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- January 6, 2014 at 6:34 pm #579472
Anybody have any good options for 140 mm climbing skins. I bought a new set of voiles but the edge reveal was way too much with my 164 prospector. I brought them back and am back in the market. Voile does not make a 140 mm skin. While i much prefer to stick with the tried and true material and glue of black diamond, it seems getting 140 mm skins from them is tough. I have been looking everywhere for 140 glidelites with no luck. Seem the full nylons are hard to come by in that size too.
The other options are g3 which i would prefer to stay away from. Seen too many glue issues in the field over the years for me to seriously consider them. Im sure their glue has gotten better, but i still see guys with g3s wallowing out every season (already seen it once this year), and the net is rampant with reports of bad glue and skin failures over the years. Think I would prefer to stay with bd as ive had 8 years of nothing but success with the ascension material and glue.
Anybody have a good line on some 140mm bd skins. Cant seem to find em anywhere local or onlineJanuary 6, 2014 at 9:06 pm #674090C balkeParticipant
You could check out skinsdirect.com they may have something for you. I’ve never used them so I can’t speak on their quality. I know you are uncomfortable with g3 but you could try the backcountry.com branded g3’s. They are 140 mm and include clips. They are $134 so you would be saving money over the regular g3’s while you test them out. If you have any issues you could always fall back on backcountry.com’s return policy.January 6, 2014 at 9:30 pm #674091
I hear you on great climbing performance from the Ascensions :headbang:
This year I got the 140 Pomoca CLimb Pros because I want to try more glide. Want to treat with BD glue, though.
If you have the time to look for the BDs – go ahead. Otherwise why not just getting the G3 and using BD glue on them?
By the way, are you skinning up such gnar that you really need super fat skins? I think I’ll be trying a skinnier pair for most of my days, and combine with crampons as needed. If it is too steep I better vert up anyway
IvoJanuary 6, 2014 at 10:00 pm #674092philip.akParticipant
They come up on eBay regularly.January 6, 2014 at 10:04 pm #674093FloImSchneeParticipant
I think I’ll be trying a skinnier pair for most of my days…
Would NEVER do that. (again)
Terrible in switchback-terrain.
I’m using 140mm BD nylon skins, tip loop attached inclined.
Ridiculous, that Voile buys the BD skins with 130mm width! Just too slim for boards with waist above 265mm. (in the past, they offered 140mm)
Otherwise go for G3 High Traction Skins (work fine for several friends, no glue issues. And if, you can still apply BD glue)January 6, 2014 at 10:27 pm #674094
LOL! I try to either countour / go around stuff as much as possible for mellow climbs, or just straight up with high heel lifters.
Not a fan of switchbacks, not because of the switchbacks themselves, but because if you need to do many of these it means you are doing more side-hilling than I like. Maybe I’ll be doing more of this now that I am trying hard bots…
The skinny skins are for mellow terrain – like when I go solo (related to another thread here). I’m still keeping the edge-to-edge BD and Pomoca skins that I have. Plan to buy some old used skins off ebay or gear swap and cut them for skinny skins.
IvoJanuary 7, 2014 at 12:14 am #674095
Re: climbingskinsdirect i tried but those guys are jokers. They are right here in jackson. I didnt like their goofy graphics cause they look like clipart to me so i emailed them to see if i could get any of the older plain blue material….no answer, so then i called, called again and left a message, called a differant number and got voicemail for the owner and left a message, called again a few days later but no response. So i email them like ” hey, do you wanna take my money?” And they finally get back to me offering to sell me couple season old seconds for cheap cause they dont make the material anymore.
I was cool with blems but asked a few questions about the material making sure it was strictly cosmetic, but when i get the emails back all i get is a “just an FYI” rant about how the graphics were done by A “famous local artist” friend of theirs that does these cheesy murals around jackson. She was obviously worked up over it because she added it as a ps after already telling me in in the email. Funny, cause every phone call or email i sent said i didnt like the graphics and was looking for plain colored skin material. It didnt seem that unreasonable to me to not want someones URL plastered across my ski base, obviously it did for them. After being blown off for a week, i was about ready to give up even if the skins were dirt cheap. So i decided screw it, i dont wanna give these people my money. Then, the next morning i get an email from the owner. Hes all “just FYI” the snowflake graphics were licensed from a famous snowflake photographer, and our graphics won best of in backcountry magazine, and people are proud to own artwork by our friend who did the chipmunk graphic cause she has lots of murals around town, and heck the chipmunk pattern is our most popular…..yadda yada yada. And im like really…2 emails over this. You guys blew me off for a week and now all the sudden you want to email me to tell me how sweet your graphics are, even when you have ignored all my other questions about the skins i actually want to buy. Talk about horrible customer service. Glad i figured this out before i gave them any of my money. Guess thats why these guys are still making climbing skins in their garage.
So i said screw it. Ascensions have never once let me down. BD products just work and stand the test of time. They are about the most unglamourous skins out there. They glide the worst, they are the heaviest and bulkiest. However the most important thing for a “climbing skin” to do is stick to your base and climb, and in that regard nothing really compares to the bd. enough so that im going to spent probably 2-3x what i could have bought the csd skins for to get BDs but i dont really care. At the end of the day i just dont wanna be rigging voile straps and duct tape to try and get to the powder.January 7, 2014 at 12:30 am #674096
Also re: skintracks, yes skintracks around jackson are notoriously steep. Crazy rando geeks around here like to go straight up, and i usually just claw my way up stuff rather than set a new track. In addition, there are a few canyons in the alpine around here with big steep headwalls. You need to claw your way up these to get to all the upper canyon lines. If the snow is hard or wind scoured it can be gnarly skinning with serious slide for life for a few hundred feet kinda conditions. If i am traversing across one of those zones i want every bit of carpet i can get. Especially on the edge. the large majority og the pressure on the skin is along the edge when you are actually skinning. As such i dont want that whole inner edge to be bare of skin. If you try and engage the edge into a steep enough sidehill, you will get the baseless area in contact with the snow and you can feel the slip. On my old cambered split with 130 skinns i could feel it sometimes, and those skins had pretty good coverage. The new prospector has a fat taper profile on it and the 130 mm skins leave too much base exposed at the edge for my taste.January 7, 2014 at 12:30 am #674097
Double postJanuary 7, 2014 at 1:09 am #674099
I know what you mean, I once took a long (several hundo feet) slide while sidehilling a steep traverse. The sidecut on my NS Heritage / SL split was too deep and the board middle was unsupported in the air, bent and this released pressure from the tip / tail contact points. Terrain was steep but no cliffs or trees so I was OK, just pissed that I need to climb back up and my partners have to wait for me. If anything, I could have at least enjoyed riding down :thumpsup:
The way I was taught to trim my skins is to leave the edge exposed. Now from you I understand that some people leave no visible uncovered edge at all? I need to research this 🙂
Good luck finding the BDs
IvoJanuary 7, 2014 at 8:41 am #674100FloImSchneeParticipant
…I didnt like their goofy graphics cause they look like clipart…
Seriously, who cares about skin graphics…?
You don’t see them anyway when skinning…January 7, 2014 at 2:54 pm #674098KillclimbzParticipant
Climbing skins direct skins work pretty much like Ascension skins and have good durability. I have a pair of the old blue skins and they are still kicking. Easier to fold up too. The only drawback is that they are bare bones skins. You definitely want to get a tail kit and you might want to add the BD tip loop kit on them too. That drives the price up to that of most other skins.January 9, 2014 at 11:15 pm #674101SwitchBackParticipant
I have a pair of G3 skins. The glue started to become an issue after about 60 tours. I didn’t really consider this a quality issue, and just chalked it up to a lot of use and me not taking the best care of them. Anyway, I bought some of that BD glue that come in a tube, removed most of the old stuff and applied the new glue. Holy shit is that stuff strong! I have probably 50 tours on them between end of last year and this year and the glue is so sticky, the skins are kind of a pain in the ass to use. I have to dig my finger nails really deep to remove them from the skis and I feel like Im going to pull a muscle unsticking them from themselves. They even stick well when damp.
I just picked up a pair of Voile skins and so far I like the G3s better. The grip is a little better with Voile (my G3’s are pretty skinny relative to the ski—trimmed for another split) but the G3 are so much more user friendly (a lot lighter, easier to fold, stickier glue after my mod). Ive abused the crap out of my G3 skins with late and early season conditions since regluing and the material is holding up pretty well considering.
Take it for what its worth.January 11, 2014 at 3:33 am #674102
Well, i ended up just buying a set of 140 ascension nylons. I was all hot on the glidelite, but the guy at the store convinced me that with rocker, steep skin tracks, and dry coarse snow nylon was the answer. In my experience thru 9 winters if using the nylons, he was correct, and it was hard to argue. The glidelites weighed 1/2 lb less, packed doen half the size and looked slightly less goofy with their grey and black print, but they dont grip as well and they are not as durable, and they cost more.
I of course ran into issues doing the mod from ski to split, but it came out decent. First, black diamonds sts is pretty sweet. The rat tail is on the same plane as the skin sandwiched between 2 metal plates. The straps are easily swtichable if you break one with no reriviting, and there is zero bulk at the attachment point. Problem is, bd preinstalls the tails, and cuts 45 degree slices off the corner. Looks like it works good for skis but for my split, i wanted to match the taper. the skin is super long so i cut about the last foot off the end of the skin with the tail attachment. Ill have to drill the rivits out and reinstall it to get it to work wit the spark tail clips. I used a voile skin get the approximate taper angle of the tip clip. The black diamond tip clip is adjustable width wise, but i needed it in the smallest setting, getting the outer loop clip off was tough, but i was able to reset the tip clip to be about the size of a voile. Problem is the black diamond clip is kind of thick and bulky. It looks like it has potential to pack snow between the base and the skin at the front point also because it doesnt lay the skin against the base. The voile tip clips make the skin a bit more trim at the tip. I called voile to see if you could buy their tip clip and they dont sell them, so im forced to work with what i have.
Overall, it feels pretty stupid that i have to resort to diy modding ski skins because of a lack of any wider skin options for splits. We have seen an explosion in the number of splits available, yet we have the same tired skin options…..short and skinny 130mm from voile that climbs great but dont glide for crap, or g3 which has a slightly ghetto rigged ski tip and tail system and suspect glue. On top of that, only g3 offers a 140mm split skin…only one company makes a skin wide enough to fit wider or tapered board or to give wall to wall coverage. Funny, cause i dont see snowboards getting any skinnier lately. If anything, things are getting wider, more tapered, huge noses. We all understand the virtues of wall to wall coverage and why skins for splits arent 120mm… Cause exposed edge sucks. So why arent there any other options on the market? Only way to get around it now is to mcgyver ski skins to work, and thats really not that sweet cause most ski skin attachments suck for splits. Add to that you cant even buy anything like a voile style tip loop and your pretty much sol. 2014 and we are still forced to diy and mod ski gear. Doesnt seem that much progress from 10 years ago. That sucks. Split companies, are u listening? Cause theres 100 new splits out on the market and not enough skin options to work on all of em unless you want to make sacrifices.
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