Forums Bindings Spark R&D Blaze’s in Touring Mode-Torque on Climbing Wire?
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  • #566822
    kitesurfa
    18 Posts

    So just got my new Blaze’s and set them up, awesome! But one question: In touring mode they do not come to rest on the solid base of the climbing wire set up the way the Voile plates do. Instead they drop directly on to the climbing wire itself when the wire is laying flat (not an issue if the climbing wire is up). This seems to put a fair bit of torque on the wire and the base the wire sits in. Seems like over time it could potentially weaken and maybe even break the climbing wire base?

    Were the previous Sparks plates like this too, and/or anyone else have any issues with this?

    #583238
    RideEverything
    11 Posts

    I just picked up the Blaze bindings as well.
    I had to file out notches on the touring bracket because the bindings were coming into contact with the bracket not allowing them to come close to sitting flush on the climbing heel pad. I filed out notches and now they sit properly on the climbing heel pad.

    The base of the binding does come in contact with the climbing wire when in the touring mode. However, it only comes into contact with the wire about a half of a mm before contacting the the pad. The plastic bumper tube on the wire is what is making that contact happen. But it is so minimal I’m not worried.

    I am assuming that your climbing heel pads have the raised rectangular block in the middle of the pad? Could the issue be the shape/bend of the climbing wire?

    I would post pictures but I am having a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to do it!

    2007 Prior Khyber Split 170 (trad camber)
    2008 Spark R&D Blaze (modded)

    #583236
    buckchow
    356 Posts

    @rideeverything wrote:

    I had to file out notches on the touring bracket because the bindings were coming into contact with the bracket not allowing them to come close to sitting flush on the climbing heel pad. I filed out notches and now they sit properly on the climbing heel pad.

    ^I’m experiencing the same thing. To illustrate, the upper right quadrant of this photo shows where the black anodizing has been ground off where it was hitting my touring bracket:

    I ground it down with a file and now it’s OK.

    And yes, the binder rests on the climbing wire when it’s not fully loaded, but I’m not concerned with that.

    #583237
    Will
    376 Posts

    Hey splitters,
    There is a small amount of interference on the new Voile touring brackets that I didn’t catch before production started. I was trying to keep that surface really close to the back of the brackets to make it easy to line up the pins, however the touring brackets changed shape a bit with Voile’s new version. If you notice a bit of interference, the best way to break in your bindings is to hit the skin track. The little bit of extra material will be removed and won’t won’t harm the brackets or the baseplates. You don’t have to file or torch or weld anything! Just get out on the hill and use them and they’ll break in just right. If you have any questions or concerns, please get in touch with us!

    #583234
    bogong
    4 Posts

    what do you mean by “Just hit the skin track”??

    #583235
    HikeforTurns
    1113 Posts

    So I assume the new touring bracket makes this a non issue? Any ETA? Id like to keep my Blazes all shiny and can wait for the new brackets….

    #583233
    kitesurfa
    18 Posts

    Thanks guys. Hitting the skin track means just start using em and the issue will resolve itself. Filing out tiny notches into the touring bracket also works, and I doubt weakens the bracket at all. Anyway, the Voile bracket is definitely the weak link in the system now so hopefully something new is coming soon!

    #583239
    RideEverything
    11 Posts

    I would like to add that there was more than “a small amount of interference” in the way the binding was contacting the the touring bracket. Although, my Voile hardware is 3 years old. Has the Voile touring bracket changed shape drastically since then?
    I bought the large size bindings and there was at least 2-3cm of space between the heel pad and the binding’s base. When pushed down so the binding’s base came in contact with the heel pad the touring bracket was having a large amount of torque applied to it.
    This is definitely not something that would have worked itself out by hitting the skin track!
    I filed notches into the brackets and I am set. Which means I am still happy with my purchase!

    2007 Prior Khyber Split 170 (trad camber)
    2008 Spark R&D Blaze (modded)

    #583240
    gnarcharger
    22 Posts

    Can anyone post photos of where to file the notches in the touring bracket…I can’t figure out where the problem lies.

    I’m having the same problem where the binding sits like 3cm above the heel in touring mode. shit ain’t right.

    here’s what my situation looks like right now:

    if I push the binding down anymore it stresses the touring bracket…no good.

    Cheers,

    – Derek

    #583241
    buckchow
    356 Posts

    @gnarcharger wrote:

    Can anyone post photos of where to file the notches in the touring bracket…I can’t figure out where the problem lies.

    Do you see the photo that I posted above, in this thread? The silver scratched-up part on the binder shows where the interference is, and hence where you should file. Like, ten passes with my file, and it was good to go. Only a tiny bit of material needs to be removed to allow the binder heel to sit properly.

    I filed the binder, not the bracket, cuz it seemed easier.

    #583242
    splitchank
    97 Posts
    RideEverything wrote:
    I would like to add that there was more than “a small amount of interference” in the way the binding was contacting the the touring bracket. Although, my Voile hardware is 3 years old. Has the Voile touring bracket changed shape drastically since then?
    I bought the large size bindings and there was at least 2-3cm of space between the heel pad and the binding’s base. When pushed down so the binding’s base came in contact with the heel pad the touring bracket was having a large amount of torque applied to it.
    This is definitely not something that would have worked itself out by hitting the skin track!
    quote]

    Q4T, experiencing the same here. Big torque applied to the bracket, I’m pushing 255 with no gear, I will shred that bracket. The only thing I think that may have been “worked out on the skin track” would be me…postholing home. I do however dig the binding and with some mods think it will be killer in the BC.

    Small thing I noticed… the glue did not stick the padding to the highback on one of the bindings, peeled right off when I fondled them out of the box.

    #583243
    idarado
    69 Posts

    Seriously? You guys just spent $300 on bindings and now have to take a file to them in order to make them work? Something is wrong with this picture.

    #583244
    bcrider
    4149 Posts

    C,
    A couple of things to remember….

    Spark was the first company to listen to the needs of splitters and make a splitboard specific binding. This dramatically improved splitboard performance and the overall experience for everyone from old skool splitters to noobs. In my opinion it was a historic event within the sport and pretty much every splitter from then on out has benefited from it or will benefit from it in the future. The integrated slider track/baseplate is the formula of the future whether that be with Sparks, Voile Light Rails, and even new systems like Karakoram. So when a small issue like this pops up within our segment from a company that we love and respect, we as splitters are generally much more understanding than we might be if it were a normal company in mainstream snowboarding.

    As others have said, its really not a big issue either, there’s just a small section to take down or you can get the new LT touring brackets and they dont need to be taken down at all. :thumbsup:

    #583245
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    I’d be curious to know how many of the folks finding binding issues between the touring bracket and the Blaze are throwing the Blazes on brand new Voile hardware? With such tight clearances with brand new hardware all around I wouldn’t doubt problems cropping up.

    That was Pontus

    #583246
    Will
    376 Posts

    Hi splitters,
    My sincere apologies for this issue. It’s very important to me and everyone at Spark R&D that our customers are 100% satisfied with our products. As always if you’re having a problem or have a question about our stuff the most direct way you can get help is to drop me an email at will@sparkrandd.com or call the shop at 406.580.7674.

    From the designer’s perspective I wanted to have that part of the baseplate hug the touring bracket to make aligning and inserting the pins easy. That part of the baseplate was designed around the Voile brackets from 2-3 years ago. The new brackets are of a slightly different shape, and stick out further to the rear:
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    Our splits around the shop are all outfitted with either the older style Voile brackets or LT brackets, so the issue didn’t pop up during testing. I was very surprised to hear that RideEverything had this problem with an older style Voile bracket, but I’m out of the loop on their revisions over time.

    I got a set of the newer style Voile brackets and set them up on my split last weekend. We were lucky to get some early season snow here so I was able to get out for some half day missions. I took a brand new set of binders out of the box and started skinning. Like the others have said, the heel of my baseplate was about 3/4 of an inch off of the heel risers with no pressure on it. For the first few steps I could feel resistance but after a short time there was none (for reference I weigh 185lb). Basically the steel Voile bracket nibbled a little triangle off the aluminum baseplates:

    The baseplates now sit flat with no pressure on them and the pins insert well as they now are matched to the brackets. The Voile brackets don’t have a mark on them (same ones as photo above).

    There are basically three options for people experiencing this problem. 1. Go touring and the material will be removed. 2. If you’d prefer, file that little piece off (take it slow!). or 3. You can send just your baseplates back to Spark R&D and we’ll machine those pieces off. User modifications will not void the warranty. I do not endorse altering your Voile touring brackets.

    Again sorry for any inconvenience guys, I want you to be completely happy with your bindings. Please contact us with any questions or concerns.

    Big thanks to BCRider for the site and the support over the years! Much appreciated. Hopefully we’ll get to make some turns this year bud!

    #583247
    idarado
    69 Posts

    Understandable Will, a couple of passes with the file is no big deal. No disrespect intended, stoked on the gear!

    #583248
    hoglord
    202 Posts

    I love my Blaze’s I set them up and they were money right out of the box. I took them for my first tour at Donner last weekend and they were totally flawless. I like them more than my CO2’s and I would ride them on my fish if it was split. I did see the notation on the box that some modification may be required, but isn’t that the reason that we all splitboard? Our board itself is such a radical modification that sanding or filling a piece of aluminum should be the last thing to freak out about. It’s one more step. Build it up.

    Remember what Shoeless Joe Jackson says, “If you build it, they will come.” He had to have been thinking of snowflakes.

    Hey Will, could you give me a job? I’m cheap.

    #583249
    Will
    376 Posts

    Yes

    #583250
    hoglord
    202 Posts

    Sweet!!!!Here’s my email.

    gnarnpow@gmail.com

    Let me know what I can do.

    #583251
    Dan9
    44 Posts

    I went and hit the skin track and then hit it again and could not stop hitting it until I blacked out. When I came to a bunch of angry skiers chased me into a bear cave and I spontaneously combusted

    :scratch:
    must sleep
    good night.

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