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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:45 pm 
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This looks interesting, "bulldogs"?
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I can't seem to embed here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef7kUGK35j4&feature=related



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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:11 am 
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fairly simple, seems to meet all the criteria, sounds heavy.

WTF is that contraption?

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:34 am 
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whistlermaverick wrote:
fairly simple, seems to meet all the criteria, sounds heavy.

WTF is that contraption?


That set up looks really heavy. Bomber bails are much heavier than necessary, my Burton RacePlate based bindings weigh 475 each with aluminum pins and titanium bolts. Chris Klug won an Olympic medal racing these bindings (he is a big guy) so I am not worried about their strength. Add the weight of the Voile pucks and the system is still really light, and the thinner bails allow for a little forgiving flex in the binding without the added complexity, weight, and height of an articulated binding.
I really hope Will (Spark) comes through with an Edison based system, but it will be awhile if it happens at all. Until then, I am pretty happy with my set up and Dynafit toe pieces.

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:56 am 
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b0ardski wrote:
This looks interesting, "bulldogs"? skiboard to snowboard conversion binder, definite possibility
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I can't seem to embed here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef7kUGK35j4&feature=related
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It shouldn't take much to give this a tour mode but dynafit would be better


If any one finds any close ups of the mechanism, could they point me in that direction? I'm still in search of the all elusive perfect binding. While searching for more info, I found this hilarious link:

5 Worst Snowboard Inventions
http://www.nonstopsnow.com/blog/stuff-we-like/5462/


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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:17 am 
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Despite the overly heavy bomber bails, that plate and the associated pucks look like a huge improvement over anything currently available.

The fact that bails (any bails) have multiple sizing options along the side; the footprint of the pucks is smaller and requires no pin; and that its as low to the board as a Spark is quite appealing. In fact that side view is exactly like something I proposed to Will a couple season's back.
Whether or not the myriad of HB/SB alternatives showing up recently actually get to market, I'm stoked at all the tinkering that is happening :headbang:

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:38 am 
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Agreed:

"The fact that bails (any bails) have multiple sizing options along the side; the footprint of the pucks is smaller and requires no pin; and that its as low to the board as a Spark is quite appealing. In fact that side view is exactly like something I proposed to Will a couple season's back."

As did I. This is the approach I would recommend to be applied to the Edison plate. Multiple holes along the sides at 1 CM centers, and micro adjust bails for fine tuning. But with 5 mm bails for less weight and better compatibility with Dynafit (short toe and heel ledges) boots. I would also propose built in 2.5-3 degree medial cant (as making this adjustable would add weight, height, and complexity-2.5 to 3 degrees should be workable for anyone). With 1 cm centers on the bail mount points, one would then need 4 mm of adjustment at the bails (by the threaded shoulder mount), to have total boot compatibility and accurate boot centering.
This design, can also be applied to a nice machined plate, compatible with the Voile pucks (as proposed) and could be very lightweight, fully adjustable, and very low to the board (same height as current soft boot bindings).

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:33 pm 
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I suppose you could machine these out to lighten them (are they still produced?). Is shiming for lean necessary? Or can you run hard boots flat? I think this has been asked before but why can't you attach bails on pucks right to the board?


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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:05 pm 
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Zude wrote:
why can't you attach bails on pucks right to the board?


not enough torsional strength.

i like my "power U" design where you have canted pucks, fashion an anti ice plate to the pucks, and you have a aluminum U with bails on it that slides under the pucks.

and a ovalized pin so you slide it in and lock it down, and it pushes the boards together.

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:22 pm 
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In the quest for low cheap light hardboot bindings i came up with this.
Front binding with toe lift, the rear binding would be similar but with heal lift.
Can be made with 5mm or 6 mm bomber bails for karkis like cliff huckersImages.
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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:19 pm 
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What size boots?

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:15 pm 
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Nice work Vapor, :drool: 3#3 per foot, paired with a minimalist carbon fiber tech/dyna style toe for the up could be the future.
All you weight weenies will have to give up your lacey strappy things at this rate.

Still, I do like the idea of 2 quick levers that pull the board halves together like the bulldog configuration but doubt it could be made as light with a metal latch bracket on either half, and stance positioning would be trickier.

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
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b0ardski wrote:
............ paired with a minimalist carbon fiber tech/dyna style toe for the up could be the future.


http://www.sportiva.com/products/ski/bindings/rt-binding

under 90 grams per toe piece

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 Post subject: Re: No pucks, locking splitboard plate binding
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:55 pm 
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Treepilot, I run a 26.5 boot but its actually easier to build these with larger boot sizes.
Threw this together yesterday as i had a bit of time and still working on a few things to get adjustment so its still in the process.
The one drawback is that one size wont fit all and can only be made as a custom plate.


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