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- April 2, 2010 at 5:04 pm #626845dimension4Participant
this was an awesome TRMay 10, 2010 at 2:12 am #626846Ak_PrideParticipant
Hey, strong work, I’ve never made it up to the brooks range. What do you think about riding up there this time of year? I’ve heard that the snow is usually really not too suitable for skiing, ie depth hoar or isothermal to the ground. I have this week off from work and looks like theres going to be weather most of the week after today for southcentral. Too bad I couldn’t put in for time off in coordination with weather windows, oh well. If the weather looks better up there though I might think about taking a road trip up that way. Also I was working in hurricane last week and stuff looks pretty damn good up there still, in terms of north facing coverage anyways. After next week I will be working in healy for the rest of the summer if your interested in riding around the park/hurricane/cantwell still. peaceJuly 4, 2010 at 10:32 pm #626847SchralphMacchioParticipant
4th of July bump for an AK epic
(and in case you are wondering why all the threads on page 1 are bumped by me it’s because I’m at home gimped with nother better to do on Independence Day!)December 12, 2013 at 5:48 am #626848
I’m going to bring this up from the depths to ask:
Where in Anuktuvak is this?
December 17, 2013 at 3:24 am #626849
ridealaska; I have been to Anaktuvuk and flown around there some checking things out. There would be a ton of terrain to access from there if the snow was right. But the line you are interested in can be accessed by car. It is between Coldfoot and Atigun Pass on the Haul Road – east side. It would be easily approachable from the road. I almost went after it once. Let me know if you ride it.
And thanks for bringing this ‘up from the depths’ :thumpsup:December 17, 2013 at 7:09 pm #626850
Oh right I got Anaktuvak and Atigun mixed up, my bad. I have not ventured up the haul road that far yet and from the pictures I’ve seen didn’t think there would be that many trees up towards the pass. That line might be a good cause to make my way up there thoughDecember 17, 2013 at 11:46 pm #626851acopafeelParticipant
Absolutely fantastic. I love seeing these epic TRs, from before my time on SB.com
Snowsavage, I’m curious about your comments on wild game fats. Any further “testing” with that??December 18, 2013 at 3:41 am #626852
I just noticed that I neglected to respond to AK Pride’s question/comments on this topic way back in 2010, so this is all related to what ridealaska is commenting on:
My view is that the Brooks has absolutely phenomenal terrain and is well worth the visit just for the tour of the land – nevertheless, you’ll be hard pressed to find good snow – it’ll either be facets with no base, windpack/breakable crust with facets underneath it – facets that could be sitting on a slick layer of old hard snow, or springtime wet snow sitting on top of colder facets, which just wants to break right off. At least that is my experience trying to ride in the Brooks. If you search for it you can find a TR on here where I tried riding Atigun Pass during May and started a huge wet slab a few turns into a steep line – it was super fun and beautiful to be out there but I would call it survival riding rather than epic turns. I think some folks have found better skiing snow in the Brooks at higher elevation-glaciated locations like Mt. Chamberlin etc. But you gotta fly into that stuff.
Regarding tree skiing in the Brooks Range – that is definitely a possibility. You’ll probably be riding facets that fall apart all around you, but there are trees. I have scoped tree skiing possibilities around Wiseman (which is near the couloir ridealaska is interested in) and I have some photos I took from the air, which I can try to dig up, of pretty nice looking treed terrain somewhere in the southern Brooks between the Koyukuk River and Anuktuvuk Pass. When I used to live in Fairbanks, 24″ inches of facets in the trees was all I had and I had a decent boreal forest tree spot off the Elliot Hwy in the Whites (I have a Boreal Forest tree skiing TR somewhere on this site as well). That interior arctic snow is rarely epic but it still makes for fun snowboarding adventures if you got the motivation.
acopafeel: no further testing specific to animal fat fending off frostbite – but plenty of experimentation with trying to use animal fat as a primary fuel for winter travel, as opposed to sugar (which is basically what fuels 99.9% of bc skiers’ bodies). I have had some very good results with that – tons of energy and less hungry than my counterparts throughout the day. Come to think of it, I have also been less cold. I am absolutely positive that there are benefits to getting on a Ketogenic diet, not just for snow travel, but for life in general. That is a big subject best not to broach here but you can research it. There is tons out there now on the benefits of paleolithic nutrition. I have my days, however, where I need to binge on glucose, so I am still trying to figure it for myself. Allie, the Hatcher’s Pass avi forecaster, lives almost entirely on wild animal fat and protein and she charges hard all day with no problems at all. She was even telling me that she used to guide on Denali on a purely ketogenic diet, which is mind blowing to me. I think the bottom line is that 40,000 years of human caribou hunting and fat consumption as primary fuel in the far north is evidence that there is something going on there – but our problem is that we moderns are so adapted to sugar instead of fat as fuel we will probably never know the actual benefits of living on a purely ketogenic diet in the Arctic –December 18, 2013 at 3:54 am #626853q-tipParticipant
Awesome TR! You should go to china, apparently people have been ski-hunting there for thousands of years:
They lasso the elk, and get dragged down deep snow till the animal tires. Not to say that you’re trip wasn’t impressive haha.December 18, 2013 at 5:08 am #626854
I might enjoy some beta on this tree skiing off of the Elliot you speak of, if you don’t mind of courseDecember 19, 2013 at 3:43 am #626855
q-tip – thanks for the link. There is a movie documentary out there called “Timeless Skiers of the Altai”, which everyone should check out.
I think its apparent that hunter-gatherer’s invented skis tens of thousands of years ago (I am even willing to speculate that Erectus/Neanderthals used some type of snow sliding technology hundreds of thousands of years ago). Hunters also invented skins. It is well known that Yukghagir hunters from Siberia attach moose leg skins to their skis to gain uphill traction. I believe the Sami did as well, and I am sure there are other examples.
My splitboard hunting practice is 100% influenced by the Old Way – not only to hunt on skis but also with a recognition that a great percentage of humans have been caribou hunters by necessity. If you are of European descent your ancestors were caribou hunters – 50,000 years ago the first Sapien inhabitants of ice-age Europe had to be caribou hunters to survive and the great herds of caribou ranged all the way into Spain. Hunting caribou in the snow is deep within our blood and our genes, and I suspect skiing in some form is as well, as a result. So this history defines my purpose for going out there – to taste what life for the majority of our species history on the planet might feel like – for a moment.
In reality – powder riding is only a replacement for an original wholeness and connectivity that is now lost as a result of the all engulfing pseudo ‘connectivity’ associated with the global techno-civilization and its empire of social and ecological dominance.
ridealaska; I tried to find that TR on Fairbanks tree riding and it seems to be gone. I will try to post those photos up here sometime when I get a chance. I did find the Atigun Pass TR viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9020 – I am not technology inclined so hopefully that link works? If not search for it under “Above the Arctic Circle” and you’ll find it.
Here is the quick beta on Elliot – Grapefruit Rocks has decent open lanes through the trees on both its south and west aspects – the trick is finding good snow. Moose has some stellar birch tree moments if you know where to look – for a few turns you might even feel like you are in Hokkaido or something. Also there are a couple of dope log slides/rides that I know of there. If they get enough snow it can be quite a treat -if u dig tight trees that is.December 19, 2013 at 3:32 pm #626856ZudeParticipant
I have Zero respect for many hunters in AZ, many drive along roads until they see somthing then jump out and start blasting. Many seem to think it’s manley to kill without feeling any remorse or feelings at all (I grew up with guys like this).
What you describe here i have respect for.. for what thats worth 😉
Incredible report!December 22, 2013 at 1:57 am #626857
Zude- thanks for your comment. I am with you. The dominant modern amerikkkan hunting culture out there is a real problem. Did you know that those f**krs are now starting use aerial drones for hunting in some places now? Shady business.
The place where I killed this caribou does not allow motorized access and rifle hunting is not allowed within 5 miles of the road corridor. Thus – you gotta travel 5 miles on foot or with a dog team if you want to hunt there. This situation forces people to actually learn how to hunt by having a relationship with their minds, bodies, the animals, and the land. For 5 miles I was passing through herds of caribou on my split until I shot one- thus a situation completely antithetical to the one you described.
I could go on a long diatribe about this. There is a lot to be said on the subject. But I’ll try to sum up my hunting philosophy with the following dialogue taken from a movie about local food sustainability called eating “Eating Alaska”;
Q; do you feel glad about killing for a living?
A; Im a hunter-gatherer.
Q; but your also, like, a hippy-environmentalist. How can you be both?
A; I dont think its possible not to be both unless your just ignorant about where food comes from.
Ponder that.December 28, 2013 at 4:15 pm #626858SPLITRIPPINParticipant
but plenty of experimentation with trying to use animal fat as a primary fuel for winter travel, as opposed to sugar (which is basically what fuels 99.9% of bc skiers’ bodies). I have had some very good results with that – tons of energy and less hungry than my counterparts throughout the day. Come to think of it, I have also been less cold.
JVL….I will second that…biiiiig time. I was out some years ago riding with split.therapy in ID. For 2 weeks I’d show up at his place in the morning…eat 4 eggs, alot of bacon, and half an avocado, and finish that off with an orange.
It took about 30 mins before you could feel the muscles just cycle up….I felt pretty damn strong all day. split.therapy wouldn’t eat til he got home…and this dude was fighting weight 275#.
Looking forward to doing the Paleo switch as well here soon. I may do grains in the future, but only ones that I grow, and grind myself.January 12, 2014 at 7:11 pm #626859bcriderParticipant
Always inspiring JVL! :thatrocks:
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