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 Post subject: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:07 am 
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Hey

I guess the correct answer to this is "try it and see" but I wanted to hear some thoughts from more experienced splitters and DIYers - I have three weeks until my next snow trip and am not a patient guy!

Although my Light Rails are stiff and light (which is good), I'm not convinced that their design is the best for holding the two halves of a splitboard together as the only contact points are the rails and pucks. the bindings do not touch the topsheet at all and it seems to me that the bindings making contact with the board would improve torsional stiffness, as well as rider feedback through the board.

I was wondering if cutting shims from the slider plate rubber bushings that came with the Voile Universal kit might improve things.
These would be cut to the length and width of the bottoms of the rails and held with epoxy glue.
They are about the right thickness, I may need to remove a little with sandpaper.

Is good, ja?
Or should I just spring for Sparks? :wink:

Something like this:

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:36 am 
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The rubber would cause so much friction you may have a hard time sliding the bindings in place. At least use something slippery like plastic. Maybe a thin film cutting board?

Having the binding hold tight at its center is good, but allowing the board to flex naturally around the binding is also good. I guess I would not trade a theoretical increase in binding stability for a theoretical disruption in flex. Then again, in the real world, the mod would probably not make any difference at all. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:32 pm 
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I would give it a shot, I've been considering trying the same thing with my sparks. Rubber is a good idea so not to scratch the top sheet, maybe try a little tri-flow or another chain lube to help with friction (also works great for really tight pucks)! Keep us updated for sure!

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm 
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The original Spark Iggy's had something similar to furniture slides all along each underside. The material is hard and slick like pucks and they are readily available in many sizes and shapes at any home center.

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:37 pm 
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My concern would be how the setup you describe would deal with a buildup of ice on the board

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:23 pm 
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Thanks guys.
Yeah, it's possible this will have no effect at all. Just tinkering I guess.
The furniture slider idea could be a go, thanks for the suggestion.
As far as icing goes, I use silicon lube spray on my deck and hardware to minimise it. Works ok, not 100% but it helps a lot. I also lube my pucks and rails with base wax. If these don't help then I guess I'll finallly have a use for the little ice scraper tool I got with my Voile kits :)

I'll report back.
Will also keep an eye for any effect on board flex.


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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:55 am 
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Some people run a rod through both climbing brackets to tighten things up.


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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Huh. That's an interesting idea, will have to to look into it some more - cheers for mentioning it man :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Don't waste you time doing the rubber tape thing.
It would come off when the glue freezes and like mentioned earlier probably the buildup would hinder things too.
The Split pin is way easier to do :thumpsup: "Huck Pitueee"
"Stiffens" the board up a bit
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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:06 am 
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^That's nice Adam!!

I just used the old threaded rod.....
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Let us see what you come up with Matt :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:25 pm 
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firstlight wrote:
matt_ha
Don't waste you time doing the rubber tape thing.
It would come off when the glue freezes and like mentioned earlier probably the buildup would hinder things too.
The Split pin is way easier to do :thumpsup: "Huck Pitueee"
"Stiffens" the board up a bit
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http://www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au/splitpins.html


That looks burly. It would be sweet if it had a way to squeeze the board together at that point. The brackets could handle it.


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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:43 pm 
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Going to give the threaded rod and wingnuts a try to test the idea.
Easy to get hold of and easy to cut to length and use.
Should squeeze the board halves together too.

If it works out then it could be fun to try and knock up something lighter.
I'm thinking maybe something involving titanium rod and a bike quick release lever - maybe an easy way to get hold of a lightweight cam for tightening the ends of the rod to pull the board halves together.

I think ugrading to Spark LT brackets would help this. They look more capable of taking lateral pressure than my bent tin Voile brackets.


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 Post subject: Re: Lght Rail idea - thoughts please
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:48 am 
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g_torphins wrote:
^That's nice Adam!!

I just used the old threaded rod.....
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Let us see what you come up with Matt :thumbsup:




Do you feel that the voile touring brackets are strong enough to use to take the extra forces while riding (especially since you use the threading to tighten the set up)? I've only just seen this little trick and I think it's brilliant, but the frame/pin-holes on R&Ds LT Pin System look thicker and stronger than the Voile's metal frame.

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