Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:05 am Posts: 1178 Location: Colorado
Who likes 'em? I have always cut these useless items out of my jackets, they just seem to add weight and unnecessary bulk. Considering that I wear pack, I really do not see a storm skirt adding any function to a jacket. Opinions?
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:53 pm Posts: 112 Location: Mountain Town, BC
I'm with you, man. I really hate the powder skirt. I'd rather use a bib pant to keep snow out of my back than some elastic band that just rides up over my hips anyway. I make a point of looking technical jackets without a skirt. Sadly my new burton coat has one. I don't have the guts to cut it out though, I fear that would void my warranty and I wouldn't be shocked if I have to use it some day. That said though, that useless flapping skin in my coat really just needs a circumcision.
I don't have the guts to cut it out though, I fear that would void my warranty and I wouldn't be shocked if I have to use it some day.
In my experience, the Burton warranty is useless. I've had two blown zippers with [AK] gear and they won't fix it. Burton just sends it back saying that zippers don't count. I say the hell they don't.
As far as the pow skirts go, I bought a minimal mountaineering shell a few years back and never had so much snow down my crack as I did with that one. Some shells and coats come with removable skirts. That's a killer feature and the way to go.
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:09 pm Posts: 624 Location: white room
I've got Sessions pants and jacket. The skirt snaps to the belt loops on the pants. I always use this on pow days at the ski area, does a good job of keeping snow and wind out. In the backcountry, when I have a pack and the jacket is usually only worn on the way down, I don't use the skirt, but don't notice it, either. Unfortunately, it seems like Sessions changes the locations of the belt loops every year, so if you want to use this feature jacket and pants need to be purchased the same season, or do some sewing.
Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 507 Location: Rawesome, BC
I fucking love bibs, can't go back now. I really only wear my jacket for the descent or if it's really storming out & it's short laps I can knock off without overheating, the snow skirt doesn't see much use regardless.
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:51 am Posts: 514 Location: summit, CO
I'm anti-bib. Don't like the straps under my pack straps and they get to damn hot. I do have some marmots with a removable skirt. Never used the bib though.
As far as powder skirts, I'm all for em. Beats having to cinch down the bottom of your jacket like a dorky skier. Keeps the wind and snow out pretty well. On my patagucci jkt, it's loose enough to not ride up too. I use it almost every day, even nice days, just outta habit. I used to have burton pants and jacket and it was nice to snap 'em together.
As far as weight concerns, I bet your pow skirt weighs less than the extra added weight of bibs with straps.
Pow skirt is a must for inbounds and slack country, for long tours when I'm not actually wearing my jacket most of the time I switch over to my Patagonia M10 which is about as simple as it gets. I've been riding Volcom outerwear for a long time and love the zip-together connection between the pants and jacket and now I'm on 686 which uses short straps that button the skirt to the pants. I haven't had snow in my crack in at least 5 years now and that makes me happy.
Joined: Sun May 09, 2010 11:40 am Posts: 40 Location: Whistler, BC
Pow skirt is essential. I always toss my gloves in my jacket while im shooting photos or transitioning, and if my skins are snowy I ride with them in my jacket. The pow skirt keeps everything from falling out... its like one giant pocket.
I have an orage jacket that has button loops that hold the skirt to the belt loops on my pants, but my arcteyrx jacket has nothing to attach to my pants... it rides up. Kind of annoying.
My experience has been that powder skirts don't actually work; I've had plenty of snow get up and under them. Worse, I've found they tend to ride up onto my torso--scooting up, but not back down--which is annoying. My Patagonia hard shell has one; I wish it didn't - I never use it. In my experience bibs are the best way to keep snow out of one's pants.
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I mostly ride Westcomb Revenant bib (removable bib part) w/ full side zippers (can be ventilated) and love it. Also have the same (Westcomb Revenant) hardshell jacket - with removable pow skirt. I don't find it very useful - often have a pack, bib, or both, but haven't thought of removing it. I think I am going to take it out and see if I miss it much... Probably not. I guess I may keep it for non-bib days.
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:03 pm Posts: 220 Location: British Columbia
Got a shell that doesn't have one, seems fine for me so far. Like how it packs up a little smaller. Never tried bibs, but I may pick some up. I just tighten the drawstring a little. I think if your hucking cliffs and pillow lines often, a skirt is useful. But my main tricks are turning the board to the left,then back to the right. No snow up my back from the other day in the duff, and the snow was pretty damn light
Mountain hardware stuff usually has removable ones which is a good option too I think. Wearing a pack also does the trick.