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  • #572873
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    Why wouldn’t these work great for a split? The Tip loop should work fine oncce you adjust for the angle.

    Im thinking about picking up a pair and trying em’ out unless someone can come up w/ enough reasons not to…

    #625224
    Shep
    525 Posts

    Go for it… BD says they are designed for skis w/ a waist width of >110mm, and they are 160mm wide, so just about right for a Mojo. Only possible issue is that the BD skins come with tip loops already installed, so you would have to remove the screws, or buy a second set of tip loops. Maybe you could arrange a custom order from BD w/o tip-loops installed?

    #625225
    brg
    141 Posts

    i cant think of a time when i am looking for less skin under my split, it seems like all the skin tracks are too steep to get any glide anyways, sometime i end up slipping backwards on icy skin tracks so, I will take all the skin i can get.

    #625226
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    You attach the skin loop yourself, so I’d be fine there.

    As far as less skin for traction, it doesnt seem to be a problem. With our splits as wide as they are, you still have a TON of fur on the snow! Not to mention, out here in the EAST where our approaches are loooong and rolling, any help w/ glide and weight is a good thing.

    #625227
    Shep
    525 Posts

    The new style skins we cut for my buds skis came pre-attached to the tip loops… Those were tailless skins, so it would make sense if STS skins came with the tip loops unattached to adjust length.

    #625228
    earthsurfing
    144 Posts

    I just got a pair of these earlier this winer, and haven’t taken them out yet. I’ll get back with some feedback, but as far as the setup, etc:

    1. Stoked on the adjustable tip loops- lets me fit the skin to the asym ‘ski’ tip perfectly.

    2. Tail clips seem like they will hold very well, but well see in the field.

    3. trimming the skins was more compliated, as I had to center the skinless portion, and risked losing some fur at the side cut. I’ll see if I can get some pics up.

    anyway, I’m all about the glide so I went for it.

    I’ll get back with how they actually do.

    #625229
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    @earthsurfing wrote:

    I just got a pair of these earlier this winer, and haven’t taken them out yet. I’ll get back with some feedback, but as far as the setup, etc:

    1. Stoked on the adjustable tip loops- lets me fit the skin to the asym ‘ski’ tip perfectly.

    2. Tail clips seem like they will hold very well, but well see in the field.

    3. trimming the skins was more compliated, as I had to center the skinless portion, and risked losing some fur at the side cut. I’ll see if I can get some pics up.

    anyway, I’m all about the glide so I went for it.

    I’ll get back with how they actually do.

    Stoked to hear how they work!!!!

    #625230
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    SO anyone use these yet? Reviews?

    I read somewhere that Jeremy Jones uses them…..

    #625231
    summersgone
    820 Posts

    There was a write up in Backcountry. If i needed new skins I would pull the trigger.

    #625232
    utasidian
    120 Posts

    I’m pretty sure karkis was using these skins last year. yup, just searched and found a thread here http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7994

    #625233
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    BD Ascension skins are what Voile uses. They buy the material and make them into the Tractor Skins. the Ascension Split is just missing the material in the center.

    Also the BD tip connector works great on a splitty, it is the tail attachment you need to worry about. The missing split strip on these will not adhere to the base of the board and may take on snow and come loose.

    #625234
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I just received my split skins for my new board. Looks like the stock tip attachment can be set up asym no problem to fit a splitboard. These are crazy light as well, seems like about a 4 ounce weight saving per skin, huge! I will be cutting off the tail attachment, I never need ’em.

    #625235
    nswelton
    3 Posts

    maybe this is a dumb question, but i just got my split skins and they have about a half inch overhang on either side… do i leave that or do i trim them down? i’m using a voile mojo board. if i trim them down, there will be less fur and a bit fat strip of nylon down the middle..?? im a confused gumby…

    #625236
    chrisNZ
    304 Posts

    @nswelton wrote:

    maybe this is a dumb question, but i just got my split skins and they have about a half inch overhang on either side… do i leave that or do i trim them down? i’m using a voile mojo board. if i trim them down, there will be less fur and a bit fat strip of nylon down the middle..?? im a confused gumby…

    trim them

    #625237
    nswelton
    3 Posts

    sure, i’m going to trim them, but does the reduced surface area impact climbing ability?

    #625238
    chrisNZ
    304 Posts

    yeah but your spliti is 140-160 wide which they are made for so you be fine. Their is still plenty of skin left after you trim them.

    #625239
    affix snow
    521 Posts

    Yes. You need to trim them. Center the strip and use the tool they give you. Plenty of videos online too.

    #625240
    hoglord
    202 Posts

    Dude I used them today and they are the truth. :drool: I took them out to Donner this morning and they worked awesome climbing, scrambling over bolders , hoping trees the works and they hauled ass. Not to mention that they are super light. I’m Stoked. I just looped shock cord around the tail strap and wrapped them around the rear clip. I can’t wait to check them out in some January Pow!!!! Check My TR at Donner 11/12. It was a November to remember for sure.

    P.S. the trimming didn’t affect how they climbed. I was worried too, but they are sick.

    #625241
    earthsurfing
    144 Posts

    I have to say-

    the lightness is great. The asym tips loops are key. The tail clips hold firm..

    But the skinless strip in the middle definitely compromises grip in the conditions I’ve been using these. (steep ascents in trackless blower pow).

    Perhaps in a packed skin track they’d be great, but for me the limit was just about the difference between the normal and the higher risers…

    normal (old style) risers they would hold. On a slope that I’d be using the new higher riser with I was literally skiing backwards at times. sketchy!

    I think the deeper sidecut of the board means you cut away more fur than BD intended.

    #625242
    buckchow
    356 Posts

    I’ve used the BD Ascension Nylon Split STS Skins for touring 10 days or so now. In case you missed it, these are skins that are unique, in that they do not have mohair across the full width of the skin. They look like this:
    http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/shop/ski/skins/ascension-nylon-split-sts
    The “split” in the name refers not to splitboarding, but rather to the way the skins are split in 3 sections. The nylon strip in the middle results in a much lighter skin (about 4 oz lighter per skin than my regular skins).

    They’ve been in a couple of steep, gnar skinning conditions, both pow and packed, and comparing them to my partners’ skinning performance, I think they are ALMOST as grippy as regular skins, but not quite, I’d call it like 95% as grippy. To me it’s barely noticeable. I however have not taken them on any super icey skintracks – people are reporting they are noticeably poorer in those conditions. Which makes sense, if a rounded, icy track forces your splitski to “high-center” on the non-sticky nylon center strip.

    I find that they do not glide as well on the flats as other skins. I’d say they glide about 75% as well. Which is not a big deal to me.

    Also, because each skin is made of 3 strips of sewn-together material, they are consequently a bit warped out of true plane, don’t lay perfectly flat when stuck to the base of your splitski, and hence “snow-up” on the gluey side a bit quicker than traditional skins that lie perfectly flat. Not a huge deal either.

    The nose clips are highly adjustable and work well for splitski tips. The tail clips do not work well but I don’t want them anyway so chop chop.

    I wish BD sized the stuff sack longer, so that the skins would fit when folded in quarters, like all my other skin stuff sacks.

    Are they worth the slightly degraded performance for the weight savings? Let’s argue about it! I’m going to keep using them.

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