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  • #579892
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    At a reasonable cost…

    In other words, if I could build/buy my own press and acquire the minimum tools for three or four times the cost of a custom board, its not reasonable IMO.

    And by custom I mean no one makes anything quite like it…

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #676189
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    I can build anything you want if you are interested.

    #676190
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    What do you consider reasonable? The guys from Wagner custom will do anything you want, but if you want, for example, a custom rocker/camber profile, it is going to cost a lot.

    #676191
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    @BobGnarly wrote:

    I can build anything you want if you are interested.

    Yes he will :thumpsup: :thumpsup: :thumpsup:

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
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    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #676192
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    Talk to me about what you want. It might be easy or it might be a lot of work depending on what you want.
    Shoot me a pm with facebook details if you have it, its easier to chat there

    #676193
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    Thanks Bob! I’ll PM you this W/E with details, FB info, etc…
    In a nutshell, if your blunt nosed and swallowtail boards merged with Adam’s large radii board it would be fairly close to my design.
    The specs are an amalgamation of a Winterstick Swallow, Voile V-Tail and Gentem Mantaray.

    Barrows, my idea of reasonable is…

    if I could build/buy my own press and acquire the minimum tools for three or four times the cost of a custom board, its not reasonable IMO.

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #676194
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Snurfer: got it, if you are handy and willing to do a lot of work, building a press can probably get done for $500 or so.
    Of course if you want to be able to profile your own cores, and try lots of different flexes, you really need a CNC core profiler, I do not know what that costs, but it must be kind of spendy!
    I wonder if a board building coop is the way to go: get together with 20 people and share costs, then build all the unique boards one would want (skis as well).

    #676195
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    Barrows good points. I fully agree, a coop would be fantastic.
    I’ve attempted to build rapport with a few builders to eventually float the idea, but most are so busy they can’t even pause to have a conversation, much less build any sort of rapport with a kook like me.
    As far as cores are concerned, I’d love to experiment; not so much from a performance/tech standpoint, but rather from a soul/eco point of view (think of the Taro segment in signatures). That said, I’m not hell bent on a particular core material for this project. Same goes for profiles, I’m reasonably content with run of the mill camber that allows me to deform the profile in a way I’m accustom too.

    Where I’m really wanting to deviate from whats ‘safe’ is end shapes, nose height, radii and widths. And like many long-ish board enthusiasts I could care less about riding switch.

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #676196
    aliasptr
    282 Posts

    @snufer wrote:

    At a reasonable cost…

    In other words, if I could build/buy my own press and acquire the minimum tools for three or four times the cost of a custom board, its not reasonable IMO.

    And by custom I mean no one makes anything quite like it…

    Oz snowboards might do full customs but I’m not sure.

    @barrows wrote:

    Snurfer: got it, if you are handy and willing to do a lot of work, building a press can probably get done for $500 or so.
    Of course if you want to be able to profile your own cores, and try lots of different flexes, you really need a CNC core profiler, I do not know what that costs, but it must be kind of spendy!
    I wonder if a board building coop is the way to go: get together with 20 people and share costs, then build all the unique boards one would want (skis as well).

    I would love to be part of this!

    I am slowly building my own press and tooling as a hobby since I already tried to make a business out of it with some people but it didn’t work out for me. Lucky for me though I spent other people’s money to learn the process for building and designing skis and boards.

    Since this was intended for a production press the electrical was expensive and very well appointed.

    The heat blankets were beasts! As the press was made to accommodate up to 220 cm long and fat skis. I also wanted to be sure I could try to make a Rad Air Tanker 200 style board. The blankets are 220 V at 20 A each so about 9 kW of heating power!

    Not many ski press and sublimation (for topsheet graphics) construction pictures, nor many wood working photos.

    Gotta do some serious computer work to get all the shape templates, molds and woodworking stuff sorted out. Making sure the core construction works for the shape.

    Core made of poplar and ash stringers with locust sidewalls complete with insert counterbores

    Plastic tip and tail material attached, this was something that always proved tricky and I never got to refine the process of.

    We had Crown Plastics Durasurf 4001 Sintered base but this is extruded 2001 base. Routed base with edges being attached

    Layup- 22 oz triaxial weave fiberglass sandwich with an in house sublimated PBT topsheet.

    Finished board out of the ugly, press. I am glad to have left that piece of shit, the next one I build will be much improved.

    All mounted up and ready to ride!

    In a couple weekends I’ll have most of the steel for the press frame.

    All the wood working equipment will be a little slower to come but I will keep you all updated on my progress. If anyone’s interested about the process feel free to PM.

    #676197
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @Snurfer wrote:

    Thanks Bob! I’ll PM you this W/E with details, FB info, etc…
    In a nutshell, if your blunt nosed and swallowtail boards merged with Adam’s large radii board it would be fairly close to my design.
    The specs are an amalgamation of a Winterstick Swallow, Voile V-Tail and Gentem Mantaray.

    Barrows, my idea of reasonable is…

    if I could build/buy my own press and acquire the minimum tools for three or four times the cost of a custom board, its not reasonable IMO.

    That sounds easy enough.
    Shape is easy, any shape can be made without too much drama. Profile is where the work is if you want something funky. I can do camber, rocker, or camber with rockrr between the feet using my existing moulds in any length you want any any width up to 320mm. My largest sidecut template is 18m.

    If what you want falls within those specs somewhere I would consider it not too hard to build.

    #676198
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    Damn aliasptr, cool stuff!

    Bob, my design goes out to about 34cm at the nose, same as the Winterstick swally 🙁

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #676199
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    My isospeed 7200 base material is 32cm wide. I can press up to 34cm but the base would have to have the parts wider than 32cm joined on like a die cut base

    #676200
    Taylor
    797 Posts

    Bob how customizable are your profiles? And can’t you do one base segment per ski to accommodate a 34 cm shovel (which I have and love).

    @sun_rocket

    #676201
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @Taylor wrote:

    Bob how customizable are your profiles? And can’t you do one base segment per ski to accommodate a 34 cm shovel (which I have and love).

    I can build anything but without building a complete new top and bottom mould rocker, camber or crc is what I can do. I use a very gradual rocker nose mould and a more conventional tail mould (similar to most mass produced powder boards nose profile).

    And yes you could do the base without joins by using a double length of base material. Brain meltdown here lol.

    #676202
    Taylor
    797 Posts

    Please keep me abreast of this design, guys. I may want in.

    Also, I am intrigued at the idea of a coop to enable design advancement; could one be made from builders and buyers on this forum?

    I’d be in.

    @sun_rocket

    #676203
    Scooby2
    623 Posts

    Bob Gnarly,

    I’ve had success at taking a 2 meter length of base material, cutting out the base for one half of a split (lining up the straight outer edge of base material near the straight side of the pattern for the inside edge of the split half, then spin the remaining base material 180 and router out the other half of the split to get 34 cm or more width than the standard base material comes in. If your taper is sufficient it allows you to not have to use twice the base material for wide nose boards. But I guess it might not be that big of a deal since you can get base material now without big minimum orders.

    Alias-there’s nothing wrong with that press for custom work, no need to go overboard for a few boards a year or a board each season. In fact if it deflects evenly on each half (above and below) which it looks like it more or less would, it should produce good results as long as you base is flat edge to edge or close enough to be flattened by its base grind.

    #676204
    aliasptr
    282 Posts

    @Scooby2 wrote:

    Bob Gnarly,
    Alias-there’s nothing wrong with that press for custom work, no need to go overboard for a few boards a year or a board each season. In fact if it deflects evenly on each half (above and below) which it looks like it more or less would, it should produce good results as long as you base is flat edge to edge or close enough to be flattened by its base grind.

    Base flatness was a a big problem no matter how much grinding you did. Personality clashes mixed with the ever present timeline and budget constraints pushed a very poor design and execution of the mold cavity. The deflection was inconsistent causing many varied high a low spots.

    We also had low mold pressure where any small(ish) radii profile bends occurred. This was because of the way we designed our molds for our press cavity and the way the pneumatic bladder (fire hose) engaged the molds.

    The people currently running the company claimed they fixed many of these issues but I was pretty uninvolved at that point.

    The thing that is good for me now is that I back home and have access to the proper tools and materials to make a very good press relatively inexpensively.

    I’m excited for a fresh start on my own terms!

    #676205
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @Scooby2 wrote:

    Bob Gnarly,

    I’ve had success at taking a 2 meter length of base material, cutting out the base for one half of a split (lining up the straight outer edge of base material near the straight side of the pattern for the inside edge of the split half, then spin the remaining base material 180 and router out the other half of the split to get 34 cm or more width than the standard base material comes in. If your taper is sufficient it allows you to not have to use twice the base material for wide nose boards. But I guess it might not be that big of a deal since you can get base material now without big minimum orders.

    Alias-there’s nothing wrong with that press for custom work, no need to go overboard for a few boards a year or a board each season. In fact if it deflects evenly on each half (above and below) which it looks like it more or less would, it should produce good results as long as you base is flat edge to edge or close enough to be flattened by its base grind.

    Yeah i think it will take about 1.5 times the length of the board in base material to cut this shape. Its behemoth wide lol

    #676206
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @aliasptr wrote:

    @Scooby2 wrote:

    Bob Gnarly,
    Alias-there’s nothing wrong with that press for custom work, no need to go overboard for a few boards a year or a board each season. In fact if it deflects evenly on each half (above and below) which it looks like it more or less would, it should produce good results as long as you base is flat edge to edge or close enough to be flattened by its base grind.

    Base flatness was a a big problem no matter how much grinding you did. Personality clashes mixed with the ever present timeline and budget constraints pushed a very poor design and execution of the mold cavity. The deflection was inconsistent causing many varied high a low spots.

    We also had low mold pressure where any small(ish) radii profile bends occurred. This was because of the way we designed our molds for our press cavity and the way the pneumatic bladder (fire hose) engaged the molds.

    The people currently running the company claimed they fixed many of these issues but I was pretty uninvolved at that point.

    The thing that is good for me now is that I back home and have access to the proper tools and materials to make a very good press relatively inexpensively.

    I’m excited for a fresh start on my own terms!

    I have learned in my 2 and a bit years of board building that you always have to be willing to scrap it all to make improvements.
    Once you work out how to fix a certain problem you cant get in the mindset of “Ive put too much time and money into this to throw it all away”. That just results in more heart break as you continue to make the same mistakes.

    My results are very good now, but it wasnt always the way and Ive got a lot of scrapped moulds and wall art boards lol

    #676207
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @BobGnarly wrote:

    @aliasptr wrote:

    @Scooby2 wrote:

    Bob Gnarly,
    Alias-there’s nothing wrong with that press for custom work, no need to go overboard for a few boards a year or a board each season. In fact if it deflects evenly on each half (above and below) which it looks like it more or less would, it should produce good results as long as you base is flat edge to edge or close enough to be flattened by its base grind.

    Base flatness was a a big problem no matter how much grinding you did. Personality clashes mixed with the ever present timeline and budget constraints pushed a very poor design and execution of the mold cavity. The deflection was inconsistent causing many varied high a low spots.

    We also had low mold pressure where any small(ish) radii profile bends occurred. This was because of the way we designed our molds for our press cavity and the way the pneumatic bladder (fire hose) engaged the molds.

    The people currently running the company claimed they fixed many of these issues but I was pretty uninvolved at that point.

    The thing that is good for me now is that I back home and have access to the proper tools and materials to make a very good press relatively inexpensively.

    I’m excited for a fresh start on my own terms!

    I have learned in my 2 and a bit years of board building that you always have to be willing to scrap it all to make improvements.
    Once you work out how to fix a certain problem you cant get in the mindset of “Ive put too much time and money into this to throw it all away”. That just results in more heart break as you continue to make the same mistakes.

    My results are very good now, but it wasnt always the way and Ive got a lot of scrapped moulds and wall art boards lol, Ive also built some of the best boards I have ever ridden. The rewards are definately there if you try hard enough

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