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  • #566770
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Its time to buy new boots. This was my first year in the backcountry and I have had some dissapointments from my footwear. Leaking in anything thats soft in the day and staying wet all night. Now, should I cross over to a mountaineering boot? I wont give up strap bindings so I need something light, tall , semi-flexible( old school skateboarder) and something that stays DRY. Recommendations?

    #582613
    meatbot
    1 Posts

    Strap bindings exist because 15 year old boys drive the market, dump the straps and get a pair of Bomber’s or a set of Voiles and some ice climbing boots (Koflachs) and a stiff after market liner, this is bone dry, gives excellent flex and allows you to eject in a second when its time to transition or you are getting buried in a slide. You can also kick steps into crud, use crampons and truly go places you can’t in skateboard shoes.

    #582614
    Zach
    127 Posts
    #582615
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    @patroller420 wrote:

    Leaking in anything thats soft in the day and staying wet all night.

    I’ve had issues with softboots, but that’s not one of them. I’ve never had leaks or gotten wet (other than from sweat) during the day. At night I put the liners in my sleeping bag at the bottom and that dries them out for the next day.

    #582616
    bcd
    232 Posts

    I’ve been thinking about doing the mountaineering boot/strap binding combo, as well.

    This setup seems ideal….
    http://www.splitboard.net/talk/viewtopic.php?t=664&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
    …but I would need to add a heelstrap. Easy enough. It looks like a good way to eliminate half the binding.

    I haven’t searched all that much, but the problem I have encountered is that many mountaineering boots aren’t tall enough for highbacks. Also, it is difficult to demo those things before actually trying them.

    @meatbot wrote:

    Strap bindings exist because 15 year old boys drive the market

    I have to disagree with that.

    Strap bindings exist because they offer the most sensitivity, versatility, and control in a wide variety of conditions. In certain conditions, hard boots might be able to match the control of strap bindings, but they will never come close to matching the sensitivity and versatility.

    They also exist because they are the only type of binding that allows us to ride in a style we have grown accustomed to. Riding hard boots/plates is simply a different style. After nearly 20 years of snowboarding, I do not have the desire or patience to learn a new form of descending. I like my snowboarding just the way it is.
    Hardboots/plates have their place, but they are not for everyone. There is no way they would allow me to do the things I like to do. And that is not acceptable. I know I spent 95% of my time skinning/climbing, but my #1 reason for going into the backcountry is for the ride down.

    So, patroller420, let me know if you find something that looks good. I’ll be searching as well. I am hopeful that a mountaineering boot in a strap binding will allow for performance similar to a traditional soft boot setup. Don’t know yet.
    But don’t give up hope! Don’t abandon your strap-binding roots! Don’t listen to these crazy new-school sellouts!

    #582617
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @bcd wrote:

    I know I spent 95% of my time skinning/climbing, but my #1 reason for going into the backcountry is for the ride down.

    I could not agree with this more. I even have a saying…it all comes down to the descent.

    get the play on words too?…down..descent 🙂

    #582618
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Gotta admit, I love the straps. Also soft boots are soooo comfortable.

    #582619
    dave
    100 Posts

    patroller420 says

    …..something light, tall , semi-flexible( old school skateboarder) and something that stays DRY.

    picky picky. we want it all don’t we? 😉 i’m probably worse though. something that stays dry is going to be hard to find simply because your feet will perspire(sp?). well, ok then. what will dry overnight? how much do your feet perspire while you tour/snowboard? everyone is different, just as different boots will fit some people better than others…..whether or not they meet the light, tall, flexible, dry criterion.

    some folks have mentioned the hardboot option. uhm, probably not flexible enough for ya if you have the old school sk8 style. a really stiff soft boot may be the ticket. however, if you’re booting up chutes and participating in other mountaineering shananagans, then the soft boots may not perform to your expectations.

    i’ll have to strongly agree with bcd, and the reason for going into the backcountry. it’s all about the ride down, but if you can’t get there, then there is no ride down.

    here are some liners that meet the light, tall, and semi-flexible criterion. not too sure about the dry part. i’ve never riden them.
    http://www.bomberonline.com/store/accessories/hpd_liner.cfm

    personally, i have a little bit of the old school style too and like to think i can still do some of the tricks i used to. i’ve gone with a very stiff soft boot: Salomon Malamutes. the liners do not dry very quickly and sure as sh*t wouldn’t dry out in the feet of my sleepingbag. they were really stiff at first, compared to what i was on before (2yr old Burton Rulers/sneakers/crap), but it took about 3 days of riding lifts to get used to them. after that, i was back to the same old style as i rode before. i don’t think i could get used to the hardboot setup and still ride and get the feel i am looking for when i descend. another stiff soft boot is the Burton Driver which might be something to look at.

    these are the only two boots i know of that will maintain thier support more than a year and still allow you to feel your ride……unlike a hardboot would. as mentioned here in regards to soft strap bindings……..more versatility.

    depending on your aggressiveness and how often you ride, some other boots may provide a softer more flexible option, but they may also lose thier “support” quicker than the two mentioned above. IMO

    my 2cents…..

    #582620
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Well Meatbot, I did ask for an opion, but as far as straps, Im 43, but closer in thinking to the 15 year old boys . Ill give up my straps when you pry my cold dead fingers from them. Maybe then I will switch to plastic boots, speedo swimwear and wearing black socks and shoes with shorts. It is all about the decent .But as far as the wetness, it doesnt come from sweat, it comes from the nylon sterech area around the tounge. When I get into soft snow it drops down the cracks of the tounge eventually wetting the liner and then the feet. I spayed boots and liner with scotchguard and they stayed dry. unfortunately my 3 year old boots slowly fell apart on shasta.

    #582621
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    What the hell , Im from Texas. Anybody ever ride in a pair of shitkicker boots? Cowpoke style ?

    #582622
    jimw
    1421 Posts

    @patroller420 wrote:

    What the hell , Im from Texas. Anybody ever ride in a pair of shitkicker boots? Cowpoke style ?

    I bet you could get fassnor to try those!

    But as far as the wetness, it doesnt come from sweat, it comes from the nylon sterech area around the tounge. When I get into soft snow it drops down the cracks of the tounge eventually wetting the liner and then the feet.

    So on your boots this area is below the area that is covered by the inner gaiter on your pants (assuming you have gaiters built into the pants)? I haven’t experienced this problem…

    the liners do not dry very quickly and sure as sh*t wouldn’t dry out in the feet of my sleepingbag.

    Have you actually tried it? I thought it was bullshit too, till I actually tried it. Oh, pull the insoles out too if you have them. I’m sure some liners just won’t dry, but really it’s amazing the way things will dry out in there. Can make for some interesting sleeping though when you’re trying to cram 50 things in your mummy bag (I got a slightly wider cut bag which helps). A little foot powder in the liner and the socks in the morning can make a big difference too.

    #582623
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    @patroller420 wrote:

    closer in thinking to the 15 year old boys

    You smoke bowls like a 15 year old boy too 8)

    #582624
    dave
    100 Posts

    jimbo,
    i have not slept with those liners in the feet of my sleeping bag in temperatures below freezing, as of yet. in my previous experiance with the Salomon Malamutes i have riden them as much as 3 or more days consecutively. the liners have been removed from the boots to “air out” overnight in comfortable room temperatures (60-70F degress, roughly). they never fully dried out.

    assuming those boot driers that blow out a warmer temperature air to dry out boots, wouldn’t the liners dry out faster in a higher temperature? say, a room temperature compared to the feet of a sleepingbag in below freezing temperatures. so if i stick my hand down in my boots in the morning after having them in the feet of my sleeping bag in below freezing temperatures, and after having toured in them during the previous day then i will not feel any moisture or wetness in the liner? that’s just one of those things i won’t believe until i see if for myself. sorry.

    i’m not much into science and following molecule evaporation, but to me it seems as though boot liners, clothing, and anything else that may be “wet” would not dry out just by putting it in the feet of a bag. i would think that a better reason for putting them in such a spot overnight is just for pure inconvienience of being even more comfortable while sleeping on snow in cold windy weather, and in a tent. ….and for not having to put on cold boots to make your coffee in the morning. . either way, my liners will go in the feet of my bag cause coffee is priority. 😉 thanks for your feedback though. we learn something every day.

    oh, there is also a neoprene or similar type fabric ontop of the liner which inserts into the Malamutes. the laces of the boot go over this neoprene so no snow sneaks into the boot and melts onto your foot to get it wet. pant gaiters take care of the upper part of the boot. i think that most boots do not have that problem unless they are maybe Burton Stumpy’s or something. haha. remember those things? the Loafers may also have that problem. 😆

    #582625
    mtnrider
    740 Posts

    @dave wrote:

    jimbo,
    i have not slept with those liners in the feet of my sleeping bag in temperatures below freezing, as of yet.

    I’d try it before you knock it…I haven’t wore either pair of my boots(K2 Clicker Firebirds/Northwave KJ) wet after camping out yet. I, like Jim, also remove my footbeds and stuff the liners in my bag. I have a small mummy bag and after a little bit, everything settles into place and I don’t get a cramped feeling at all. I haven’t spent more than 2 nights/3days out in a row camping out so my experiences end there. Other than my foot sweating out, I don’t think I’ve soaked them thru from the outside either, wet yes but soaked ugh-uh. The Firebirds I have seem a little more susceptable to leaking though, they are more cloth material where the KJ’s are synthetic leather/pleather of some sorts.

    #582626
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    It all about the liners guys. 🙂

    Get thermofit liners and you will avoid wet liners in the first place. When the liners do get wet, thermo’s will dry much quicker too. They’re also much lighter than stock liners.

    As for the sleeping bag drying system. It’s a proven method for drying items in a wet and cold climate. Your body heat will dry your items. Sleeping bag choice and quality will affect performance. Its important to not dry too much stuff at once otherwise there will be too much moisture in the bag which will freeze and then make you cold.

    I like to dry my small items (gloves, socks, etc) in my jacket early in the evening so when sleep time comes I don’t have too much stuff in my bag. I also like to put my liners in a stuff sack when they’re dry rather than leave them in my bag.

    #582627
    powderjunkie
    1669 Posts

    Patroller, get some Salomon Malamutes dude. Comfy and stiff. My liners don’t really get wet either.

    How’s your wakeboard season going, getting out much.

    #582628
    bdub
    40 Posts

    when drying liners, the sleeping bag works…marginally. a better method for your long trips is to also place a heat packet in your boot. thermodynamics will move the moisture from the warm area (inside) to the cold area (outside). if you’r bag is crowded (socks, down, feet, etc.) you can just place your boots in the the tent or vestibule throw a heater in and go to sleep. in the morning throw another heater in to warm the boots before you put them on, then use the heater on your hands until you have skinned far enough to be warm. also: heed bcrider’s thermoliner advice, it’s good.

    now if you can find me a system that will let me ride my bike in -25f and wear my spd shoes for more than an hour before the metal transmits too much cold to my feet, then your my freakin hero! (actually there are a few methods that will be explored this winter…

    #582629
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Wakeboarding has been going good. Three traveling trips this summer. Bass lake near yosemite, Big bear lake in San Bernadino national forest and Long Beach Marine stadium. I also have made a lot of trips to san vicente resivor in San Diego. Good thing I have a boat, the surf here has been terrible with nothing over a couple of feet in a while. I guess its a good time to work on the house before the surf gets good and the snow starts. Again I say to all, if you are in San Diego and want to surf or wakeboard PM me and I will take you out.

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