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  • #602438
    Mumbles
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    stompow’s ideas seem valuable. What about a possible locking heel device to permit some non-yard sale skiing when going down one ridge to begin skinning up the next? Not a situation when you want to switch to board mode, but if i really wanted to be a free heel skiier, wouldn’t I be a tele not a split boarder? The overall height of the slider pucks and plates also could use some reduction, and while we are at it, why not have voile get some snowboard bindings and then find a way to make their slider plate more width compatible with many of those (a happy medium if you will). My AT boots are great on the mountian plates because my mtn plates are narrower than the slider plate, but when I attach the strap bindings they hang over terribly, this has to be an area of possible improvement (besides just with Will’s ignition baseplates and bindings). Hell, I’m new at this and seeing how many of you have done mods or made suggestions I can see exactly why Will embarked on his mission, and I’m sure that there is room for other such tweaks to make that which is good rise to the level of better.

    #602439
    Jogi
    Participant

    In another thread bcrider asked whether I could translate my thoughts (published on http://www.erstespur.de) about the Atomic Splitboard … Here they are. Please excuse my poor vocabulary and grammatical mistakes …

    On Munich’s ispo Atomic showed 4 copies of their new Splitboard “Poacherâ€

    #602440
    bcrider
    Participant

    Thanks for sharing your detailed thoughts Jogi! 8)

    #602441
    stomppow
    Participant

    I guess though, even with an interlocked V-notch sidewall design, you’d still want chinese hooks if anything just to allow you to semi-lock the two board halves in place while about to slide the voile/ignitions on the pucks, otherwise with no chinese hooks you’d have to hold the board halves in place while sliding on the first binding

    #602442
    stomppow
    Participant

    actually no cancel that, I bet with just the tip connectors alone you could click the 2 board halves together, and they would hold in place enough (within half a centimeter or whatever) so that as you slide on the binding the skis will align themselves perfectly. This would especially be the case with the V-notches working with the tip connectors, both because they would torsionally support the binding-less board and because the camber of the board would prevent the skis from sliding relative to each other very much

    With V-notched ski halves you could lose chinese hooks and have a better ride

    I think a heel lock for ski mode would be great. I am happy in tele-mode most of the time… but there are times, especially on traverses, where I wish I had a lock out, and those times tend to be the most dangerous or the most tiring of all where a heel lock would be so beneficial

    #602443
    HikeforTurns
    Participant

    with the v notches, what about ice building up on it while in ski mode, anything more to scrape on these things is a major pita in my opinion. Less scraping = better.

    Seems like a v side wall would be hard to build as well as not as durable?

    #602444
    Mumbles
    Participant

    Now there are some great creative juices flowing still in this thread even after five pages.

    About the V notch in the middle of the board…what it it was somehow made of the edge material, would the metal deaden the flex entirely, or could it be made so that it still would flex uniformly. It may make the board a stiffer level of flex, but would that flex be tolerable in ride mode? If it were possible to make the male and female portions of the V of edge material then it might collect less ice, and what ice would collect may scrap away easier than if it were some resin laden material.

    Atomic’s missed the boat in one easy way with regard to those heel riser wires/interface locks. They should make it such that once opened the interface lock merely locks into its own side so as not to flap around in skin mode. They should make the lock block of a more durable material, especially if they think I’m supposed to be hacking on it with a freaking crampon. They should make a separate heel riser that at least, like the voile version, has a section of aquarium clear tubing to serve to protect the topsheet, although not having anything similar to voile’s or burton’s plastic climbing wire base really seems like a design that will only last a while…making the price point more important because you would eventually pound a hole through the freaking board.

    I’m sure I could use a pair of window sash locks for the curve area of the board, a couple of door latch hooks and eye bolts for the tip and tail and get more durability than the plastic deal from atomic.

    I’d still be happy to ride the hell out of one and take my trusty crampon to it a few times each trip if they wanted me to demo…as in demolish it. The more I think of it I’m surprised they did not come up with a ski binding that can be set to ride angles and mount them…then mount a second set for skinning…then sell you some four buckle five pound hard boots all as a package deal for a grand.

    #602445
    Camgina
    Participant

    i think the v notch is a good idea, but i think that the male edge with provide leverage to pry against the female and increase delams.

    #602446
    Ecobrad
    Participant

    I like it when my male edge presses against the female V-notch.

    #602447
    jimw
    Participant

    For the complaints people had about the Burton system, it was way more functional than this Atomic system appears…

    #602448
    SanFrantastico
    Participant

    @Ecobrad wrote:

    I like it when my male edge presses against the female V-notch.

    Ha! 😀

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #602449
    SRA
    Participant

    Another video:
    http://www.biglines.com/blarticles/3891/Atomic_Snowboards-_SIA_Splitboard_Video

    A terrible amount of BS comes out of the reps mouth.

    “No extra pieces, everything is connected”. I had to replay the video to make sure I really heard that correctly.

    I was hoping to see how the the crampon attaches to the binding. In this demo it appears to be magic, but I sense that guy doesn’t know how it works.

    He really trys to sell the backwards skiing as a major advantage. It was hard to listen to.

    #602450
    Unruly Baker
    Participant

    @SRA wrote:

    Another video:
    http://www.biglines.com/blarticles/3891/Atomic_Snowboards-_SIA_Splitboard_Video

    A terrible amount of BS comes out of the reps mouth.

    “No extra pieces, everything is connected”. I had to replay the video to make sure I really heard that correctly.

    I was hoping to see how the the crampon attaches to the binding. In this demo it appears to be magic, but I sense that guy doesn’t know how it works.

    He really trys to sell the backwards skiing as a major advantage. It was hard to listen to.

    😆 Funny, the mystery guest in the video I linked to was way more proficient at transforming the Atomic split than the Atomic rep. 😆 😆

    What’s the old saying? “Keeping your mouth shut may let people think you are stupid, but saying something can confirm it” or something like that….. Atomic Rep should have definitely kept quiet.

    Good luck Atomic.

    UB

    #602451
    Stagger Lee
    Participant

    I just can’t come up with anything positive to say about Atomic’s split system. I may sound like a d!ck but I still think this system looks like a real POS PITA. It seems to me that this rep guy is NOT a splitboarder and just doesn’t realize how retarded this system really is.

    A buddy and I have tooled around on paper trying to come up with a fresh new system but everything so far is basically an unintentional rip off of the Voile/Will’s binding system.

    #602452
    splitboard.com
    Keymaster

    I tested the Atomic Splitboard for couple of days and I must say it works out well. Befor I had tested a Voile / Burton splitboard and ther are many points wheer I must say the Atomic Splitboard is way better.
    1. the power transmition during hicking is perfect because the lockingpart and the basepalet is out of one part and tehr is not adaptaplate between.
    2. the system is way ligther than then the voile system
    3. the interface system works under all kind of snow conditions I use them by -15° degrees on the mountain, it was no problem to transform from climbing skies to a board.
    4. the tips for hicking up are perfect it works like a normal ski tip.
    5. it s a perfect matching system with all parts you need on the mountain.

    The Atomic Splitboard is a very good product, nice work from Atomic

    #602453
    Mumbles
    Participant

    Would the mystery poster please sign in? Sounds like someone from Atomic has found their way to the site. Sorry for being skeptical, but the raving review is inconsistent with what others think and some of those have acually had their hands on one of the atomic splitters. You may be the first to actually ride it, so give us your relationship or affiliation / lack thereof to Atomic and give us more details.

    Personally I want to believe so that there is a new category of innovation and options, but as this thread indicates there are many performance and legal copyright infringement concerns.

    Thanks for the update, now who are you and who do you work for? How long have you been on splitboard.com, etc.

    #602454
    splitboard.com
    Keymaster

    Mr. Mystery is from Switzerland and I run a boardstore there ,we had splitboards in our productline.I am using splitboards by myself now more than 5 years, first the Burton S- Series and after the Voile and now the Atomic.

    Concerning how long I am on Splitboards.com, it´s my first time and the reason why I reply on that topic is because it seems no one of you guys have tested the product onsnow and i wonna tell you guys my experience on that one.

    After the Ispo in Munich I was very interested in this product and get in touch with the rep from Swiss and he explain me the system and why they design thing like they are and it makes sens for me.
    I agree with you guys that the system looks differnt to every other system which is out there at the monent, but it works well.

    #602455
    Mumbles
    Participant

    Well, that is good to hear. One would wonder if you were in Atomic’s pocket after such a critical thread of concerns and then your quite positive review. My local board shop indicates they are getting one in each size, I likely will get my hands on one of them and get them on snow, but that won’t be for some time into the fall.

    The video changeover looks rather complicated, do you believe that it is simpler in design than the voile? Less mechanical than burton and lighter and simpler than voile could be good, but I’m not so sure.

    #602456
    182 Surf de neige
    Participant

    What we all really need is for Atomic, Voile , Venture, and Prior to do a demo day at Kirkwood, when it dumps like 30 inches…………….and we could all be happy.

    #602457
    Killclimbz
    Participant

    I never got to take it on snow, but messed around with the change over. It is more complicated and you have parts that you can drop and lose in deep snow. There isn’t really in stance width adjustments to speak of either. It is solid though. Durability shouldn’t be much of an issue with it.

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