Zach.

Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.
Pulling your rope through a sling will not burn the rope.

The rope is moving. The sling is not.

If you were half as badass as you like to say you are, you’d know this. I’ve rapped off many, many slings, and THE ROPE DOES NOT GET HURT!!!

You really think that pulling a rope through a nylon sling will hurt the rope, whereas pulling the rope over a sharp granite edge will not? PLEASE.

Geeeeeez. 😯

I read the whole thread.

Go climb some more ‘scary, desperate shit’. 🙄

ALL RIGHT, all you damn surly SKIERS, go on git out of our fine little ‘stablishment now, y’hear!

Zach, my point with that paragraph was that risk assessment is prerequisite to risk management. We’re arguing about something that isn’t a risk factor at all. But I think I’m gonna go for a walk now, then pump some iron.

Pump it, baby!

@skykilo wrote:

Zach, my point with that paragraph was that risk assessment is prerequisite to risk management. We’re arguing about something that isn’t a risk factor at all. But I think I’m gonna go for a walk now, then pump some iron.

Pump it, baby!

Damnit.. now I feel not only scorned but fat… My weights have been collecting dust for a few months.

Summary so far:

dude – “Should I worry about this fairly insignificant detail?”

Zach – “YOU’RE GONNA DIE!”

skykilo – “But I’m not dead…? Also, look my cool badass photos.”

Zach – “STFU skier!”

dishw dave – “Dudes, were talking about dyneema…”

skykilo – “I love you long time for $12.57.”

….

Zach – “I really haven’t said enough already.”

skykilo – “I have better ways of killing myself than rapping off of slings.”

pbelitz – “I am capable of writing an unoffensive post.”

skykilo – “Hey look I have more cool badass photos for you to look at.”

Zach – “I can post badass too.”

pbelitz – “But this is how I usually post.”

Zach – -slap-

pbelitz – -slap-

Zach – “Did I mention that I have the last word again?”

skykilo – “Actually, I’m a pretty nice guy.”

Zach – “Yeah me too.”

pbelitz – “But I’m not! 😈 “
………….

@Zach wrote:

OK… so, point out to me where I said that pulling a rope through standard, nylon webbing would burn the rope.

Right here:

I just wonder, why on earth would you NOT worry about friction burn on the sheath of your rope?

And, I’m pretty confident that I can back up my assessment of some of the climbing that I’ve done..even though I don’t spend a lot of time dick-waving around here to substantiate it.

Zach

Yeah, me too. What’s your point?

IceBat, as you can see from this post, the internet is a poor place to get technical information from. As for your original question, the strength of a rope is proportional to the diameter of the edge it’s loaded over. A spectra sling, being skinning will weaken the rope more than a phat carabiner or a wide nylon sling. Enough that you can’t rap off it in an emergency? No. But I’d use 1/2 inch webbing or 6mm cord for raps, it’s cheaper, and you can safely tie knots. Not true for Spectra.

I highly doubt that Spectra slings can ‘cut’ through a rope in a static situation.

The illustration that you reference from FOTH is representative of 99% of the raps I’ve made in the mountains. It’ll work just fine, spectra or no.

Remember, Spectra has a very low melting point, and offers very little friction. Therefore, you can’t tie a safe knot in a spectra sling, and you can’t use spectra as a prussik or autoblock.

I’d recommend John Long’s ‘How to Climb’ series for excellent, modern, and extensive technical information.

Nice website, too!

Paul

@pbelitz wrote:

@Zach wrote:

OK… so, point out to me where I said that pulling a rope through standard, nylon webbing would burn the rope.

Right here:

I just wonder, why on earth would you NOT worry about friction burn on the sheath of your rope?

And, I’m pretty confident that I can back up my assessment of some of the climbing that I’ve done..even though I don’t spend a lot of time dick-waving around here to substantiate it.

Zach

Yeah, me too. What’s your point?

IceBat, as you can see from this post, the internet is a poor place to get technical information from. As for your original question, the strength of a rope is proportional to the diameter of the edge it’s loaded over. A spectra sling, being skinning will weaken the rope more than a phat carabiner or a wide nylon sling. Enough that you can’t rap off it in an emergency? No. But I’d use 1/2 inch webbing or 6mm cord for raps, it’s cheaper, and you can safely tie knots. Not true for Spectra.

I highly doubt that Spectra slings can ‘cut’ through a rope in a static situation.

The illustration that you reference from FOTH is representative of 99% of the raps I’ve made in the mountains. It’ll work just fine, spectra or no.

Remember, Spectra has a very low melting point, and offers very little friction. Therefore, you can’t tie a safe knot in a spectra sling, and you can’t use spectra as a prussik or autoblock.

I’d recommend John Long’s ‘How to Climb’ series for excellent, modern, and extensive technical information.

Nice website, too!

Paul

Are you seriously that much of a dolt? Soooo… Sky said he doesn’t worry about friction burn on his rope, I ask him why not, and you extrapolate that to mean that I stated nylon webbing will burn through a rope when used as a static point?

And, suddenly your accusation that I’m posing just doesn’t matter???

Here’s the thing – disagreeing is fine. debate is good. But, jumping to personal attacks, especially in an anonymous forum, is weak bullshit.

As far as I could tell, this was a legitimately interesting conversation, until you and “HuFfer” decided that it was necessary to jump in and tell us all how wonderful you both are and how stupid that makes the rest of us.

Zach

I’m bored.

Zach, maybe you have vastly different opinions on what is ‘safe’ in standard climbing procedure compared to me and all the people I’ve ever climbed with. Either that, or you have a hard time explaining what the hell you actually mean via a written medium. Whatever.

And, suddenly your accusation that I’m posing just doesn’t matter???

Don’t get too excited, you’re the one who brought up your abilities. I try not to, since some people are very strong yet do stupid things. Looks at me, I generally suck and I still do stupid things!

Here’s the thing – disagreeing is fine. debate is good. But, jumping to personal attacks, especially in an anonymous forum, is weak bullshit.

Pot? Kettle? Hmm, lessee, pbelitz and I sign my post as ‘Paul’. C’mon, you can do better than that.

Yes, I do have sponsors. And, I have them because I try to snowboard things that are out of most people’s range.

Oh, please, please, don’t go there.

Does that make me any better than anyone around here? Nope. In fact, I ride with a number of the guys from this forum, and most of them are far more gifted snowboarders than I am.

Very good. So why bring up ability in the first place??

I can understand, now, why all of the “pro” snowboarders and skiers that I’ve asked to participate in this forum and ours, over at Couloir won’t do it. Seems like there are a number of people on these forums to immature to deal with disagreements… and, inevitably, they lash out at your abilities or accomplishments.

See, maybe you’re not aware of it, but posting something like this sounds very much like you’re comparing yourself to the alleged badasses that won’t post. Comes across as pretty snobbish.

Cheers,

🙂 Paul Belitz 🙂