Forums Trip Reports A Hard Winter: Reflections from Montana Viewing 18 posts - 1 through 18 (of 18 total)Author Posts March 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm #576596 nomad 288 PostsThis TR is dedicated to Steve Romeo and Chris Onufer, for living life and putting yourself out there for all to see.This winter has been the most challenging, yet insightful, season that I’ve ever experienced for splitboarding. I am by no means any sort of guru, wise man, or expert, but I’d like to think that I’ve learned something from the years that I’ve spent in the backcountry – observing, making mistakes and adapting. Most of all, I hope I have learned how to be a beginner, throwing out all of those accumulated experiences that so often cloud judgement and skew perceptions. I’ve been struggling, yet thriving; holding back, yet pushing forward, and for this tumultuous experience I have nothing to thank except for this crappy winter.I’m still struggling to process Steve’s death, and each time I think about it I instantly feel a weight in the pit of my stomach, heavy and mute. I have no desire to critique what happened that day or analyze the endless possibilities of the snowpack, route, or other factors. All I can do is to turn my thoughts inward, and examine my own decision-making, motivations and ways of dealing with the inherent risks of backcountry travel. I respect how, in his own way, Steve performed this introspection in a public forum, being fully open to judgements and disagreement. In that way, I think he provided a great service to all of us who read his blog, by stimulating discussion of how we approach the mountains.I’ve been following some of the comments in the other threads, and have a few thoughts of my own. While I do think that the dangers of the backcountry can be overblown, I do agree that traveling in terrain with objective hazards does carry a substantial level of risk. Depending on our decisions, that risk can be heightened or lessened, but it will always exist. However, we can never quantify that risk or know the chances of it coming to fruition. In this sense, our perception of the probability of disaster is always only relative, and normalized to our own particular viewpoints. Unfortunately, our viewpoints can easily be skewed by all the times that we get away with risky decisions. The more times that we ride a sketchy slope and survive, the more likely we are to engage in those behaviors yet again. I have to admit that one of my reactions to Steve’s death was to feel pissed off at all of the glorifications of big mountain riding that don’t even remotely mention the safety aspect of the equation. But then I remember that psychologically it is no different from the glorification of wealthy hedge-fund managers without mentioning the associated risk of economic disaster. The cultures might be different, but the human brains involved are the same.I make no claims to be “above” this process, but do my best to be aware of it within myself and to stay vigilant.Our own decision-making, as usual, seems to be the crux of the matter. Beginners make poor decisions because they don’t know any better. Experts make poor decisions because they think they know better. We all make poor decisions at some point. My own strategy to stay safe is to make 80% of my decisions before I even step out my front door, then to leave the other 20% open to interpretation. If there’s been a lot of wind-loading on top of surface hoar, I’ll know that I’m going to stay out of the alpine, no matter what. If the conditions are looking good, I’ll make plans for something big, but always be ready to back off. And if there is a high level of variability, as there is this year, I make my plans based on the sketchiest conditions that I expect to find. I can somewhat mitigate surface slabs, and I can stay away when it’s something more sinister, but what I can’t do is plan for uncertain stability, which is omnipresent this year. The avalanche danger may be moderate right now, but I sure as hell am not going on exposed lines any time soon.I’m fully convinced that there is no magic bullet to decision making except being aware of how our own motivations and inner machinations are affecting our trajectories. As I sometimes tell my friends, the most difficult backcountry trip I can imagine would pale in comparison to the task of understanding my own mind. Unfortunately, it is the mind that is the key to enjoying the conditions, good or bad, and it is the mind that can keep us out of trouble.This year, I have only been into the true alpine once, and that was back in the beginning of February. Once we received our initial dump of snow in November followed by several weeks of cold, dry weather, I knew that I should prepare myself for a dangerous season. It has been so bad, that I went XC skiing for 5 days out in the Methow Valley (which was actually quite fun), and did a rando race at the end of February, which would have been unheard of any other year. I tried my hardest to take advantage of the early Feb weather window in the North Cascades, but backed down when I learned that the freezing levels would be dangerously high. I canceled my plans for a Canada trip this week with the avalanche danger rising through the roof. I’ve had to adapt, adjust, and just be content with waiting and exploring safer areas around here. There still is hope that I can salvage a trip in April/May up to BC/AB or out to the coast, but at this point, all bets are off. It’s okay though, because there will be another day, another year, and another line.Here are a few photos from my only day in the alpine. There’s been some powder, but the instabilities have been consistently lurking and keeping me in the trees or on low-angled slopes.I wish we could be riding lines like these, as we could last year: That’s not to say that I haven’t had any fun. Will in the Bridgers. Even now we’re staying in the trees. It was fifty degrees in the mountains this weekend. So odd. Just chilling in the sunshine That’s all for now. I put a few brief thoughts on Steve’s death here, but there are many more that are more difficult to write about. I will always love big mountain lines, and I don’t know that this accident will change my approach to the mountains. However, it definitely reinforces my desire to stop, think, and critically assess what I’m getting myself into, and why. March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm #653400 acopafeel 134 Postsgood thoughts, good post March 12, 2012 at 6:59 pm #653401 bcrider 4150 PostsThanks for that nomad!So much respect for you. You’re talented on many levels. Great words, great pics, and great post.While I never met Steve or Chris, their passing brought a lot of things into perspective, add fatherhood to mix and it’s an eternal battle to justify some of the things we do and places we go in the mountains. I’ve been toning stuff down over the last few years but still feel the urge that many of us experience. Sometimes the backcountry can feel like the gift and the curse…it’s such an amazing experience but comes with the ultimate risk.Thanks for sticking around over the years too. I’ve seen some of the OG splitboard.com forum members come and go, it’s an honor to see you still contribute. Thanks.Remember this day? 🙂 March 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm #653398 nickstayner 700 PostsThanks Patrick- nice ruminations. Seeing that SoMad picture brought back great memories of the turns we shared last season. So different from our realities this season…. I agree that the most important assessments made this winter deal with the internal. As for the external, all we can do (all we can ever do) is take the information we’re given and the information we gather and use it to make the best decision possible. I like your 80-20 concept too. For what it’s worth, all of our collaborations have been a joy. Maybe this is the year to elevate splitskiing to the next level? March 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm #653399 nomad 288 PostsThanks for the nice words Chris! Yes, I do remember that day… it sure feels like that was a different era, especially just before splitboarding really blew up (okay, it was already getting bigger but now I think the risk calculus has changed). I wish it wasn’t so far to Cali so I could come shred with the OG crew more often. I’ve drooled over your “stock” areas for years!I hope that even though I’m not a dad (at least not yet), I can still make wise decisions. There have been times in the past when I’ve gotten away with poor choices, and even if was an epic line I’ve never felt good about it afterwards. To be honest I get more stoked about your TRs with your kids than some TR from some gnarly line from who knows where. Lines come and go, but it’s the people that we share them with that matters. As you said, BC snowboarding can truly be the gift and the curse, but as time goes on I hope I can appreciate the former more while avoiding the latter.I’m glad that I’ve stuck around even though I’ve been less active, and thanks for giving me the opportunity to do so. Thinking about what I gained from Steve R., I think I’d like to contribute more to this community that’s provided so much, so hopefully I can be a bit more active in the future.Nick – yes!!!! Thanks for the comment. During that rando race I half thought about split-skiing the whole thing. Man, we could take it to the next level. Lycra-wearers watch out!!!! March 12, 2012 at 7:59 pm #653397 Taft 287 Poststhanks for your post nomad.a few things that caught my attention.Unfortunately, our viewpoints can easily be skewed by all the times that we get away with risky decisions. The more times that we ride a sketchy slope and survive, the more likely we are to engage in those behaviors yet again.I think about this a lot. I try hard to be as observant as possible, and some times those observations make me roll the dice. these experiences lead one to the other till you start to think you might know what you doing. I always wonder how many false positives do you get till it bites you in the ass?then again I am a chicken shit.We all make poor decisions at some point. My own strategy to stay safe is to make 80% of my decisions before I even step out my front door, then to leave the other 20% open to interpretation.this is interesting, I operate on the opposite end of the spectrum. I attempt to head out every day with a blank slate and let conditions and observations lead the day. that is not to say that the 20% does not tell me to get into big terrain some days, or stick to the trees on others, but forecasting decision making is not my style. what works for me.great post nomad. thanks again. :thumpsup: March 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm #653396 nickstayner 700 PostsTaft: I might be wrong, but I think nomad’s “80%” refers more to collection of snowpack/weather data from prior weeks, weather forecasts, recent firsthand obs and partner availability to guide his initial decision about what lines/tours could be a good idea rather than being 80% resolute to ski a certain line. March 12, 2012 at 8:41 pm #653402 nomad 288 PostsNick, you’re right. I guess that I mean 80% of my risk reduction occurs before I go out – so if I know that we just had a huge dump on a weak layer, then I will severely limit the areas under consideration. I don’t really think of it as forecasting – perhaps more like using prior information to temper my goals (for all you Bayesian stats geeks out there, how would you put a distribution on that prior? 😉 ). What I shoot for before stepping outside is knowing what to expect, while being open to contraindications. I still use the full range of observational tools when I’m out there to better fill-out my decision matrix.Thanks for the input Taft. One more thing – I probably would lean a little more heavily on within-day observations if I was dealing with a coastal snowpack which can metamorphose and change much more quickly than the continental snowpack out here. March 12, 2012 at 10:49 pm #653403 UTAH 830 PostsIt’s been good reading on this site lately, appreciate all the people who have taken time to share their thoughts.Beginners make poor decisions because they don’t know any better. Experts make poor decisions because they think they know better.Whats the saying ” the more I learn, the less I know”.Lot’s of good stuff and very well written. And yes theres nothing wrong with throwing a little rando into the mix. Meadow skipping is as close to xc as I’ll get but could be fun as well. Right on! Take care. March 12, 2012 at 11:36 pm #653404 UPGRAYEDD_2505 127 PostsGreat post. I appreciate it when people take the time and effort to go beyond ‘stoke’ and delve into the wisdom that can only be gained through experience and reflection. I think that a ‘mountain education’ can make a person wiser the same way that a traditional education or art can, but only if you’re open to it. Easier said than done. Nice pics too. March 13, 2012 at 2:01 am #653405 Kyle Miller 510 PostsPatrick thank you soo much for writing this. The tragedy in the Tetons hit me rather hard as well. You have slayed some killer lines over the years and I always look forward to your trip reports.Cheers to riding another day :guinness: March 13, 2012 at 5:43 am #653406 96avs01 875 Posts @UTAH wrote:It’s been good reading on this site lately, appreciate all the people who have taken time to share their thoughts.couldn’t agree more!very eloquent words nomad, greatly appreciate your time, emotion and effort to post it!be safe out there everyone.165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks 163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s 162 FurbergChris March 13, 2012 at 5:45 pm #653407 dln 146 Postsgreat words and great photos! Thanks nomad. March 14, 2012 at 4:54 pm #653408 jparker 64 PostsWell put Patrick. For me Steve’s death was sad but unfortunately not at all surprising. After reading about more and more close calls I felt like it was only a matter of time. I personally have become less and less interested in the risk of backcountry snowboarding over the last couple of years while it’s popularity has soared. I know how lucky I have been in the past and I know how lucky a lot of people are getting while shredding peaks in powder conditions like nothing bad could ever happen. Bridger Bowl opening saddle peak to hiking really brought that to a point – it seems kind of ridiculous that everyone knows it’s going to slide and kill someone but everyone is still willing to take that risk for a few pow turns. Fortunately that hasn’t quite happened yet, but only because someone got really lucky on their 1500′ ride in an avalanche a month ago or so. I’m no saint either, I certainly have taken chances up there myself. I know Patrick and I have been a pretty good team in the past and have tagged some sick lines with minimal risk, although sometimes we may have pushed it a little bit more than we should. I look forward to riding with him (and Nick) again! It’s been a fun winter for me even without touching any kind of snowboard, I moved to Northern New Jersey and have been mountain biking all winter! Be safe out there everyone! March 15, 2012 at 11:42 pm #653409 nomad 288 PostsJP!!! It’s been too long…I actually was thinking a little while ago that I’m glad you’re in NJ – selfishly I’d rather have you around as a riding partner, but I’m psyched for you to explore all the things that you’d never get from this outdoor-obsessed community. That said, if you ever feel like getting away for a bit, I’d gladly go on a tour with you!Yeah, I still remember that Cali trip as perhaps my favorite, especially because 99% of the risk came from the terrain, with 1% coming from avalanches. Even in spring we don’t get anywhere near that kind of stability around here!After reading about more and more close calls I felt like it was only a matter of time.I had been thinking the same thing myself, unfortunately. Kyle – still one of my favorite TRs of all time was when you turned around a few days into the Picket traverse. Even though you didn’t get the “glory”, I still thought it was rad that you looked at the evidence, weighed your options, and chose the safer path. March 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm #653410 samh 726 Posts @nomad wrote:Our own decision-making, as usual, seems to be the crux of the matter. Beginners make poor decisions because they don’t know any better. Experts make poor decisions because they think they know better. We all make poor decisions at some point.A notion we should never forget.-- samh.net March 18, 2012 at 6:17 am #653411 iriecoyote 291 PostsIn his tribute, Steve’s former boss, Phil Leeds of Skinny Skis gear store, got it right. “Steve didn’t die doing what he loved,” he said, “he lived doing what he loved.”amenhttp://www.backcountrymagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=732&Itemid=52 March 19, 2012 at 5:36 pm #653412 nordicbordn 225 PostsReally unfortunate accident, didnt know either of them, but definitely lurked on tetonAT. such a bad year for avy fatalities this season, too. i know its been said, but its so important to put good judgment and caution before anything. I know, personally, i’m more than lucky as I’ve had too many close calls by stomping around in shit thats way over my head. Viewing 18 posts - 1 through 18 (of 18 total)You must be logged in to reply to this topic.