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  • #569551
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    My local shop just told me they met with their Atomic Rep and thinking of me they ordered their “new” splitboards in three or four sizes. I’m honored they were thinking of me…but does anyone know of these boards? I looked at the web site with the shop’s board guru. It seems they are designed with ski tips at the tail of the joined board. To skin in you turn the tails forward and use the ski tips as the forward end and the split snowboard tip as the skinning tail. They are listed to retail with a voile kit, skins and I think crampons for somewhere in the $800 range. The sizes are something like 154 164 174. I don’t know the web site, but when visiting the atomicsnowboard site I found no splits. The end result of this rounded ski tips at the tail is a slight swallowtail notch. They looked pretty nifty if you are not into having a twin tip design. Any intel from those of you in the industry? Atomic make good skis, and if this price is right and they come with the kit, crampons and skins they just might be able to reach a market that some of the $1000 plus boards can’t.

    #601971
    Jogi
    158 Posts

    here I found this: http://www.erstespur.de/viewtopic.php?t=3742

    rumours are telling the board does not come voile-equipped!

    maybe we know more after the ispo at Munich/GER (worlds greatest international sports fair) end of january.

    #601972
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    The shop staff that I spoke with thought it came fully equipped, which is why I thought the price was attractive. I will post more when/if I see them in the shop and find out how much they are really letting them go for from a retail standpoint.

    Anyone got any recommendations on how to convince the shop or dealer to give me one to run through the rigors? bc rider seems to get every piece of gear thrown at him…has he seen one of these atomics or know how to go about getting one?

    #601973
    Jogi
    158 Posts

    @Mumbles wrote:

    The shop staff that I spoke with thought it came fully equipped, …

    as far as I know the board comes fully equipped – but not with voile-parts. it seems that atomic developed their own binding system … that increases curiosity! 😕

    #601974
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @Mumbles wrote:

    bc rider seems to get every piece of gear thrown at him…has he seen one of these atomics or know how to go about getting one?

    Skip college, sell your soul to become a pro snowboarder for a few years, get 40+ pictures published in snowboard mags, promote your sponsors, retire with an addiction to untracked snow, discover the splitboard, develop and invest in the best online resource for splitboards, and maybe you’ll get a board of two a year. 😉 🙄

    Re Atomic splitboards. No I haven’t seen one but there are definitely some rumors out there. Time will tell….

    #601975
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    I’ve heard from a very reliable source that yes Atomic is going into the splitboard biz with their own interface. I find it interesting as how they are going to not infringe on Voile’s patent. The yin yang hooks, and nose/tail clips are pretty hard to make unique imo. Then again who knows, they may have come up with something that has been under our noses the whole time.

    More info on the product should hit during or right after SIA in two weeks.

    #601976
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    Just curious, did your reliable source say it was ok for you to give specifics?

    Note to self, killclimbz cant keep a secret. 😉

    #601977
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    There is no such thing as secrets. I will hit the shop’s board guru on my next visit and get more details. He had a web site to look at, but I did not catch the address. I thought it would be at atomicsnowboards.com but it was not. I do know that they plan on having the snowboard tails turn around to be the skinning tips, but their interface, if it is not voile, will have to be more different than that to prevent patent infringement.

    #601978
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @Mumbles wrote:

    I do know that they plan on having the snowboard tails turn around to be the skinning tips

    Unless the tail height is larger than the tip height (which would be ridiculous) that doesn’t sound like a very good idea.

    #601979
    jack
    323 Posts

    i had an atomic solid a few years ago, it was a great board. i will probably buy another some day (after i get a few more never summers 😉 ). i would definitely be interested in a split.

    #601980
    Jogi
    158 Posts

    @Mumbles wrote:

    I do know that they plan on having the snowboard tails turn around to be the skinning tips, …

    this confirms what user “soulrider” posted on erstespur.de. he already had the chance to test the board on snow.

    – own split/hook/slider-system
    – can only be used with the delivered complete binding!!!
    – tail = tip in ski mode

    maybe I have the chance to visit the ispo at Munich end of the month. my first way will bring me to atomic! 😉

    #601981
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @Jogi wrote:

    – own split/hook/slider-system
    – can only be used with the delivered complete binding!!!
    – tail = tip in ski mode

    Am I the only one that is concerned how this is all going to shake down???

    As much as I’m excited to see another company enter the splitboard market it also has the potential to hurt the sport if they miss the mark. Back when Burton designed their own interface the sport was young. Now the sport is older and a botched design could take us backwards.

    Here are the things that concern me…

    An interface that requires you use their binding. This isn’t a bad thing if they totally nailed the design but otherwise if they didn’t, it could backfire and render the system useless. This would mean that Atomic would lose money on their investment which could have a negative effect on the growth of the sport.

    On the tail = tip thing, this also concerns me. As I stated in another post above, unless the tail height is higher than the tip height (which wouldn’t make any sense) it doesn’t sound like a good design. Just like on the descent, adequate tip height is critical on the ascent as well. Especially when breaking trail in deep powder. If they miss the mark again on this design philosophy, Atomic will either have a lot of angry customers of a lot of angry dealers with boards they cant sell.

    I guess the other things that baffles me is how much research and consultation Atomic has done or appears to haven’t done. Who were there designers and consultants? Did they consult the US and Euro market? I feel pretty confident that they’ve been reading our pages here but why not take it a step further and contact us to help make sure their design will succeed. Do they have the combined experience and knowledge that this site and members can provide?

    Sorry to be so doom and gloom, these are just my thoughts. I wish Atomic all the best………….I just hope they don’t botch it.

    #601982
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    BCRider may be spouting doom and gloom, but it is rightfully so. I have no idea what the exact specs are and maybe they are good with strong R&D behind them, but if so, that will be seen. I’m new to splitting, but not to riding. If they enter the market with a focus on economy and a bunch of riders go there for the savings and get disappointed the setback is truly there. Perhaps they will then have many converting their boards to volie kits or there will be buyers stuck with the boards.

    If they are reading this, they should take some of these boards and find the riders here with the best credibility and get them one to demo. A good demo can garner really good PR and a bad demo can get really readjusted R&D before going wide spread with a less than optimal product.

    I have not had a chance to get any more info from my local board shop, maybe I will give him a call and see if he will give me the e-mail or web site he showed me in his office.

    I’m intrigued by any new technology and opportunities, but I have been riding since ’87 and I have seen many come and gone designs that did not meet the needs of knowledgable riders. Atomic is well respected in the ski industry and their solid boards get good reviews. I’m hopeful that they have some sound R&D backing and a good test market where they took prototypes to those who would put them through field testing.

    More later if i can get more info. (I’m NO ONE, but if you are reading, I will DEMO one and put it through the rigors as best i can…)

    #601983
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    I did a patent and patent application search for snowboard inventions assigned to Atomic and I found nothing splitboard related. Is this thing really gonna be for sale in the US? I can’t imagine Voile would be that stoked on it because it seems like a patent infringement. Still – best to see how it shakes out. It could be a great innovation, I suppose. If it sucks, it prolly won’t be around for long. Voile has spent a long time building this market – I would be suprised if Atomic could make much impact with a lousy product in one year. I doubt retailers would take a risk on a whole new system unless it is clearly better or unless Atomic has enough juice to force retailers to carry it as part of their lineup of Atomic products.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #601984
    Mumbles
    753 Posts

    My snowboard shop guy told me he had a restricted view page, and not to dissemeneate it. He will know more after a show in February. He will also see if he can get a demo and will let me kick the tires. He indicated they would be targeting a next year release (this fall for the next snow season I think) The one thing he said when I talked patent and voile was that his source said that Atomic is part of the Amersports conglomerate, which is huge, has high powered attorneys and said bring it on with regard to patent infringement. I don’t know much about much, but this sounds like a fun to watch soap opera to be played out…but not while I’m on the gear.

    I ordered my Mojo, I’ll keep my burton custom split…and await the judges decison at the end of the 15th round.

    If I get any update from the board shop rep after the gear show in Feb I will post it here.

    #601985
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @Mumbles wrote:

    The one thing he said when I talked patent and voile was that his source said that Atomic is part of the Amersports conglomerate, which is huge, has high powered attorneys and said bring it on with regard to patent infringement.

    Wow – that’s gnarly. Well might does make right in the court of law so I hope Voile has a warchest. But Burton has paid licensing so that’s probably an advantage to Voile if they can ever get around to fighting it. I had no idea the splitboard market was so lucrative.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #601986
    InTheMountains
    216 Posts

    @SanFrantastico wrote:

    @Mumbles wrote:

    The one thing he said when I talked patent and voile was that his source said that Atomic is part of the Amersports conglomerate, which is huge, has high powered attorneys and said bring it on with regard to patent infringement.

    Wow – that’s gnarly.

    that’s not gnarly, that’s some ski/snowboard tech talkin’ shit, bfd

    edited cause i can’t spell fer shit…and it just looks cool when you edit a sarcastic comment

    #601987
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @InTheMountains wrote:

    That’s not gnarly, that’s some ski/snowboard tech talkin’ shit, bfd

    Yeah – excellent point, but if they are planning on selling splitboards in the US they either have licensed the technology from Voile or they are planning to challenge/infringe. Or maybe their technology is so novel it doesn’t require a license, but that doesn’t seem like the case since Atomic haven’t file a patent application.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #601988
    InTheMountains
    216 Posts

    from what i understand about US patent law, you need to have sold somehting in the US to patent it in the US.
    gary

    #601989
    Shep
    525 Posts

    I think it’s too early to make assumptions about whether they are infringing or not. From what little info is available, it’s clear they are planning something very different from what’s been put out there in the past. Maybe it’ll be great, and completely new, maybe not. We’ll see soon enough (hopefully at the OR show next week! 🙂 )

    Shep

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