participant
Is anyone still having broken tabs on their slider plates? I just noticed the significant cracks (on each end of the tab) on both of my plates. Sent pictures to Voile and with no questions asked they’re sending me a new set of sliders (props to great customer service).
I can’t recall where someone may have touched on this topic.. but did Voile address this problem with a new alloy?
I’d hate to see cracks on my plates on a regular basis and need to replace them (again).March 18, 2009 at 8:10 pm #612438treetopParticipant
Thanks for the info – mine are cracked too, after only a season and a half. This is good to know before heading into the mountains.
I thought of two things that might be apply extra force to the heel tab: 1) too much gusto sliding the plate on (busting through the built up ice and snow), or 2) a small amount of play between the pin and the pucks.March 18, 2009 at 8:38 pm #612439split.therapyParticipant
2) a small amount of play between the pin and the pucks.
Have any you who have broken the tabs noticed play between your pin and pucks?
I allow for no play and have never broken a plate. I have worn them out from skinning.March 18, 2009 at 8:48 pm #612440
I had zero play in my slider plates. The cracks appeared to be fatigue cracks and in, my opinion, came from poor QC / heat treatment which resulted in less ductile aluminum.March 18, 2009 at 9:36 pm #612441treetopParticipant
Have any you who have broken the tabs noticed play between your pin and pucks?
I allow for no play and have never broken a plate. I have worn them out from skinning.
It must be somewhat satisfying to wear through a piece of metal from skinning… I have plenty of miles to go before that happens.
I set mine up with zero play (that I can detect), using the plastic voile puck placement tool. I also check the tightness of all bolts before long tours. I was thinking a very small amount of play is inevitable in the system, otherwise the pin couldn’t slide past the pucks. I also imagine the amount of play could increase over time due to wear on the plastic pucks from the metal pin.
I just wish the slider plates were made stronger.March 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm #612442
I just wish the slider plates were made stronger.
This fall I received a set of red plates that the Volle r&d dept made of stronger alum.
They were starting to crack within 20 days of touring (very small cracks but in the same spot as before)
I have five badly cracked plates and one with a tab completely broken off.
Been splitin’ for six seasons and have always kept my system tight and without play.
My thoughts on why this is happening are….
1. The aluminum heel tabs are taking all of the energy that is being sent up from your board when charging a line. This transfer of force from board to heel tab to binding has shown a possible weak link?
2. When in touring mode the tab is resting on the heel lifter. After walking and putting your weight on that small bent tab of aluminum would it be enough to cause cracks?
3. The most obvious and easily fixed reason for this problem is……….
YOU HAVEN’T BOUGHT A PAIR OF SPARK R&D BINDINGS YET!? :headbang:
No more worry of my foot sliding off my board at high speed and they make riding a splitboard feel like a real snowboard set up. :rock:
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